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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 12, 2024 18:23:28 GMT -8
Presuming he didn’t do it of course. Still broken, just different. Yes, but presuming he didn’t do it, I have a hard time with his parents directing him to plea. No way in hell I’d do that if I was confident he didn’t do it. I know innocent people plead to crimes they didn’t commit, but no way I could tell my son to plead to a sex crime. Yes, he may get convicted, but I’d want to fight for his innocence. Agree. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 12, 2024 21:01:53 GMT -8
I’ve always felt the real tragedy was how messed-up and toxic the Heimlich family dynamic was. One side hell-bent on vengeance against the other and LH. They’re the ones who enlisted the Oregonian into their vendetta. And the O was happy to oblige. But it all tracks back to that broken family. The O tracked down the sister-in-law, not the other way around. A lot of the "story" that follows gets less coherent. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 13, 2024 7:59:13 GMT -8
I’ve always felt the real tragedy was how messed-up and toxic the Heimlich family dynamic was. One side hell-bent on vengeance against the other and LH. They’re the ones who enlisted the Oregonian into their vendetta. And the O was happy to oblige. But it all tracks back to that broken family. The O tracked down the sister-in-law, not the other way around. A lot of the "story" that follows gets less coherent. Right ...if iirc, it was an error by Benton Co that caused the whole thing to initially come to light. He was 18, and no longer required to file with the county, or whatever, and they went after him for not filing.....never should've happened, legally. Can't remember how the O caught wind initially..... I have no idea if he ever sued, or how that all went. Seems to me he had legitimate cause to be compensated in some way. |
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Post by fishwrapper on Mar 13, 2024 9:40:23 GMT -8
Can we not give BT the oxygen of attention? And can we be done re-litigating something which, as has been pointed out, no longer even exists? I think we can all agree that the timing of events handed LH the sh!tty end of the stick, but four pages worth?
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 13, 2024 10:02:45 GMT -8
Can we not give BT the oxygen of attention? And can we be done re-litigating something which, as has been pointed out, no longer even exists? I think we can all agree that the timing of events handed LH the sh!tty end of the stick, but four pages worth? Not to nit-pick, but this is the off season, and this is the Rotating Tap. And finally, LH did not garner four pages worth - just a page and a half. And, unlike earlier threads a few years ago, I thought the comments overall were much more brief, and much more thoughtful and reasoned. Do you work for the little o, since that is the only common denominator here, except BT and LH having a connection to OSU?  |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 13, 2024 10:25:46 GMT -8
Can we not give BT the oxygen of attention? And can we be done re-litigating something which, as has been pointed out, no longer even exists? I think we can all agree that the timing of events handed LH the sh!tty end of the stick, but four pages worth? Not to nit-pick, but this is the off season, and this is the Rotating Tap. And finally, LH did not garner four pages worth - just a page and a half. And, unlike earlier threads a few years ago, I thought the comments overall were much more brief, and much more thoughtful and reasoned. Do you work for the little o, since that is the only common denominator here, except BT and LH having a connection to OSU? Interesting... fishwrapper is slang for printed journalism media. I'd always been thinking along the lines of him living over on the coast. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 13, 2024 10:33:54 GMT -8
Can we not give BT the oxygen of attention? And can we be done re-litigating something which, as has been pointed out, no longer even exists? I think we can all agree that the timing of events handed LH the sh!tty end of the stick, but four pages worth? Doubt it. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 13, 2024 10:42:20 GMT -8
Can we not give BT the oxygen of attention? And can we be done re-litigating something which, as has been pointed out, no longer even exists? I think we can all agree that the timing of events handed LH the sh!tty end of the stick, but four pages worth? Doubt it. Ha ha - nothing to see here, move along to the next shiny object!  |
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Post by fishwrapper on Mar 13, 2024 10:53:17 GMT -8
Can we not give BT the oxygen of attention? And can we be done re-litigating something which, as has been pointed out, no longer even exists? I think we can all agree that the timing of events handed LH the sh!tty end of the stick, but four pages worth? Not to nit-pick, but this is the off season, and this is the Rotating Tap. And finally, LH did not garner four pages worth - just a page and a half. And, unlike earlier threads a few years ago, I thought the comments overall were much more brief, and much more thoughtful and reasoned. Do you work for the little o, since that is the only common denominator here, except BT and LH having a connection to OSU? Yes, the "fishwrapper" moniker intends the press connection...to presses long ago in my lifetime and far away from here. My only connection to any PDX-based rag is as a reader. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 13, 2024 12:13:24 GMT -8
The O tracked down the sister-in-law, not the other way around. A lot of the "story" that follows gets less coherent. Right ...if iirc, it was an error by Benton Co that caused the whole thing to initially come to light. He was 18, and no longer required to file with the county, or whatever, and they went after him for not filing.....never should've happened, legally. Can't remember how the O caught wind initially..... I have no idea if he ever sued, or how that all went. Seems to me he had legitimate cause to be compensated in some way. I forget the term that tripped everyone up, but I want to say that it was something along the line of "citizen." Every citizen of Benton County, who was younger than 21 had to file as a registered sex offender in Benton County, when they turned 21 (or something along those lines). Heimlich resided in Oregon, but he had to intend to remain after graduating from school to be a "citizen." And Heimlich did not intend to remain. But the County could not know that unless they talked to Heimlich first. Heimlich could have went to the County ahead of time to make sure that there would be no problem. But he did not. Thus, it was up to the County to guess whether Heimlich was a citizen or not. And you should never leave something so stupid important up to a poor apparatchik , who is just trying to do his/her job. The County did there job there. And the issue was rightly dismissed by the Court. However, because of the court date, it popped up on a background check that the Oregonian did on Heimlich. There were a ton of mistakes here. Heimlich should never have been talking to the media until August 2021, when his original court case was sealed and his record was expunged. It was stupid to put Heimlich in that situation. Then, when the Oregonian got wind of the issue, Heimlich could have shut it down with a rehearsed answer. Instead he stonewalled them and had the university circle the wagons, which only made the Oregonian more curious. So, they tracked down Heimlich's sister-in-law, who believed that Heimlich did what her daughter said that he did and told the Oregonian as much. Because the case was not yet sealed in Washington, the Oregonian was able to get portions of Heimlich's criminal file and everything snowballed from there. I do not fault the county, because of what happened to poor Brooke Wilberger. The son-of-a b#*ch who killed her only pled less than 10 years before. The County went into overdrive, tracking down sex offenders as a result. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 13, 2024 13:20:31 GMT -8
Right ...if iirc, it was an error by Benton Co that caused the whole thing to initially come to light. He was 18, and no longer required to file with the county, or whatever, and they went after him for not filing.....never should've happened, legally. Can't remember how the O caught wind initially..... I have no idea if he ever sued, or how that all went. Seems to me he had legitimate cause to be compensated in some way. I forget the term that tripped everyone up, but I want to say that it was something along the line of "citizen." Every citizen of Benton County, who was younger than 21 had to file as a registered sex offender in Benton County, when they turned 21 (or something along those lines). Heimlich resided in Oregon, but he had to intend to remain after graduating from school to be a "citizen." And Heimlich did not intend to remain. But the County could not know that unless they talked to Heimlich first. Heimlich could have went to the County ahead of time to make sure that there would be no problem. But he did not. Thus, it was up to the County to guess whether Heimlich was a citizen or not. And you should never leave something so stupid important up to a poor apparatchik , who is just trying to do his/her job. The County did there job there. And the issue was rightly dismissed by the Court. However, because of the court date, it popped up on a background check that the Oregonian did on Heimlich. There were a ton of mistakes here. Heimlich should never have been talking to the media until August 2021, when his original court case was sealed and his record was expunged. It was stupid to put Heimlich in that situation. Then, when the Oregonian got wind of the issue, Heimlich could have shut it down with a rehearsed answer. Instead he stonewalled them and had the university circle the wagons, which only made the Oregonian more curious. So, they tracked down Heimlich's sister-in-law, who believed that Heimlich did what her daughter said that he did and told the Oregonian as much. Because the case was not yet sealed in Washington, the Oregonian was able to get portions of Heimlich's criminal file and everything snowballed from there. I do not fault the county, because of what happened to poor Brooke Wilberger. The son-of-a b#*ch who killed her only pled less than 10 years before. The County went into overdrive, tracking down sex offenders as a result. Thanks for the detail Wilky. Just a really sad story all the way around. |
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Post by beavdowg on Mar 17, 2024 8:57:33 GMT -8
Got to give Mel credit if he lasted 30 minutes. 75 million because she didn't know how to hang up a phone. That’s funny, man! Still chuckling in airport!  |
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 17, 2024 11:19:43 GMT -8
Presuming he didn’t do it of course. Still broken, just different. Yes, but presuming he didn’t do it, I have a hard time with his parents directing him to plea. No way in hell I’d do that if I was confident he didn’t do it. I know innocent people plead to crimes they didn’t commit, but no way I could tell my son to plead to a sex crime. Yes, he may get convicted, but I’d want to fight for his innocence. It is really easy to have this opinion when you are not the ones getting the hard pressure from prosecutors saying you are going to jail for life or some s%#t like that. I think we all want to sit here and think we'd fight no matter what. It just doesn't turn out that way all the time. You are facing years and years in jail, or... you get this offer that you plea out, write a little paper, meet with a counsellor, keep your nose clean and nobody ever knows, your record is expunged, it will never hurt you... Of course it didn't happen that way in the end. Innocent people take plea deals every day in this country. that is a stone cold fact. Our justice system cares little for the collateral damage, just as long as no guilty person every goes free, they will throw as many innocent people behind bars as they have to in order to make sure. And the problem is more people agree, because they can't ever possibly imagine they will be the ones facing a false accusation. It should, of course, be the other way around. however many guilty people that need to walk free, should, in order to make sure an innocent person is never imprisoned. Nothing on this planet is more precious than our personal freedom and liberty, and our justice system plays far too carelessly with that. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 17, 2024 11:59:14 GMT -8
Right ...if iirc, it was an error by Benton Co that caused the whole thing to initially come to light. He was 18, and no longer required to file with the county, or whatever, and they went after him for not filing.....never should've happened, legally. Can't remember how the O caught wind initially..... I have no idea if he ever sued, or how that all went. Seems to me he had legitimate cause to be compensated in some way. I forget the term that tripped everyone up, but I want to say that it was something along the line of "citizen." Every citizen of Benton County, who was younger than 21 had to file as a registered sex offender in Benton County, when they turned 21 (or something along those lines). Heimlich resided in Oregon, but he had to intend to remain after graduating from school to be a "citizen." And Heimlich did not intend to remain. But the County could not know that unless they talked to Heimlich first. Heimlich could have went to the County ahead of time to make sure that there would be no problem. But he did not. Thus, it was up to the County to guess whether Heimlich was a citizen or not. And you should never leave something so stupid important up to a poor apparatchik , who is just trying to do his/her job. The County did there job there. And the issue was rightly dismissed by the Court. However, because of the court date, it popped up on a background check that the Oregonian did on Heimlich. There were a ton of mistakes here. Heimlich should never have been talking to the media until August 2021, when his original court case was sealed and his record was expunged. It was stupid to put Heimlich in that situation. Then, when the Oregonian got wind of the issue, Heimlich could have shut it down with a rehearsed answer. Instead he stonewalled them and had the university circle the wagons, which only made the Oregonian more curious. So, they tracked down Heimlich's sister-in-law, who believed that Heimlich did what her daughter said that he did and told the Oregonian as much. Because the case was not yet sealed in Washington, the Oregonian was able to get portions of Heimlich's criminal file and everything snowballed from there. I do not fault the county, because of what happened to poor Brooke Wilberger. The son-of-a b#*ch who killed her only pled less than 10 years before. The County went into overdrive, tracking down sex offenders as a result. I can't remember if his voter registration status was ever brought up. I could see the county considering him a "citizen" if he ever registered here. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 17, 2024 14:34:27 GMT -8
I forget the term that tripped everyone up, but I want to say that it was something along the line of "citizen." Every citizen of Benton County, who was younger than 21 had to file as a registered sex offender in Benton County, when they turned 21 (or something along those lines). Heimlich resided in Oregon, but he had to intend to remain after graduating from school to be a "citizen." And Heimlich did not intend to remain. But the County could not know that unless they talked to Heimlich first. Heimlich could have went to the County ahead of time to make sure that there would be no problem. But he did not. Thus, it was up to the County to guess whether Heimlich was a citizen or not. And you should never leave something so stupid important up to a poor apparatchik , who is just trying to do his/her job. The County did there job there. And the issue was rightly dismissed by the Court. However, because of the court date, it popped up on a background check that the Oregonian did on Heimlich. There were a ton of mistakes here. Heimlich should never have been talking to the media until August 2021, when his original court case was sealed and his record was expunged. It was stupid to put Heimlich in that situation. Then, when the Oregonian got wind of the issue, Heimlich could have shut it down with a rehearsed answer. Instead he stonewalled them and had the university circle the wagons, which only made the Oregonian more curious. So, they tracked down Heimlich's sister-in-law, who believed that Heimlich did what her daughter said that he did and told the Oregonian as much. Because the case was not yet sealed in Washington, the Oregonian was able to get portions of Heimlich's criminal file and everything snowballed from there. I do not fault the county, because of what happened to poor Brooke Wilberger. The son-of-a b#*ch who killed her only pled less than 10 years before. The County went into overdrive, tracking down sex offenders as a result. I can't remember if his voter registration status was ever brought up. I could see the county considering him a "citizen" if he ever registered here. I am not sure that he was allowed to vote in Oregon. Oregon's laws are very harsh on juveniles who admit to what would be felonies in Oregon over the age of 15. |
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