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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 9, 2024 15:19:32 GMT -8
Here is an idea to chew on - when you are a registered sex offender, it is the law you have to report your presence, background to authorities, in many jurisdictions/ states. And, the PR campaign as we speak is to self identify to your partner if you have Acquired Immune Deficiency. So, why not have a law that says if you are a serial accuser/ alleged victim of sexual harassment, you have to identify this to anyone you might have a relationship with? I mean, Mel Tucker should have known Brenda Tracy's background, but maybe he was too busy being a coach and living life? Just a thought  Your whole point relies on Tracy not being raped by 4 OSU football players. No, my whole point is based on someone being a serial accuser. I was not commenting on whether or not the OSU players were guilty of the accusations. But, as judge pointed out, those players were not officially proven guilty. Accusations are always easy to make, harder to prove. Mel Tucker should have known better - but as has been already pointed out, she could have taken steps to create a better outcome as well. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 9, 2024 16:43:52 GMT -8
Here is an idea to chew on - when you are a registered sex offender, it is the law you have to report your presence, background to authorities, in many jurisdictions/ states. And, the PR campaign as we speak is to self identify to your partner if you have Acquired Immune Deficiency. So, why not have a law that says if you are a serial accuser/ alleged victim of sexual harassment, you have to identify this to anyone you might have a relationship with? I mean, Mel Tucker should have known Brenda Tracy's background, but maybe he was too busy being a coach and living life? Just a thought Your whole point relies on Tracy not being raped by 4 OSU football players. Please show me where anyone was convicted of rape, much less went to trial, on her accusations. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 9, 2024 17:38:27 GMT -8
Your whole point relies on Tracy not being raped by 4 OSU football players. Or were even charged. And how did the civil suit turn out? |
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 9, 2024 18:27:57 GMT -8
Your whole point relies on Tracy not being raped by 4 OSU football players. Please show me where anyone was convicted of rape, much less went to trial, on her accusations. Frankly don’t remember wtf happened and wish that BT would just go away. Seems like Mike Riley believed her? |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Mar 9, 2024 18:51:14 GMT -8
Please show me where anyone was convicted of rape, much less went to trial, on her accusations. Frankly don’t remember wtf happened and wish that BT would just go away. Seems like Mike Riley believed her? Didn't seem to believe her when it happened. Made a show of it later, maybe he believed, maybe lawyers recommended a solution to make it go away. It must have helped her Consulting business considerably having saint Riley vouching for her. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 11, 2024 7:28:41 GMT -8
Please show me where anyone was convicted of rape, much less went to trial, on her accusations. Or were even charged. And how did the civil suit turn out? So no charges, and the civil suit was thrown out? I honestly never really looked into that story and kind of assumed it all happened......that was the narrative in the media. Canzano really got some mileage out of it......didn't he bring her around when he was calling for rope, and pitchfork for Heimlich? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 11, 2024 7:43:52 GMT -8
Or were even charged. And how did the civil suit turn out? So no charges, and the civil suit was thrown out? I honestly never really looked into that story and kind of assumed it all happened......that was the narrative in the media. Canzano really got some mileage out of it......didn't he bring her around when he was calling for rope, and pitchfork for Heimlich? I am sure if someone did a deep dive into his closet, we would find things that we would not like - and he would be embarrassed about. It usually works that way with people that are quick to accuse others, and throw rocks.
So, instead of a shot at a true professional career, LH now builds homes and works in construction, and has a clean criminal record - and has had since the hit piece by the Oregonian. I am sure the editorial board is proud, having protected society from the likes of LH  . |
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Post by hometownbeaver on Mar 12, 2024 10:59:57 GMT -8
So no charges, and the civil suit was thrown out? I honestly never really looked into that story and kind of assumed it all happened......that was the narrative in the media. Canzano really got some mileage out of it......didn't he bring her around when he was calling for rope, and pitchfork for Heimlich? I am sure if someone did a deep dive into his closet, we would find things that we would not like - and he would be embarrassed about. It usually works that way with people that are quick to accuse others, and throw rocks.
So, instead of a shot at a true professional career, LH now builds homes and works in construction, and has a clean criminal record - and has had since the hit piece by the Oregonian. I am sure the editorial board is proud, having protected society from the likes of LH . I am still to this day more angry about how LH got screwed then anything else beaver related over the years. JS was a bi*#$ but If I could change one thing I rather LH never get screwed the way he did. f%#*ing Japan and Mexico both kicked him off teams they f%#*ed him for the rest of his life. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 12, 2024 11:12:06 GMT -8
I am sure if someone did a deep dive into his closet, we would find things that we would not like - and he would be embarrassed about. It usually works that way with people that are quick to accuse others, and throw rocks.
So, instead of a shot at a true professional career, LH now builds homes and works in construction, and has a clean criminal record - and has had since the hit piece by the Oregonian. I am sure the editorial board is proud, having protected society from the likes of LH . I am still to this day more angry about how LH got screwed then anything else beaver related over the years. JS was a bi*#$ but If I could change one thing I rather LH never get screwed the way he did. f%#*ing Japan and Mexico both kicked him off teams they f%#*ed him for the rest of his life. Agreed. Access to a MLB club does not guarantee success. But, for him to be treated like a pariah for something that shortly thereafter did not exist (record was expunged) is just BS. Clownzano and the the fish wrapper did not care. It was all about click bait, baby. He would not have been in the program if Pat Casey and the rest of the staff and team did not believe in him. He did everything that was asked of him, both on and off of the field. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 12, 2024 15:09:43 GMT -8
I am sure if someone did a deep dive into his closet, we would find things that we would not like - and he would be embarrassed about. It usually works that way with people that are quick to accuse others, and throw rocks.
So, instead of a shot at a true professional career, LH now builds homes and works in construction, and has a clean criminal record - and has had since the hit piece by the Oregonian. I am sure the editorial board is proud, having protected society from the likes of LH . I am still to this day more angry about how LH got screwed then anything else beaver related over the years. JS was a bi*#$ but If I could change one thing I rather LH never get screwed the way he did. f%#*ing Japan and Mexico both kicked him off teams they f%#*ed him for the rest of his life. Personally, I enjoyed winning the 2018 National Championship. I think that LH got hosed after graduating, but there is no 2018 National Championship without LH. And I would hate to have it lost that LH only stays, because the Oregonian came out with the article. I personally think that LH handled the situation about as poorly as one can handle the situation. You cannot write, "I have taken responsibility for my conduct when I was a teenager," and then later go on to deny that there was any criminal conduct. You lied somewhere in that chain of events. And if you lied somewhere in that chain, you deserve people to believe that you lied in the worst way. You either write what you wrote and let that be the end of it. Or you say that it was garbage from the beginning. Both positions are mutually exclusive and you cannot switch halfway through without everyone rightly assuming the absolute worst. Having said the foregoing, I tend to agree that the Oregonian took a smoldering fire and decided to poor gasoline on the whole thing. But that is what newspapers often do. It is like being mad at a snake for being a snake. The snake cannot help it. It is a snake. The brood of vipers that was at the Oregonian is like several other nests nationwide. Also, LH never tried to play in Japan or South Korea for that matter. He tried to play in China, but the Chinese Professional Baseball League would not permit an American with a criminal record to play in China, even if the criminal record was "sealed" after the fact. The American-Mexican Tecolotes de los Dos Laredos did not kick LH off of the team. COVID-19 wiped out the 2020 season and then LH never reported. COVID-19 came at a bad time for LH. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 12, 2024 16:03:49 GMT -8
I am still to this day more angry about how LH got screwed then anything else beaver related over the years. JS was a bi*#$ but If I could change one thing I rather LH never get screwed the way he did. f%#*ing Japan and Mexico both kicked him off teams they f%#*ed him for the rest of his life. Personally, I enjoyed winning the 2018 National Championship. I think that LH got hosed after graduating, but there is no 2018 National Championship without LH. And I would hate to have it lost that LH only stays, because the Oregonian came out with the article. I personally think that LH handled the situation about as poorly as one can handle the situation. You cannot write, "I have taken responsibility for my conduct when I was a teenager," and then later go on to deny that there was any criminal conduct. You lied somewhere in that chain of events. And if you lied somewhere in that chain, you deserve people to believe that you lied in the worst way. You either write what you wrote and let that be the end of it. Or you say that it was garbage from the beginning. Both positions are mutually exclusive and you cannot switch halfway through without everyone rightly assuming the absolute worst. Having said the foregoing, I tend to agree that the Oregonian took a smoldering fire and decided to poor gasoline on the whole thing. But that is what newspapers often do. It is like being mad at a snake for being a snake. The snake cannot help it. It is a snake. The brood of vipers that was at the Oregonian is like several other nests nationwide. Also, LH never tried to play in Japan or South Korea for that matter. He tried to play in China, but the Chinese Professional Baseball League would not permit an American with a criminal record to play in China, even if the criminal record was "sealed" after the fact.The American-Mexican Tecolotes de los Dos Laredos did not kick LH off of the team. COVID-19 wiped out the 2020 season and then LH never reported. COVID-19 came at a bad time for LH. Now that I have stopped chuckling, considering the conduct of the country in question, I will just say that by the time he tried to play, his record was not "sealed", but expunged - like it never happened. Completely clean record.
I agree he chose his words poorly, but I do not think he was necessarily lying with either statement. I think he misspoke. What he should have said, and would have been accurate as I understand it is "I have followed legal counsel and done everything I have been asked to do to restore my good name and reputation, having been accused of something I did not do". "For the good of my family, I plead out, instead fighting the charge and putting everyone in my family through hell"
But hey, we all read the long threads on this topic when it happened, and very quickly, two camps emerged. Those who believed LH was railroaded and given bad advice, and those that thought he was guilty and trying to hide something bad. Maybe time has changed some minds - maybe not. All I will say is, many on this board trust Pat Casey, and his judgement. He had confidence in LH, and did not hesitate to make him a part of the team.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 12, 2024 16:04:51 GMT -8
I’ve always felt the real tragedy was how messed-up and toxic the Heimlich family dynamic was. One side hell-bent on vengeance against the other and LH. They’re the ones who enlisted the Oregonian into their vendetta. And the O was happy to oblige.
But it all tracks back to that broken family.
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 12, 2024 16:07:10 GMT -8
I’ve always felt the real tragedy was how messed-up the Heimlich family dynamic was. One side hell-bent on vengeance against LH. They’re the ones who enlisted the Oregonian into their vendetta. And the O was happy to oblige. But it all tracks back to that broken family. Probably why his LinkedIn profile does not even mention baseball, and he now lives in Wisconsin  |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 12, 2024 16:36:28 GMT -8
I’ve always felt the real tragedy was how messed-up and toxic the Heimlich family dynamic was. One side hell-bent on vengeance against the other and LH. They’re the ones who enlisted the Oregonian into their vendetta. And the O was happy to oblige. But it all tracks back to that broken family. Presuming he didn’t do it of course. Still broken, just different. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 12, 2024 17:06:54 GMT -8
I’ve always felt the real tragedy was how messed-up and toxic the Heimlich family dynamic was. One side hell-bent on vengeance against the other and LH. They’re the ones who enlisted the Oregonian into their vendetta. And the O was happy to oblige. But it all tracks back to that broken family. Presuming he didn’t do it of course. Still broken, just different. Yes, but presuming he didn’t do it, I have a hard time with his parents directing him to plea. No way in hell I’d do that if I was confident he didn’t do it. I know innocent people plead to crimes they didn’t commit, but no way I could tell my son to plead to a sex crime. Yes, he may get convicted, but I’d want to fight for his innocence. |
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