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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 26, 2024 19:07:18 GMT -8
It may not feel like it, but Oregon State's three-point defense statistically is one of the best in the country. It seems like it is very good, but, when it is bad, it is awful. The only other statistic that Oregon State does comparably well in is free throw shooting. KC looked like that shot to his mouth against Cal hurt him bad, and he got hit in the mouth against Stanford, which cannot help. Chol stepped up well, though. Oregon State won the rebounding battle 37-22! That is the first time that Oregon State had a rebounding advantage of more than one since Arizona State, another win. The time before that was USC, a third win. (Arizona won the rebound battle, but 60% three-point shooting fixes a lot of problems.) Before that was Idaho State, Utah Valley, Cal Poly, and Davis. (UTSA won the rebound battle, but Oregon State had its third-best three-point shooting night: [1] Arizona, [2] USC, and [3] UTSA.) The only other time that Oregon State won the rebounding battle by more than one was Linfield. Oregon State won the rebound battle against Appy State 39-38, exactly one. Troy outrebounded Oregon State, but the Beavs won it with defense. When was the last time that Oregon State was more experienced than an opponent? 2022? It seems like it has been awhile. I wanted to add, because I did not include it in my previous post, but Dexter Akanno is a great defender. It is just that he almost always has to neutralize the other team's best guard. Center play has been poor. KC is still at least a year away and Chol is mediocre at his best in most games. If you could keep Bilodeau, Pope, and Rataj around for another season, Oregon State could be a force in the West Coast Conference. Hopefully, it all clicks for KC or NDong. And a senior Akanno. The Beavs could be quite the team next year. Is Dexter not already a senior? I could've sworn this was his COVID year of eligibility being it's his 3rd with OSU. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 26, 2024 19:14:42 GMT -8
I wanted to add, because I did not include it in my previous post, but Dexter Akanno is a great defender. It is just that he almost always has to neutralize the other team's best guard. Center play has been poor. KC is still at least a year away and Chol is mediocre at his best in most games. If you could keep Bilodeau, Pope, and Rataj around for another season, Oregon State could be a force in the West Coast Conference. Hopefully, it all clicks for KC or NDong. And a senior Akanno. The Beavs could be quite the team next year. Is Dexter not already a senior? I could've sworn this was his COVID year of eligibility being it's his 3rd with OSU. It was my understanding that Dexter transferred here as a redshirt freshman, four to play four. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 26, 2024 19:41:36 GMT -8
Is Dexter not already a senior? I could've sworn this was his COVID year of eligibility being it's his 3rd with OSU. It was my understanding that Dexter transferred here as a redshirt freshman, four to play four. He attended Marquette for two seasons... RS and played one. This is his 4th season playing, in 5. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 26, 2024 20:14:48 GMT -8
It was my understanding that Dexter transferred here as a redshirt freshman, four to play four. He attended Marquette for two seasons... RS and played one. This is his 4th season playing, in 5. Yes, but I still think he has a Covid year, if he wants it. |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 26, 2024 20:48:37 GMT -8
I stan for Dexter. Dude plays his ass off.
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Post by steinlager on Feb 26, 2024 21:27:34 GMT -8
Dexter took it to the hoop with authority in the second half for baskets or fouls when no one on the Beavs could hit a shot. Somebody had to spark the offense and he did what was necessary to get momentum going again.
He certainly gets after it when he's on the court.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 26, 2024 22:14:37 GMT -8
He attended Marquette for two seasons... RS and played one. This is his 4th season playing, in 5. Yes, but I still think he has a Covid year, if he wants it. Everything I've read says he has the covid year if he wants it. Early on it sounded in one article like he was likely graduated and moving on. I'm not planning on him coming back, but it would be nice. |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 26, 2024 22:39:49 GMT -8
Yes, but I still think he has a Covid year, if he wants it. Everything I've read says he has the covid year if he wants it. Early on it sounded in one article like he was likely graduated and moving on. I'm not planning on him coming back, but it would be nice. If this is the case then maybe if the core sticks together and he sees a chance to play in the NCAAs (skewer me, I can take it), then just maybe he'd consider it. I know Dex in the past has been vocal about how much he likes the guys he's played with these last two years, so if the stars align then I could see him giving it another go. This also probably involves Wayne being retained though as well. If WT is gone, he's also gone (either done playing or transfer), and so too are probably all or most of the "big 3" in the sophomore class. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 26, 2024 23:15:18 GMT -8
I guess I'm not sure why the worry about players leaving WT at OSU or not??
First, there is no guarantee who stays in any situation. WT has no special bond that other coaches don't. It's how it is now.
Second, if WT isn't the issue, the players are. Just have to look at what they've accomplished as a group. Some here expected some big jump this season. Nope. So, it's a sure thing there will be next under the same system?
Next, if it is WT, then maybe some players want a fresh start, under a new system, and new league. It's no different than a transfer, but in staying they know the school, their friends are here, and they know all their credits are in play.
In either case, as if now there is no recruiting class for next year. So, a new coach might actually be ahead of the game in that regard... players follow, recruits or in the portal.
But... why fret too much? It's not in WT's control, and as fans we just have to ride along and see what happens.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 27, 2024 11:43:10 GMT -8
I guess I'm not sure why the worry about players leaving WT at OSU or not?? First, there is no guarantee who stays in any situation. WT has no special bond that other coaches don't. It's how it is now. Second, if WT isn't the issue, the players are. Just have to look at what they've accomplished as a group. Some here expected some big jump this season. Nope. So, it's a sure thing there will be next under the same system? Next, if it is WT, then maybe some players want a fresh start, under a new system, and new league. It's no different than a transfer, but in staying they know the school, their friends are here, and they know all their credits are in play. In either case, as if now there is no recruiting class for next year. So, a new coach might actually be ahead of the game in that regard... players follow, recruits or in the portal. But... why fret too much? It's not in WT's control, and as fans we just have to ride along and see what happens. Pope seems to make it a point to talk up the coaching staff in all of his interviews. Pope seems like he buys in to Tinkle. I think that he is 100% gone, if WT is gone. And I would guess that pretty much everyone else is as well. I believe that the choices are one more ride with WT next year, or a garbage fire with a new coach next year. But that is just how I read the tea leaves. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 27, 2024 12:18:18 GMT -8
It may not feel like it, but Oregon State's three-point defense statistically is one of the best in the country. It seems like it is very good, but, when it is bad, it is awful. The only other statistic that Oregon State does comparably well in is free throw shooting. KC looked like that shot to his mouth against Cal hurt him bad, and he got hit in the mouth against Stanford, which cannot help. Chol stepped up well, though. Oregon State won the rebounding battle 37-22! That is the first time that Oregon State had a rebounding advantage of more than one since Arizona State, another win. The time before that was USC, a third win. (Arizona won the rebound battle, but 60% three-point shooting fixes a lot of problems.) Before that was Idaho State, Utah Valley, Cal Poly, and Davis. (UTSA won the rebound battle, but Oregon State had its third-best three-point shooting night: [1] Arizona, [2] USC, and [3] UTSA.) The only other time that Oregon State won the rebounding battle by more than one was Linfield. Oregon State won the rebound battle against Appy State 39-38, exactly one. Troy outrebounded Oregon State, but the Beavs won it with defense. When was the last time that Oregon State was more experienced than an opponent? 2022? It seems like it has been awhile. I wanted to add, because I did not include it in my previous post, but Dexter Akanno is a great defender. It is just that he almost always has to neutralize the other team's best guard. Center play has been poor. KC is still at least a year away and Chol is mediocre at his best in most games. If you could keep Bilodeau, Pope, and Rataj around for another season, Oregon State could be a force in the West Coast Conference. Hopefully, it all clicks for KC or NDong. And a senior Akanno. The Beavs could be quite the team next year. Curious as to when you say a force in the WCC what that equates to in conference record and standings position. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 27, 2024 12:40:04 GMT -8
I guess I'm not sure why the worry about players leaving WT at OSU or not?? First, there is no guarantee who stays in any situation. WT has no special bond that other coaches don't. It's how it is now. Second, if WT isn't the issue, the players are. Just have to look at what they've accomplished as a group. Some here expected some big jump this season. Nope. So, it's a sure thing there will be next under the same system? Next, if it is WT, then maybe some players want a fresh start, under a new system, and new league. It's no different than a transfer, but in staying they know the school, their friends are here, and they know all their credits are in play. In either case, as if now there is no recruiting class for next year. So, a new coach might actually be ahead of the game in that regard... players follow, recruits or in the portal. But... why fret too much? It's not in WT's control, and as fans we just have to ride along and see what happens. Pope seems to make it a point to talk up the coaching staff in all of his interviews. Pope seems like he buys in to Tinkle. I think that he is 100% gone, if WT is gone. And I would guess that pretty much everyone else is as well. I believe that the choices are one more ride with WT next year, or a garbage fire with a new coach next year. But that is just how I read the tea leaves. So now in your desire to keep tinkle we have to keep him or pretty much every player will leave. If the new coach has the ability he will bring in a better group of players over time. Last I checked the current coaching staff and players have us in last place. I'm willing to bet a new coach and maybe some new players can't get us lower. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 27, 2024 13:25:01 GMT -8
Pope seems to make it a point to talk up the coaching staff in all of his interviews. Pope seems like he buys in to Tinkle. I think that he is 100% gone, if WT is gone. And I would guess that pretty much everyone else is as well. I believe that the choices are one more ride with WT next year, or a garbage fire with a new coach next year. But that is just how I read the tea leaves. So now in your desire to keep tinkle we have to keep him or pretty much every player will leave. If the new coach has the ability he will bring in a better group of players over time. Last I checked the current coaching staff and players have us in last place. I'm willing to bet a new coach and maybe some new players can't get us lower. Yeah... "garbage fire" is years 8,9,10 of a regime with less than 30 wins... total... so far. I'm willing to bet my NIL and other donation levels that the next coach has a better (3) year stint even with a rebuild and a new cast of players. Of course there is some on here that will then come up with a list of excuses. Including the WCC is a weaker conference, etc. Well, considering 77 of WT's 139 wins are vs overall very weak NC slates, I'd also bet the new guy averages over 6 conferences wins per season, and does equally well or better in NC games. But, all of that new coach "stuff" is conjecture. The trend we've witnessed is fact... 20-13/10-10 3-28/1-19 11-21/5-15 12-16/4-13 A stunted/slow "rebuild" of his OWN program 7 years in. Which is the worst 3-season run of ANY coach in OSU hoop history... unless of course he can squeak out 4+ wins to move into a solid 2nd worst stint?? |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 27, 2024 16:53:44 GMT -8
I wanted to add, because I did not include it in my previous post, but Dexter Akanno is a great defender. It is just that he almost always has to neutralize the other team's best guard. Center play has been poor. KC is still at least a year away and Chol is mediocre at his best in most games. If you could keep Bilodeau, Pope, and Rataj around for another season, Oregon State could be a force in the West Coast Conference. Hopefully, it all clicks for KC or NDong. And a senior Akanno. The Beavs could be quite the team next year. Curious as to when you say a force in the WCC what that equates to in conference record and standings position. So if WT is back next year and has a top 3-4 finish in the WCC with say a 13-5 record (unsure how many conference games the WCC plays honestly), is that considered a rousing success since conference record is the only thing that matter? 
I kid of course, still keep forgetting that there are so many moving parts and that we'll be playing an entirely different conference slate next year. My hunch is that so long as there isn't a player exodus that the status quo is maintained for next season and the above scenario I pointed out would be the expectation, and anything less would be a new staff. I just can't see the AD eating the contract right now given the future direction of the AD and conference turmoil unless I'm missing something or something else happens between now and the end of April, even though I tend to agree these last three years are unacceptable and in regular circumstances would probably lead to a change at most other power 6 programs.
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