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Post by orangeattack on Feb 21, 2024 8:54:47 GMT -8
Yes, but will they take us? They seemed pretty sure that they dd not want to be n a league with us. Cal & Stanford did not want to be in a conference with certain unwashed Mountain West universities. I think that a lot of closely held, non-negotiable values are being vaporized as we speak. Academics and college sports are being cleaved before our eyes, and even the blue blood snooty academic institutions have to recognize the paradigm has shifted. The apple cart has been upset. It used to be that Stanford held an enormous advantage in recruiting because of the value of a degree. With NIL and the transfer portal, they have had to let go of some of those non-negotiable values in order to not be rendered irrelevant. I think the league thing will simply be a calculation of value and geographic convenience/logistics.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 21, 2024 9:29:26 GMT -8
This from an article on CBS Sports on Winners and Loosers from the 5 7 model
Losers Pac-12 holdouts No one is hurting more from this decision than what's left of the Pac-12. Oregon State and Washington State are in a worse spot than most non-power conference schools. At least those in leagues like Conference USA or the Mid-American Conference can play for a championship and one of those coveted automatic bids. The only hope for either program is that they go undefeated in the regular season and have some other breaks -- completely out of their control -- fall their way.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 21, 2024 9:32:47 GMT -8
This from an article on CBS Sports on Winners and Loosers from the 5 7 model Losers Pac-12 holdouts No one is hurting more from this decision than what's left of the Pac-12. Oregon State and Washington State are in a worse spot than most non-power conference schools. At least those in leagues like Conference USA or the Mid-American Conference can play for a championship and one of those coveted automatic bids. The only hope for either program is that they go undefeated in the regular season and have some other breaks -- completely out of their control -- fall their way. Loosers? I don't think you need to go undefeated. Maybe WSU since their schedule is weaker, but our schedule is strong enough that you could get in at 11-1. I don't foresee that this year though. I think we are an 8-9 win team next year, with so many new players and a new staff.
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Post by obf on Feb 21, 2024 9:35:21 GMT -8
Cal & Stanford did not want to be in a conference with certain unwashed Mountain West universities. I think that a lot of closely held, non-negotiable values are being vaporized as we speak. Academics and college sports are being cleaved before our eyes, and even the blue blood snooty academic institutions have to recognize the paradigm has shifted. The apple cart has been upset. It used to be that Stanford held an enormous advantage in recruiting because of the value of a degree. With NIL and the transfer portal, they have had to let go of some of those non-negotiable values in order to not be rendered irrelevant. I think the league thing will simply be a calculation of value and geographic convenience/logistics. This. Especially after a couple of years of constant east coast travel, lets see how badly Cal and Stanford want to thumb their noses at the more regional (albeit less academically formidable) universities around them.
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 21, 2024 9:48:01 GMT -8
Teams not in a league are never going to be invited into the playoffs unless you are notre dame. Beavs could be undefeated and it wouldn't get them in. That's just the way it is.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 21, 2024 9:53:19 GMT -8
Teams not in a league are never going to be invited into the playoffs unless you are notre dame. Beavs could be undefeated and it wouldn't get them in. That's just the way it is. That's not true. One spot is still reserved for a G5 team, which we are currently considered to be.
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 21, 2024 9:55:44 GMT -8
Teams not in a league are never going to be invited into the playoffs unless you are notre dame. Beavs could be undefeated and it wouldn't get them in. That's just the way it is. That's not true. One spot is still reserved for a G5 team, which we are currently considered to be. I believe that G5 team has to be in a league. We arent.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 21, 2024 9:58:13 GMT -8
That's not true. One spot is still reserved for a G5 team, which we are currently considered to be. I believe that G5 team has to be in a league. We arent. That's not what I'm reading. Top ranked, non-power conference school.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 21, 2024 10:03:23 GMT -8
So 12 team playoff and one measley spot for non P4 teams?
How long till it's completely split? The talent gap between the the two will only widen moving forward. Might as well have separate championships. G5 12 team playoff is more exciting than getting one team in to be slaughtered.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 21, 2024 10:13:55 GMT -8
This from an article on CBS Sports on Winners and Loosers from the 5 7 model Losers Pac-12 holdouts No one is hurting more from this decision than what's left of the Pac-12. Oregon State and Washington State are in a worse spot than most non-power conference schools. At least those in leagues like Conference USA or the Mid-American Conference can play for a championship and one of those coveted automatic bids. The only hope for either program is that they go undefeated in the regular season and have some other breaks -- completely out of their control -- fall their way. That is true. However, we also still are treated as a P5 school the next two years, and thus get $6 million annually. That's a fair tradeoff. Chances were pretty remote we'd go undefeated or 11-1 and make the playoff in 2024 or 2025 anyways. When the two years are up, we'll be in a conference and thus eligible for the auto bid given to a P4 of G6 team. It's a 12-team playoff, with one G6 spot GUARANTEED. However, another G6 team finishing in the top 12 would also be in the playoff.
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Post by p8nted on Feb 21, 2024 10:27:17 GMT -8
Teams not in a league are never going to be invited into the playoffs unless you are notre dame. Beavs could be undefeated and it wouldn't get them in. That's just the way it is. That's not true. One spot is still reserved for a G5 team, which we are currently considered to be. 5 top rated conference champions is 5 part of the 5+7 model. The G5 school will be the 5th conference champion. OSU and WSU will have to compete with Notre Dame and the P4 for the remaining 7 spots. 2 will go to SEC and BIG runner-ups, 1 to Notre Dame. That leaves 4 spots to shoot for. Not good odds
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Post by p8nted on Feb 21, 2024 10:28:14 GMT -8
This from an article on CBS Sports on Winners and Loosers from the 5 7 model Losers Pac-12 holdouts No one is hurting more from this decision than what's left of the Pac-12. Oregon State and Washington State are in a worse spot than most non-power conference schools. At least those in leagues like Conference USA or the Mid-American Conference can play for a championship and one of those coveted automatic bids. The only hope for either program is that they go undefeated in the regular season and have some other breaks -- completely out of their control -- fall their way. That is true. However, we also still are treated as a P5 school the next two years, and thus get $6 million annually. That's a fair tradeoff. Chances were pretty remote we'd go undefeated or 11-1 and make the playoff in 2024 or 2025 anyways. When the two years are up, we'll be in a conference and thus eligible for the auto bid given to a P4 of G6 team. It's a 12-team playoff, with one G6 spot GUARANTEED. However, another G6 team finishing in the top 12 would also be in the playoff. G6?
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 21, 2024 10:30:13 GMT -8
That's not true. One spot is still reserved for a G5 team, which we are currently considered to be. 5 top rated conference champions is 5 part of the 5+7 model. The G5 school will be the 5th conference champion. OSU and WSU will have to compete with Notre Dame and the P4 for the remaining 7 spots. 2 will go to SEC and BIG runner-ups, 1 to Notre Dame. That leaves 4 spots to shoot for. Not good odds Yep. My bad. You are correct. Forgot how many power conferences were left...... Although ND being in is not a given. They were not in the top 12 this year.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 21, 2024 10:31:21 GMT -8
That is true. However, we also still are treated as a P5 school the next two years, and thus get $6 million annually. That's a fair tradeoff. Chances were pretty remote we'd go undefeated or 11-1 and make the playoff in 2024 or 2025 anyways. When the two years are up, we'll be in a conference and thus eligible for the auto bid given to a P4 of G6 team. It's a 12-team playoff, with one G6 spot GUARANTEED. However, another G6 team finishing in the top 12 would also be in the playoff. G6? That's a really annoying song.......like a G6
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 21, 2024 10:47:11 GMT -8
That is true. However, we also still are treated as a P5 school the next two years, and thus get $6 million annually. That's a fair tradeoff. Chances were pretty remote we'd go undefeated or 11-1 and make the playoff in 2024 or 2025 anyways. When the two years are up, we'll be in a conference and thus eligible for the auto bid given to a P4 of G6 team. It's a 12-team playoff, with one G6 spot GUARANTEED. However, another G6 team finishing in the top 12 would also be in the playoff. G6? I miscounted.
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