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Post by lotrader on Feb 12, 2024 6:44:16 GMT -8
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 13, 2024 7:16:59 GMT -8
Looking back to our 65-54 loss to UCLA in Pauley Pavilion on January 7...
The first thing that stands out is how bad OSU got beat on the boards. UCLA was +13 on the glass and got 10 offensive rebounds. They have great size and love to crash the offensive glass so it's crucial that OSU secures the defensive rebounds and limits the number of second chance points UCLA gets. Neither team shot the ball particularly well (both around 40%) but OSU was particularly bad from outside at just 4-17. Despite OSU's struggles, it was just a 6 point game with 3:30 to go.
OSU is also much improved from that matchup and has won 8 of 9 since the loss to UCLA. IMO, UCLA is probably a top-5 team with a healthy Lauren Betts and their combination of a dominant post presence and athletic guards makes them a difficult matchup for OSU. If the three is falling I like our chances.
UCLA has not won a conference game in Gill since 2013 (though they beat us in the WNIT in 2022).
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 13, 2024 12:24:59 GMT -8
I think we are a much better team now then we were at the start of pac12 play. We are also going to play on front of raucous fans in Gill. Let's hope for a full house.
I've been saying since the beginning of the season that I wouldn't bet against the Beavs.
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 13, 2024 12:36:23 GMT -8
UCLA is one of only two teams to shoot 40% against us this year (Stanford the other) and the only team to dominate us on the boards. But we're a much, much better defensive team today than we were on January 7. I like our chances.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 13, 2024 12:37:43 GMT -8
I think we are a much better team now then we were at the start of pac12 play. We are also going to play on front of raucous fans in Gill. Let's hope for a full house. I've been saying since the beginning of the season that I wouldn't bet against the Beavs. But are you ready to bet ON them?😎 |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 13, 2024 12:45:44 GMT -8
I think we are a much better team now then we were at the start of pac12 play. We are also going to play on front of raucous fans in Gill. Let's hope for a full house. I've been saying since the beginning of the season that I wouldn't bet against the Beavs. But are you ready to bet ON them?😎 Yep. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 13, 2024 12:51:37 GMT -8
I’m gonna try and find a way to get down to Corvallis on Friday. The way this season is evolving I don’t want to get to March and then wish I’d seen them play in person.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 13, 2024 13:19:12 GMT -8
I’m gonna try and find a way to get down to Corvallis on Friday. The way this season is evolving I don’t want to get to March and then wish I’d seen them play in person. This is one of my favorite Beaver women's basketball teams to watch because of their mental toughness. The 14-15-16-17 years were good teams but could be shaken up by rough play or bad calls. This team is nearly unflappable. The last game is a close as they get and I think fatigue had much to do with it. |
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 13, 2024 13:44:45 GMT -8
In Aleah's interview with Ron, she pretty said the team became complacent in the 4th quarter and began to make lazy passes, quick shots, etc. That's pretty much what I saw as well. Then with CU on the attack defensively, it just all snowballed. You are probably correct though in that fatigue and playing at that altitude may have played a role as well.
I've been wrong about this team. Their improvement has been on high speed and my expectations on improvement have been on low speed. SR almost always outcoaches Close. The game is at home. The Beavs improvement from their first game with UCLA/USC is noticeable. The games against USC and UCLA were the Beavs first road games of the year. The Beavs haven't played a 'let down' game all year. For all of those reasons I now expect the Beavs to sweep the LA schools this weekend. I've been too cautious with this team. I hope I'm not too optimistic now.
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Post by grayman on Feb 13, 2024 13:50:02 GMT -8
In Aleah's interview with Ron, she pretty said the team became complacent in the 4th quarter and began to make lazy passes, quick shots, etc. That's pretty much what I saw as well. Then with CU on the attack defensively, it just all snowballed. You are probably correct though in that fatigue and playing at that altitude may have played a role as well. I've been wrong about this team. Their improvement has been on high speed and my expectations on improvement have been on low speed. SR almost always outcoaches Close. The game is at home. The Beavs improvement from their first game with UCLA/USC is noticeable. The games against USC and UCLA were the Beavs first road games of the year. The Beavs haven't played a 'let down' game all year. For all of those reasons I now expect the Beavs to sweep the LA schools this weekend. I've been too cautious with this team. I hope I'm not too optimistic now. Stick with what works! |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 13, 2024 13:58:32 GMT -8
In Aleah's interview with Ron, she pretty said the team became complacent in the 4th quarter and began to make lazy passes, quick shots, etc. That's pretty much what I saw as well. Then with CU on the attack defensively, it just all snowballed. You are probably correct though in that fatigue and playing at that altitude may have played a role as well. I've been wrong about this team. Their improvement has been on high speed and my expectations on improvement have been on low speed. SR almost always outcoaches Close. The game is at home. The Beavs improvement from their first game with UCLA/USC is noticeable. The games against USC and UCLA were the Beavs first road games of the year. The Beavs haven't played a 'let down' game all year. For all of those reasons I now expect the Beavs to sweep the LA schools this weekend. I've been too cautious with this team. I hope I'm not too optimistic now. Stick with what works! Some... but, not sure about the "quick shots"? Hard to do when your dribbling up top until the 10-12 sec mark. OSU most likely doesn't shoot it as well in the 4th being worn down at altitude. But, the coaching strategy completely destroyed the offensive rhythm. As a coach with a double digit lead you want to limit possessions, but you also can't play not to lose. |
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Post by jrbeav59 on Feb 13, 2024 14:32:20 GMT -8
Some... but, not sure about the "quick shots"? Hard to do when your dribbling up top until the 10-12 sec mark. OSU most likely doesn't shoot it as well in the 4th being worn down at altitude. But, the coaching strategy completely destroyed the offensive rhythm. As a coach with a double digit lead you want to limit possessions, but you also can't play not to lose. It didn't help that the Refs went into if it doesn't result in a trip to the ER it's not a foul mode. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 13, 2024 14:51:00 GMT -8
Some... but, not sure about the "quick shots"? Hard to do when your dribbling up top until the 10-12 sec mark. OSU most likely doesn't shoot it as well in the 4th being worn down at altitude. But, the coaching strategy completely destroyed the offensive rhythm. As a coach with a double digit lead you want to limit possessions, but you also can't play not to lose. It didn't help that the Refs went into if it doesn't result in a trip to the ER it's not a foul mode. But, personally I'm not one to include refereeing, umpiring in such a discussion. For one, every fan base sees the same call differently. Secondly, it involves huge amount of situational interpretation. Rules, just like laws, have just enough room for interpretation. Add, that each official has innate bias on how a call is determined. There is no "letter of the law" in officiating. Officiating is part of the game and is an uncontrolled variable. Sometimes it sucks, but rarely determines the outcome of any contest if you take into account all the other opportunities teams have to succeed. It is one aspect that is a key component of any great athlete or team. It's not what may happen, it's how you react. Hence, I get fan frustration, but I don't get nonstop whining and bogus conspiracy theories against players or teams. Believe me I've had plenty of gripes vs officiating over the years. But, I always tried to use it to support players' and their self esteem. To not let a call(s) detract from their play. I'll deal with a call, you forget. The worst thing a player or coach can do is to let a call distract them from the next play(s). I just reminded players that officials are part of the game. Unless you go a season with no turnovers, errors, shoot 100%, bat 1.000, etc don't think calls will go your way. You stress how to overcome adversity and officiating is just one tiny aspect of that. |
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Post by jrbeav59 on Feb 13, 2024 16:24:59 GMT -8
It didn't help that the Refs went into if it doesn't result in a trip to the ER it's not a foul mode. But, personally I'm not one to include refereeing, umpiring in such a discussion. For one, every fan base sees the same call differently. Secondly, it involves huge amount of situational interpretation. Rules, just like laws, have just enough room for interpretation. Add, that each official has innate bias on how a call is determined. There is no "letter of the law" in officiating. Officiating is part of the game and is an uncontrolled variable. Sometimes it sucks, but rarely determines the outcome of any contest if you take into account all the other opportunities teams have to succeed. It is one aspect that is a key component of any great athlete or team. It's not what may happen, it's how you react. Hence, I get fan frustration, but I don't get nonstop whining and bogus conspiracy theories against players or teams. Believe me I've had plenty of gripes vs officiating over the years. But, I always tried to use it to support players' and their self esteem. To not let a call(s) detract from their play. I'll deal with a call, you forget. The worst thing a player or coach can do is to let a call distract them from the next play(s). I just reminded players that officials are part of the game. Unless you go a season with no turnovers, errors, shoot 100%, bat 1.000, etc don't think calls will go your way. You stress how to overcome adversity and officiating is just one tiny aspect of that. I would agree in 99% of the time, but what was going on during the fourth quarter in Boulder was beyond the pale. |
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 13, 2024 20:04:23 GMT -8
Some... but, not sure about the "quick shots"? Hard to do when your dribbling up top until the 10-12 sec mark. OSU most likely doesn't shoot it as well in the 4th being worn down at altitude. But, the coaching strategy completely destroyed the offensive rhythm. As a coach with a double digit lead you want to limit possessions, but you also can't play not to lose. Take a look, and you'll see the quick shots me and Aleah are talking about, in particular Talia. At that point I think the team was a bit over confident and then it headed south. Hey, one of the coaches agree with me. Let me have my moment, lol. It's not going to happen often. |
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