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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 1, 2024 12:14:47 GMT -8
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 1, 2024 14:52:50 GMT -8
I'll leave it to the "advanced metrics" guys to decipher how impressive that 77% completion stat was. They have a lot of ways of slicing and dicing that now between PFF and other "scouting" services getting into "average depth of target"/Air Yards, etc, etc. Ultimately, he's going to have to show some stuff in the 1:1 comparisons at the combine. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 1, 2024 15:38:30 GMT -8
I'll leave it to the "advanced metrics" guys to decipher how impressive that 77% completion stat was. They have a lot of ways of slicing and dicing that now between PFF and other "scouting" services getting into "average depth of target"/Air Yards, etc, etc. Ultimately, he's going to have to show some stuff in the 1:1 comparisons at the combine. Bo Nix was one of the two best quarterbacks in the country in 2023. The question is whether Nix is great because of the team around him or great on his own. We'll see. |
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 2, 2024 11:54:31 GMT -8
I'll leave it to the "advanced metrics" guys to decipher how impressive that 77% completion stat was. They have a lot of ways of slicing and dicing that now between PFF and other "scouting" services getting into "average depth of target"/Air Yards, etc, etc. Ultimately, he's going to have to show some stuff in the 1:1 comparisons at the combine. Bo Nix was one of the two best quarterbacks in the country in 2023. The question is whether Nix is great because of the team around him or great on his own. We'll see. "One of the two best" is a qualitative statement unless you let us in on what sort of metric you're using. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 2, 2024 12:06:58 GMT -8
Bo Nix was one of the two best quarterbacks in the country in 2023. The question is whether Nix is great because of the team around him or great on his own. We'll see. "One of the two best" is a qualitative statement unless you let us in on what sort of metric you're using. And, no matter what data is stated, for the purposes of the Sr Bowl... the scouts and NFL personnel doesn't seem to think so! College ball is over, hence those stats mean literally nothing from this point forward. They got to the Sr Bowl, it is ground zero now... and as stated by multiple sites, "stick" is dropping. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 2, 2024 12:27:17 GMT -8
Bo Nix was one of the two best quarterbacks in the country in 2023. The question is whether Nix is great because of the team around him or great on his own. We'll see. "One of the two best" is a qualitative statement unless you let us in on what sort of metric you're using. Daniels and Nix were 1 and 2 in both PFF and QBR. Those two are generally the first two places I look at, when I want to try and do deep dives on QB numbers. If there is a better metric out there, I would love to know what that is. Doing a deeper dive in the numbers, Nix was the best pure passing quarterback in the country. Daniels only rated ahead of Nix in both metrics, because of his running ability. As stated, it may be more the players around Nix than Nix itself and that is being born out at the Senior Bowl. But Nix is pretty universally regarded as being one of the two best QBs in the country heading into the Senior Bowl. |
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 2, 2024 13:13:46 GMT -8
"One of the two best" is a qualitative statement unless you let us in on what sort of metric you're using. Daniels and Nix were 1 and 2 in both PFF and QBR. Those two are generally the first two places I look at, when I want to try and do deep dives on QB numbers. If there is a better metric out there, I would love to know what that is. Doing a deeper dive in the numbers, Nix was the best pure passing quarterback in the country. Daniels only rated ahead of Nix in both metrics, because of his running ability. As stated, it may be more the players around Nix than Nix itself and that is being born out at the Senior Bowl. But Nix is pretty universally regarded as being one of the two best QBs in the country heading into the Senior Bowl. Thanks for stating the criteria you were using, but the statement "Nix is pretty universally regarded as being one of the two best QBs in the country heading into the Senior Bowl" seems completely off base. Draft wise, Nix is floating between 4th and 6th. If he were universally regarded as being top 2, why is his draft stock not at 1 or 2? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 2, 2024 13:27:54 GMT -8
Daniels and Nix were 1 and 2 in both PFF and QBR. Those two are generally the first two places I look at, when I want to try and do deep dives on QB numbers. If there is a better metric out there, I would love to know what that is. Doing a deeper dive in the numbers, Nix was the best pure passing quarterback in the country. Daniels only rated ahead of Nix in both metrics, because of his running ability. As stated, it may be more the players around Nix than Nix itself and that is being born out at the Senior Bowl. But Nix is pretty universally regarded as being one of the two best QBs in the country heading into the Senior Bowl. Thanks for stating the criteria you were using, but the statement "Nix is pretty universally regarded as being one of the two best QBs in the country heading into the Senior Bowl" seems completely off base. Draft wise, Nix is floating between 4th and 6th. If he were universally regarded as being top 2, why is his draft stock not at 1 or 2? Drafts are about future potential, not about present reality. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Feb 2, 2024 13:37:18 GMT -8
Daniels and Nix were 1 and 2 in both PFF and QBR. Those two are generally the first two places I look at, when I want to try and do deep dives on QB numbers. If there is a better metric out there, I would love to know what that is. Doing a deeper dive in the numbers, Nix was the best pure passing quarterback in the country. Daniels only rated ahead of Nix in both metrics, because of his running ability. As stated, it may be more the players around Nix than Nix itself and that is being born out at the Senior Bowl. But Nix is pretty universally regarded as being one of the two best QBs in the country heading into the Senior Bowl. Thanks for stating the criteria you were using, but the statement "Nix is pretty universally regarded as being one of the two best QBs in the country heading into the Senior Bowl" seems completely off base. Draft wise, Nix is floating between 4th and 6th. If he were universally regarded as being top 2, why is his draft stock not at 1 or 2? agreed. Nix had 1 or 2 of the best seasons sure. That doesn't make him 1-2 of the best pro prospects. Every list or mock draft I've seen has it Williams/Maye/Daniels and then Nix/Penix/McCarthy in some order. If Nix can't throw it downfield in workouts, his stock drops big time. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 2, 2024 14:13:13 GMT -8
I'll leave it to the "advanced metrics" guys to decipher how impressive that 77% completion stat was. They have a lot of ways of slicing and dicing that now between PFF and other "scouting" services getting into "average depth of target"/Air Yards, etc, etc. Ultimately, he's going to have to show some stuff in the 1:1 comparisons at the combine. Bo Nix was one of the two best quarterbacks in the country in 2023. The question is whether Nix is great because of the team around him or great on his own. We'll see. So Micheal Penix then Bo Nix...interesting |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 2, 2024 14:16:06 GMT -8
Bo Nix was one of the two best quarterbacks in the country in 2023. The question is whether Nix is great because of the team around him or great on his own. We'll see. So Micheal Penix then Bo Nix...interesting I always thought that it was entertaining that Oregon had Bo Nix and Washington had Penix at the same time. |
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 2, 2024 14:26:19 GMT -8
Thanks for stating the criteria you were using, but the statement "Nix is pretty universally regarded as being one of the two best QBs in the country heading into the Senior Bowl" seems completely off base. Draft wise, Nix is floating between 4th and 6th. If he were universally regarded as being top 2, why is his draft stock not at 1 or 2? Drafts are about future potential, not about present reality. Saying he's "pretty universally regarded as being one of the two best QBs in the country heading into the Senior Bowl", sort of implies we're talking about draft stock, since the Senior Bowl is all about draft evaluation. But, even if you're claiming that Nix was universally regarded as having been one of the 2 best QBs in the nation last year, you're off base, since he finished a DISTANT 3rd behind 2 other QBs in the Heisman voting. I'd say that is a pretty good litmus test of who were "universally considered" the top 2 QBs in the nation. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 3, 2024 1:21:06 GMT -8
Thanks for stating the criteria you were using, but the statement "Nix is pretty universally regarded as being one of the two best QBs in the country heading into the Senior Bowl" seems completely off base. Draft wise, Nix is floating between 4th and 6th. If he were universally regarded as being top 2, why is his draft stock not at 1 or 2? Drafts are about future potential, not about present reality. Tell that to the team that drafted Ryan Leaf. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Feb 3, 2024 6:44:56 GMT -8
Drafts are about future potential, not about present reality. Tell that to the team that drafted Ryan Leaf. Most first round QBs are busts. Since 2011 38 QBs have been drafted. 10 are still on their rookie deal. 11 of the remaining 28 got a second deal. The NFL is hard and being a QB there is hard. Only about a quarter of first round QB picks will be multi season starters. It is kind of fun to go back and look at the draft grades for the 2017 Chiefs. Overall they say that the chiefs have up quite a bit to trade up to the 10 slot for Mahomes. Whether it was a good or bad gamble at the time was disputed. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 3, 2024 15:29:27 GMT -8
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