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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 24, 2024 14:58:49 GMT -8
It sounds like independent is the way to go. It’s not the best long term solution, but for the short term, and given our national prestige, creating a schedule that is competitive and good for our RPI doesn’t seem as hard as some on this blog are making it seem. Baseball programs are going to want to schedule OSU with any opening because of the name brand that we bring to the game/series, and because of what it will do to help a team’s SOS and RPI. Just as if we could schedule Arkansas, Vandy, Mississippi State, etc we would because of the name brand they bring and the boost to our SOS and RPI. I think going independent is absolutely the way to go at this time, and I think it will be a much better sell to recruits than joining a bottom tier conference like the WAC or WCC. Our brand is there, but you highly underestimate teams like the SEC wanting another tough series once they are in conference play. And, I can't imagine and SEC traveling once their conference play starts. The B10 with (17) teams in '25 (I think) might be an option, especially with UW, Oregon, UCLA, SC close by. But, with the travel they are already doing are UCLA, SC going to come to Corvallis? The B12 with (16) teams in '25 (I think... 13 this year add 4 teams but Colorado doesn't have baseball??) will probably be out unless it is games during preseason. But, who knows if even number conferences will still offer BYE weekends?? Again will Utah, Arizona, ASU be willing to travel to Corvallis if they did have an open? On the surface it just doesn't seem like OSU is going to build a better schedule than it has with a conference, especially if it doesn't want to be on the road more. Most high quality teams want the upper echelon competition before conference play, but as OSU's mid week, and BYE weekends have shown, not many want it once league play begins. But, it'll be interesting to see. FWIW... these large conferences are just ridiculous. Since this is a baseball board... you have 16 teams... 3-game series with at most 10 of the 15 possible opponents... teams possibly skipping some of the top, or bottom teams... seeding a league tournament is then highly bias and how many teams are in those conference tournaments? If they do pods or divisions they same thing exists. Look at the B10 football divisions, it wasn't ever equitable as far as talent/teams. It's all just horse pucky. Yeah I just don't see SEC teams coming out this way after conference play starts. I'm anticipating we try to build a tough schedule on the front end to build up SOS and once everyone else is in conference play it's WSU + teams along the lines of Utah Valley, Seattle, Nevada, Cal Poly types. Maybe ducks, stanford, Cal in there. We basically need to find 10 dance partners once everyone else is in conference. Yikes. |
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Post by tamatrix on Jan 24, 2024 16:07:54 GMT -8
Confused MStateDawg. No offense intended, but why are you here? Do you have dawg in the fight? Apparently baseball means less in the SEC than it does at Oregon State so they have to come here to get a feel of what a great consistent program feels like....nice to know we can give back to those with less |
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Post by zeroposter on Jan 24, 2024 17:06:35 GMT -8
It will have to be one heck of a travel budget, a whole lot of midweek games, and a lot of internet classes to have an RPI productive schedule. Imho.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 24, 2024 17:32:05 GMT -8
Confused MStateDawg. No offense intended, but why are you here? Do you have dawg in the fight? Maybe he's just a fan of college baseball who is interested in what we're doing, since we are also a national power and have played State in three different years over the past decade or so, at Omaha and at Starkville. |
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Post by 86BEAVER on Jan 24, 2024 18:30:51 GMT -8
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Post by mstatedawg on Jan 24, 2024 19:17:20 GMT -8
Confused MStateDawg. No offense intended, but why are you here? Do you have dawg in the fight? I had read about the 30 day timeframe to join the WCC or go Independent and hadn’t seen any updates anywhere despite 30 days having passed. It was either ask Beaver fans or ask Wazzo fans. Figured yall would be more plugged in. |
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Post by mstatedawg on Jan 24, 2024 19:25:07 GMT -8
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Post by jayvinson on Jan 24, 2024 19:31:52 GMT -8
For what it's worth, when I was in Starkville in 2020 the MSU fans were very hospitable. Not to mention the nicest college stadium in the country.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 24, 2024 19:43:05 GMT -8
For what it's worth, when I was in Starkville in 2020 the MSU fans were very hospitable. Not to mention the nicest college stadium in the country. MSU fans were cool in Omaha in '18 as well. Had some great conversations over beers in the local watering holes. Our schools are very similar. |
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Post by easyheat on Jan 25, 2024 11:42:10 GMT -8
The WCC is not a preferable fit for OSU's baseball program. The talent disparity between WCC rosters and OSU is substantial. The WCC is a nine team Conference that produced only 3 teams with winning records last year.
Only Santa Clara, LMU and the Pilots were above .500 for the season. You don't want to compete at that level over the course of a season, nor do you want to recruit at that level.
No hubris intended but factually, it's not a good fit.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 25, 2024 11:52:43 GMT -8
The WCC isn't the best fit for many of the reasons above. But, for many others it's the best choice out of... what? Two.
As I've and others have stated a conference schedule and conference title bets you to the post season. With the addition if OSU I believe that gives the WCC 10 baseball teams? That's 27 conference games, plus conference tourney. Plenty of room for a quality NC schedule. And much much easier to fill 29 games vs 56.
The WCC has losing records as they mostly schedule "up" VA better competition. Other than select years and this year in Texas, OSU has not in the NC.
WCC is the best fit for now.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 25, 2024 12:06:28 GMT -8
This may have been discussed already, but why is the big 12 not an option for baseball? Do they not care enough about the sport? It seems like a good fit. Already some former Pac 12 teams. Adds a ton of prestige, and RPI potential to the conference. And it theoretically allows our program to keep hummin along.
Maybe the current power baseball schools in the conference don't want to deal with us?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 25, 2024 12:22:18 GMT -8
This may have been discussed already, but why is the big 12 not an option for baseball? Do they not care enough about the sport? It seems like a good fit. Already some former Pac 12 teams. Adds a ton of prestige, and RPI potential to the conference. And it theoretically allows our program to keep hummin along. Maybe the current power baseball schools in the conference don't want to deal with us? They don't need us. Or have any interest in traveling out here. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 25, 2024 13:03:08 GMT -8
It will have to be one heck of a travel budget, a whole lot of midweek games, and a lot of internet classes to have an RPI productive schedule. Imho. Assuming we CAN make all of the weekend series work, we should have opportunities for more/better midweek games as B1G teams come in to play hole for weekend series. Could be a lot of symbiosis with hole schedule for each team to poach mid week home games. Of course B1G baseball might be a step down from the WCC. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 25, 2024 13:24:56 GMT -8
This may have been discussed already, but why is the big 12 not an option for baseball? Do they not care enough about the sport? It seems like a good fit. Already some former Pac 12 teams. Adds a ton of prestige, and RPI potential to the conference. And it theoretically allows our program to keep hummin along. Maybe the current power baseball schools in the conference don't want to deal with us? They don't need us. Or have any interest in traveling out here. I spose that makes sense. The hassle of coming to Corvallis, for a sport that doesn't make money, in general, is not enough for them to care about adding a national baseball powerhouse......even the Kings of the North. Too bad. |
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