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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 11, 2024 16:33:06 GMT -8
Yeah, let's replace the best AD we've had this century. He just bought a new house, sort of out by CV. He's invested, and not going anywhere. The kind of loyalty we'd hoped for from our football coach. Better than Mitch Barnhart? I think that Barnes is a plus AD, and I was making a joke. Having said that, I don't really want to oversell Barnes either. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 11, 2024 21:04:11 GMT -8
Yeah, let's replace the best AD we've had this century. He just bought a new house, sort of out by CV. He's invested, and not going anywhere. The kind of loyalty we'd hoped for from our football coach. Better than Mitch Barnhart? I think that Barnes is a plus AD, and I was making a joke. Having said that, I don't really want to oversell Barnes either. I think Barnes has accomplished more, in part because he's been here longer and had much better resources to work with than Mitch. I wanted Mitch to be the Pac-12 commissioner. Don't know if he was ever approached. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 11, 2024 21:28:23 GMT -8
Better than Mitch Barnhart? I think that Barnes is a plus AD, and I was making a joke. Having said that, I don't really want to oversell Barnes either. I think Barnes has accomplished more, in part because he's been here longer and had much better resources to work with than Mitch. I wanted Mitch to be the Pac-12 commissioner. Don't know if he was ever approached. Getting the money from the Resers to redo Reser Stadium. Getting Erickson to Corvallis. Getting Oregon State into the Fiesta Bowl. Mitch knew that football ran the show and supported the hell out of it. His tenure also coincided with getting the money into place and approving all of the Pat Casey improvements that helped transition Coleman into Goss. Mitch still is the AD at Kentucky. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 12, 2024 9:30:13 GMT -8
Not disagreeing, Mitch was an outstanding AD. But he left in the summer of 2002. The Reser project was dead in the water for much of 2003 and did not start until June of 2004, almost two full years after he left.
He also hired Jay John. Not a resume highlight, for sure.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 12, 2024 21:38:15 GMT -8
Not disagreeing, Mitch was an outstanding AD. But he left in the summer of 2002. The Reser project was dead in the water for much of 2003 and did not start until June of 2004, almost two full years after he left. He also hired Jay John. Not a resume highlight, for sure. Mitch did all of the investigation and vetting to get Raising Reser underway. BDC became the AD on August 28, 2002, and announced Raising Reser I the next month. The official announcement came on October 31, 2002. I don't know why BDC did not get going on it faster or better other than BDC sucked. Mitch and Erickson built Truax. In John's first season at Oregon State, Oregon State went 6–12 in the Pac-10, finishing sixth, Oregon State's best Pac-10 finish in 10 years. The team swept the Los Angeles schools on the road for the first time in 15 years and captured the most road victories in one season in a decade. In 2004–05, the Beavs posted their first winning record in 15 seasons, going 8–10 in the Pac-10 and 17–15 overall. This was Oregon State's most conference wins and best conference finish in 12 years. Oregon State won a Pac-10 Tournament game for the first time in 26 years, beating UCLA in the first round. The Beavers earned a post-season berth for the first time since 1990. BDC then showed his complete lack of knowledge and ability handling the basketball team, firing Jay John in the middle of the 2007-2008 season, completely tanking the season. BDC then cheesed off Randy Bennett, where Bennett may or may not have been shining BDC on (as one individual on here has suggested), before finally settling on Craig Robinson. Jay John was a phenomenal assistant coach. Arizona never finished worse than twelfth in the country, punching a ticket to the National Championship Game in 2001. After BDC fired Jay John, Jay John went to California, and California experienced their winningest five-year period in more than 50 years. Jay John finished his six years in Berkeley with four Tourney trips and two NIT trips. He left California after Mike Montgomery retired. Anderson and Payne were trainwrecks. Craig Robinson was the worst head coaching selection since Payne. Something can be said for the other three head coaches, especially with a dose of perspective IMO. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 13, 2024 4:25:31 GMT -8
I don't buy Jay John was a phenomenal assistant coach. He was at Arizona for 4 years. The program was all about Lute. They were a great program before John got to Tuscon and a great program after he left. Lute had it rolling to such an extent that he just needed competent assistants. Lute would have continued to win at the same pace if John had never gone to UA. In fact, what I had heard was that Lute was more than happy that John left and encouraged him to take the OSU job. Regardless of what one thinks of John as an assistant, he was a disaster as a head coach at OSU and never got another opportunity to be a head coach again and was only an assistant for a few more seasons retiring at the relatively young age of 54.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 13, 2024 8:35:15 GMT -8
Jay John followed up that "great" NIT season by going 13-18 (5-13) and then 11-21 (3-15). OSU was 6-12 and 0-5 in the Pac-12 and going downhill again when he was fired. He brought in Giles, a criminal from Kansas who was a complete train wreck. Several other of his players were in trouble. The season was already a dumpster fire.
I knew Jay John, he was a nice guy but was way over his head as a HC. He was beyond fortunate to work for Lute and Montgomery, two of the most successful coaches in conference history. My guess is, they didn't spend much time listening to him in the huddle.
Say what you will about Craig Robinson, but he won a lot more games than Jay John ever did.
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 13, 2024 9:59:15 GMT -8
Jay John followed up that "great" NIT season by going 13-18 (5-13) and then 11-21 (3-15). OSU was 6-12 and 0-5 in the Pac-12 and going downhill again when he was fired. He brought in Giles, a criminal from Kansas who was a complete train wreck. Several other of his players were in trouble. The season was already a dumpster fire. I knew Jay John, he was a nice guy but was way over his head as a HC. He was beyond fortunate to work for Lute and Montgomery, two of the most successful coaches in conference history. My guess is, they didn't spend much time listening to him in the huddle. Say what you will about Craig Robinson, but he won a lot more games than Jay John ever did. And, CR was the best overall recruiter (no relatives, minimal "issues"), that actually was able to keep kids longer that OSU has had since Ralph. There have been 22 total HCs in OSU's history counting every single one, interim or short term. Only 10 have coached 100 games or more (some as few as 3): Robert Hager 115-53 / .685 EJ Stewart 67-33 / .670 Ralph Miller 342-198 / .642 Slats Gill 599-392 / .604 Paul Valenti 91-82 / .526 Craig Robinson 94-105 / .472 Jim Anderson 79-90 / .467 Wayne Tinkle 127-158 / .446 Jay John 72-97 / .426 Eddie Payne 52-88 / .371 Funny how some of the "terrible" coaches mentioned over the years have fared better than our current guy. Yet, he's considered quality and gets numerous justifications for the current state of the program. Weird. |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 13, 2024 10:08:47 GMT -8
Jay John followed up that "great" NIT season by going 13-18 (5-13) and then 11-21 (3-15). OSU was 6-12 and 0-5 in the Pac-12 and going downhill again when he was fired. He brought in Giles, a criminal from Kansas who was a complete train wreck. Several other of his players were in trouble. The season was already a dumpster fire. I knew Jay John, he was a nice guy but was way over his head as a HC. He was beyond fortunate to work for Lute and Montgomery, two of the most successful coaches in conference history. My guess is, they didn't spend much time listening to him in the huddle. Say what you will about Craig Robinson, but he won a lot more games than Jay John ever did. And, CR was the best overall recruiter (no relatives, minimal "issues"), that actually was able to keep kids longer that OSU has had since Ralph. There have been 22 total HCs in OSU's history counting every single one, interim or short term. Only 10 have coached 100 games or more (some as few as 3): Robert Hager 115-53 / .685 EJ Stewart 67-33 / .670 Ralph Miller 342-198 / .642 Slats Gill 599-392 / .604 Paul Valenti 91-82 / .526 Craig Robinson 94-105 / .472 Jim Anderson 79-90 / .467 Wayne Tinkle 127-158 / .446 Jay John 72-97 / .426 Eddie Payne 52-88 / .371 Funny how some of the "terrible" coaches mentioned over the years have fared better than our current guy. Yet, he's considered quality and gets numerous justifications for the current state of the program. Weird. Obvioiusly we need to try and bring back Robert Hager. Is he tanned, ready, and rested? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Feb 13, 2024 10:26:40 GMT -8
And, CR was the best overall recruiter (no relatives, minimal "issues"), that actually was able to keep kids longer that OSU has had since Ralph. There have been 22 total HCs in OSU's history counting every single one, interim or short term. Only 10 have coached 100 games or more (some as few as 3): Robert Hager 115-53 / .685 EJ Stewart 67-33 / .670 Ralph Miller 342-198 / .642 Slats Gill 599-392 / .604 Paul Valenti 91-82 / .526 Craig Robinson 94-105 / .472 Jim Anderson 79-90 / .467 Wayne Tinkle 127-158 / .446 Jay John 72-97 / .426 Eddie Payne 52-88 / .371 Funny how some of the "terrible" coaches mentioned over the years have fared better than our current guy. Yet, he's considered quality and gets numerous justifications for the current state of the program. Weird. Obvioiusly we need to try and bring back Robert Hager. Is he tanned, ready, and rested? Ummm - no. That would be rgeorge himself. He might be a good judge, however! Get that fake bake the hell out of here! |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 13, 2024 10:29:32 GMT -8
And, CR was the best overall recruiter (no relatives, minimal "issues"), that actually was able to keep kids longer that OSU has had since Ralph. There have been 22 total HCs in OSU's history counting every single one, interim or short term. Only 10 have coached 100 games or more (some as few as 3): Robert Hager 115-53 / .685 EJ Stewart 67-33 / .670 Ralph Miller 342-198 / .642 Slats Gill 599-392 / .604 Paul Valenti 91-82 / .526 Craig Robinson 94-105 / .472 Jim Anderson 79-90 / .467 Wayne Tinkle 127-158 / .446 Jay John 72-97 / .426 Eddie Payne 52-88 / .371 Funny how some of the "terrible" coaches mentioned over the years have fared better than our current guy. Yet, he's considered quality and gets numerous justifications for the current state of the program. Weird. Obvioiusly we need to try and bring back Robert Hager. Is he tanned, ready, and rested? Tanned??🤔 |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 13, 2024 10:52:52 GMT -8
And, CR was the best overall recruiter (no relatives, minimal "issues"), that actually was able to keep kids longer that OSU has had since Ralph. There have been 22 total HCs in OSU's history counting every single one, interim or short term. Only 10 have coached 100 games or more (some as few as 3): Robert Hager 115-53 / .685 EJ Stewart 67-33 / .670 Ralph Miller 342-198 / .642 Slats Gill 599-392 / .604 Paul Valenti 91-82 / .526 Craig Robinson 94-105 / .472 Jim Anderson 79-90 / .467 Wayne Tinkle 127-158 / .446 Jay John 72-97 / .426 Eddie Payne 52-88 / .371 Funny how some of the "terrible" coaches mentioned over the years have fared better than our current guy. Yet, he's considered quality and gets numerous justifications for the current state of the program. Weird. Obvioiusly we need to try and bring back Robert Hager. Is he tanned, ready, and rested? Well, Hager might come back, the Langton Hall pool is still in operation. |
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Post by ftd on Feb 13, 2024 11:06:07 GMT -8
Obvioiusly we need to try and bring back Robert Hager. Is he tanned, ready, and rested? Tanned??🤔 like old leather |
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Post by messi on Feb 13, 2024 11:24:07 GMT -8
Obvioiusly we need to try and bring back Robert Hager. Is he tanned, ready, and rested? Well, Hager might come back, the Langton Hall pool is still in operation. Is there a story behind this? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 13, 2024 12:25:40 GMT -8
Well, Hager might come back, the Langton Hall pool is still in operation. Is there a story behind this? He was a very successful head coach who had the misfortune of being caught while skinnydipping in the Langton Hall pool late one night with a woman who was not his wife. He was fired immediately. |
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