|
|
Post by rgeorge on Feb 7, 2024 22:09:56 GMT -8
Completely understand why you just lurk! lol You should try it. And, as a "lurker" you'd know there many many pages on players, their play, recruiting, etc. Plus, it's a message board. Threads come and go. Length and randomness unpredictable. But, of course a lurker would know that? And, that telling others what and how they can post would be called out. So, not really much of a "lurker" or mostly just read the titles? Asking for multiple friends... |
|
|
|
Post by irimi on Feb 7, 2024 22:30:13 GMT -8
Long time lurker here. New as a poster. But, a lot of you ripping the coach have never coached and will never coach. This thread is on page 9. Nine pages of hating Tinkle. Are there better coaches out there? I'm sure there are. Will any of them come here to coach? No. Why should they? For recruits, it's death valley. We would have to pay them. In case you boys haven't noticed OSU men's basketball is on the clearance rack at K-Mart. For cos, it's the northwest gulag. There are a hundred ways in but no way out. Except maybe, death or retirement. So rather than spend nine pages crapping on the coaches perhaps you can discuss the players. The kids who show up day after day who really get few words of encouragement out of you people. Being on a winning team is easy. Being on a bad one is hard. Being on a mediocre one is the worst. Let's celebrate the kids. I don’t believe OSU is “death valley” for recruits. Ralph had no trouble getting kids here. So it isn’t OSU. There are coaches out there who would like to take over the program. Everyone has their own story, but somehow we got a guy named Riley to coach a traditionally bad football team and he turned the program around. Smith did too. But in my opinion, OSU doesn’t care enough. It’s the same sort of feeling that surrounded the football team for years. I think 10 pages is apropos for a coach like Tinkle, who neither shines enough to keep the program alive nor sucks enough to be axed. |
|
|
|
Post by lavrentyyb on Feb 7, 2024 23:20:27 GMT -8
And, as a "lurker" you'd know there many many pages on players, their play, recruiting, etc. Plus, it's a message board. Threads come and go. Length and randomness unpredictable. But, of course a lurker would know that? And, that telling others what and how they can post would be called out. So, not really much of a "lurker" or mostly just read the titles? Asking for multiple friends... You had me until you indicated you had "multiple" friends. Well, I suppose if you suffer from multiple personality disorder. From now on ye shall be known as SYBIL. |
|
|
|
Post by rgeorge on Feb 7, 2024 23:44:08 GMT -8
And, as a "lurker" you'd know there many many pages on players, their play, recruiting, etc. Plus, it's a message board. Threads come and go. Length and randomness unpredictable. But, of course a lurker would know that? And, that telling others what and how they can post would be called out. So, not really much of a "lurker" or mostly just read the titles? Asking for multiple friends... You had me until you indicated you had "multiple" friends. Well, I suppose if you suffer from multiple personality disorder. From now on ye shall be known as SYBIL. Meaning I've got more friends and personality than you have meaningful or intelligent posts! Can't wait for #15🤣 |
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 8, 2024 0:04:16 GMT -8
Long time lurker here. New as a poster. But, a lot of you ripping the coach have never coached and will never coach. This thread is on page 9. Nine pages of hating Tinkle. Are there better coaches out there? I'm sure there are. Will any of them come here to coach? No. Why should they? For recruits, it's death valley. We would have to pay them. In case you boys haven't noticed OSU men's basketball is on the clearance rack at K-Mart. For cos, it's the northwest gulag. There are a hundred ways in but no way out. Except maybe, death or retirement. So rather than spend nine pages crapping on the coaches perhaps you can discuss the players. The kids who show up day after day who really get few words of encouragement out of you people. Being on a winning team is easy. Being on a bad one is hard. Being on a mediocre one is the worst. Let's celebrate the kids. Completely understand why you just lurk! Way to insult a new poster. |
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 8, 2024 0:13:45 GMT -8
Long time lurker here. New as a poster. But, a lot of you ripping the coach have never coached and will never coach. This thread is on page 9. Nine pages of hating Tinkle. Are there better coaches out there? I'm sure there are. Will any of them come here to coach? No. Why should they? For recruits, it's death valley. We would have to pay them. In case you boys haven't noticed OSU men's basketball is on the clearance rack at K-Mart. For cos, it's the northwest gulag. There are a hundred ways in but no way out. Except maybe, death or retirement. So rather than spend nine pages crapping on the coaches perhaps you can discuss the players. The kids who show up day after day who really get few words of encouragement out of you people. Being on a winning team is easy. Being on a bad one is hard. Being on a mediocre one is the worst. Let's celebrate the kids. I don’t believe OSU is “death valley” for recruits. Ralph had no trouble getting kids here. So it isn’t OSU. There are coaches out there who would like to take over the program. Everyone has their own story, but somehow we got a guy named Riley to coach a traditionally bad football team and he turned the program around. Smith did too. But in my opinion, OSU doesn’t care enough. It’s the same sort of feeling that surrounded the football team for years. I think 10 pages is apropos for a coach like Tinkle, who neither shines enough to keep the program alive nor sucks enough to be axed. Ralph, Ralph, Ralph! When are people going to realize that was a different era? I think you are spot on about OSU treating basketball like they treated football for years. |
|
|
|
Post by ag87 on Feb 8, 2024 7:38:40 GMT -8
I don’t believe OSU is “death valley” for recruits. Ralph had no trouble getting kids here. So it isn’t OSU. There are coaches out there who would like to take over the program. Everyone has their own story, but somehow we got a guy named Riley to coach a traditionally bad football team and he turned the program around. Smith did too. But in my opinion, OSU doesn’t care enough. It’s the same sort of feeling that surrounded the football team for years. I think 10 pages is apropos for a coach like Tinkle, who neither shines enough to keep the program alive nor sucks enough to be axed. Ralph, Ralph, Ralph! When are people going to realize that was a different era? I think you are spot on about OSU treating basketball like they treated football for years. Can you imagine how many players would have entered the portal during the 1975 to 1985 period if it existed then. I remember a player making a mental error and Ralph would stand up, glare and point his finger at him, and then the finger would follow the player for 15 or 20 seconds. I think Ralph and Jimmy's strength was as evaluators and then as developers. Charlie Sitton was one publication's national player of the year. Gary Payton was extremely highly recruited. But after those two . . . I'm not sure if they had their choice of top 25 programs. OSU continued to win 20 to 25 games a year, despite active disinterest from the administration, because Ralph was such an ornery SOB. If he was 50 years old, in present times, I think he'd adjust his methodology with players. I also think he would do something to create more interest in the team from the students and community besides just winning more games. |
|
|
|
Post by lebaneaver on Feb 8, 2024 9:36:29 GMT -8
The SIMPLE answer is; OSU just doesn’t care (enough). Not a priority. And, there aren’t enough fans, donors, etc. demanding AND making possible change. I’m guilty of losing enthusiasm. I RARELY even think about the men’s hoop team unless I come to this forum.
|
|
|
|
Post by beaverinohio on Feb 8, 2024 9:50:26 GMT -8
I doubt if Altman's seat is warm. They have not made the dance the past few years, but this is his 14th season at Oregon, and he has had a winning record every year with at least 20 plus wins a season. Imo Oregon is not historically a good enough program to fire a coach who has had that much success. Both Few and Altman are in their 60s, the clock on retirement is ticking... I went back and re-read what the guy said about Altman, and I think it was more him calling it quits. Evidently he’s not a big fan of the move to the B1G. Again, this guy is pretty well connected, but I don’t believe in a lot of these cases he’s getting information straight from that particular coach. More of just what he’s hearing within the coaching community. He does have a pretty good track record when it comes to info on coaches as well as recruits, but by no means 100%. Things are fluid. |
|
|
|
Post by rgeorge on Feb 8, 2024 11:33:03 GMT -8
I doubt if Altman's seat is warm. They have not made the dance the past few years, but this is his 14th season at Oregon, and he has had a winning record every year with at least 20 plus wins a season. Imo Oregon is not historically a good enough program to fire a coach who has had that much success. Both Few and Altman are in their 60s, the clock on retirement is ticking... I went back and re-read what the guy said about Altman, and I think it was more him calling it quits. Evidently he’s not a big fan of the move to the B1G. Again, this guy is pretty well connected, but I don’t believe in a lot of these cases he’s getting information straight from that particular coach. More of just what he’s hearing within the coaching community. He does have a pretty good track record when it comes to info on coaches as well as recruits, but by no means 100%. Things are fluid. Former roomie at SC for a while, Oregon supporter on small scale, division head with Nike has told me DA met with the AD and Prez before the move. He is not a fan of the B10 move. He would strongly consider a job change if a good opening happened on the west coast. If Few retires that job would be highly coveted by many. Who knows if they hire from within again or want an older HC. As far as OSU goes DA would be a huge upgrade in recruiting skills, staffing, X's & O's. But, I personally don't want an immoral, arrogant douche as our next HC... whenever that happens. Plus he's not taking a pay cut and no Nike $ for "extras". There will be many talented, younger coaching candidates out there. |
|
|
|
Post by lavrentyyb on Feb 8, 2024 12:49:11 GMT -8
You had me until you indicated you had "multiple" friends. Well, I suppose if you suffer from multiple personality disorder. From now on ye shall be known as SYBIL. Meaning I've got more friends and personality than you have meaningful or intelligent posts! Can't wait for #15🤣 True, you have multiple personalities who believe each other are meaningful and intelligent. But I wouldn't call a street corner full of ho's your friends. |
|
|
|
Post by irimi on Feb 8, 2024 13:33:03 GMT -8
I don’t believe OSU is “death valley” for recruits. Ralph had no trouble getting kids here. So it isn’t OSU. There are coaches out there who would like to take over the program. Everyone has their own story, but somehow we got a guy named Riley to coach a traditionally bad football team and he turned the program around. Smith did too. But in my opinion, OSU doesn’t care enough. It’s the same sort of feeling that surrounded the football team for years. I think 10 pages is apropos for a coach like Tinkle, who neither shines enough to keep the program alive nor sucks enough to be axed. Ralph, Ralph, Ralph! When are people going to realize that was a different era? I think you are spot on about OSU treating basketball like they treated football for years. So you don't think that Miller would be successful in the modern day? Sure, the game has changed, but in essence, a coach that can coach well will always succeed. I think it is disingenuous to state that we found success before because it was a different era. You can't pin the lack of winning on the era. Regardless the era, basketball, like many sports, comes down to fundamentals, and that's one area that Tinkle's teams have always seemed to lack. This is why I think Ralph would find success as a coach even in this era. He knew what it takes to compete. |
|
|
|
Post by Judge Smails on Feb 8, 2024 13:58:45 GMT -8
Ralph, Ralph, Ralph! When are people going to realize that was a different era? I think you are spot on about OSU treating basketball like they treated football for years. So you don't think that Miller would be successful in the modern day? Sure, the game has changed, but in essence, a coach that can coach well will always succeed. I think it is disingenuous to state that we found success before because it was a different era. You can't pin the lack of winning on the era. Regardless the era, basketball, like many sports, comes down to fundamentals, and that's one area that Tinkle's teams have always seemed to lack. This is why I think Ralph would find success as a coach even in this era. He knew what it takes to compete. I don't think anyone is questioning his coaching ability. It's more his style. There's a reason that you don't see many task manager coaches still around. Players are "softer" now and would transfer at the drop of a hat if they were coached that way. You also can't compare the recruiting today to when Ralph coached. It was much more regionalized back then and that were very few prospects on the national radar. You didn't have to compete with schools all over the country for good players. That being said, I'm not defending Tinkle. I supported him for a long time, but after he screwed the pooch on recruiting the year after the E8 season, it's time for a fresh start. |
|
|
|
Post by rgeorge on Feb 8, 2024 13:59:12 GMT -8
Ralph, Ralph, Ralph! When are people going to realize that was a different era? I think you are spot on about OSU treating basketball like they treated football for years. So you don't think that Miller would be successful in the modern day? Sure, the game has changed, but in essence, a coach that can coach well will always succeed. I think it is disingenuous to state that we found success before because it was a different era. You can't pin the lack of winning on the era. Regardless the era, basketball, like many sports, comes down to fundamentals, and that's one area that Tinkle's teams have always seemed to lack. This is why I think Ralph would find success as a coach even in this era. He knew what it takes to compete. Of course he would. He was old school in many many regards but showed as very flexible in his later seasons. Especially in recruiting. He also mellowed some during practices. But, if he was coaching now means he wouldn't have jumped from the 80's to 2024. He'd have been part of the now. If a man of Miller's background can gain the respect and connection to a player like GP he would have fared just fine. He also recruited tough kids that could handle discipline. Tougher to find these days, but they're out there. Plus he was smart enough to delegate and would have found a staff to adapt. But, again all speculative. However, the real moot point is that there are plenty of talented coaches that would take a job like OSU... as is... that wouldn't see all the negatives that some here do. |
|
|
|
Post by beaver94 on Feb 8, 2024 14:22:24 GMT -8
So you don't think that Miller would be successful in the modern day? Sure, the game has changed, but in essence, a coach that can coach well will always succeed. I think it is disingenuous to state that we found success before because it was a different era. You can't pin the lack of winning on the era. Regardless the era, basketball, like many sports, comes down to fundamentals, and that's one area that Tinkle's teams have always seemed to lack. This is why I think Ralph would find success as a coach even in this era. He knew what it takes to compete. I don't think anyone is questioning his coaching ability. It's more his style. There's a reason that you don't see many task manager coaches still around. Players are "softer" now and would transfer at the drop of a hat if they were coached that way. You also can't compare the recruiting today to when Ralph coached. It was much more regionalized back then and that were very few prospects on the national radar. You didn't have to compete with schools all over the country for good players. That being said, I'm not defending Tinkle. I supported him for a long time, but after he screwed the pooch on recruiting the year after the E8 season, it's time for a fresh start. I was even willing to give them a small pass on the recruiting mistakes after the E8 appearance. I felt like maybe there was a possibility that they missed something they might have caught if not for Covid protocols affecting how they could recruit. Then it felt like after the mistake nothing was really done to remedy it during the season and they just hoped it would all work out. There were obvious issues on that team, even to someone with no inside knowledge. That’s where I really felt they screwed up and lost a lot of my support. |
|
