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Road Kill
Jan 20, 2024 14:51:19 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 20, 2024 14:51:19 GMT -8
Gotta acknowledge the fact that those 3 bad seasons heavily skew an already bad road trip record. Gotta admit that 6 of Tinkle's 9 full season records so far meet or beat 22 of the 25 seasons prior to his arrival and the only NCAA trips in those 34 seasons were the 2 under Tinkle. Focus on what you want, but we've sucked worse, for a long time, before Tinkle's arrival. What does the past have to do with the present? That's nothing but excuse making for ineptitude. Does any good program with a downturn then just accept a "crap" program. "Crap" is a strong word, but people keep trying to use bias data samples to justify a crappy record. Every season counts when looking a program 9+ season along. The program is in the 3rd year of poor recruiting and play after an E8. WT's "history" is all that matters when judging WT. |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 20, 2024 15:00:49 GMT -8
The new NIL/transfer portal era will continue to magnify OSU MBB problems with bad recruiting and players leaving. It will give wealthy programs a greater advantage with high school recruits (look at the advantage Oregon has over OSU in this state with recruiting). NIL and the transporter will also incentivize the best Beaver MBB players to leave for better team and NIL money once they're developed in the Beaver system. It was different when players had to sit a year when transferring.
This is something Jimmy, Eddie, Ritchie, Jay and Craig never had to deal with at OSU.
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Jan 20, 2024 15:29:53 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 20, 2024 15:29:53 GMT -8
Hmmmm...
So, I wonder what all those recruits early in WT would say? I mean most left well before a portal (2018) & NIL (2021) existed. WT's only two classes that were below the usual #75-80+ national ranking?
And, since there seems to be plenty of schools recruiting, winning despite dealing with the portal and less NIL potential. Since WT's latest classes are well above the #65 national ranking of the amount of P5 schools, many smaller programs are doing better. And, #175 class for 2023 means?
Good news for the apologists, the NIL and portal will be here for you to continue to use.
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Post by beaverology on Jan 20, 2024 15:34:06 GMT -8
Colorado State, Nevada, San Diego State, etc all have better MBB programs than OSU does and none of those coaches, esp Nico would take the OSU job. After 6 failed coaches in a row over the last 35 years, the entire west coast knows what a heavy lift the OSU MBB program is. Hard pass. People here still think we're just one coach away.
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Jan 20, 2024 15:47:06 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 20, 2024 15:47:06 GMT -8
Colorado State, Boise State, San Diego State, etc all have better MBB programs than OSU does and none of those coaches, esp Nico would take the OSU job. After 6 failed coaches in a row over the last 35 years, the entire west coast knows what a heavy lift the OSU MBB program is. Hard pass. People here still think we're just one coach away. And many more are better. And it isn't because of the portal or NIL. Yep... one away from trying to improve on less than mediocre. Funny, folks seem to think they know a good coach doesn't exist that would take the OSU job. Mind readers of thousands! I'll take any bet that OSU doesn't have multiple applicants when it opens. Successful? We'd have to see! But, of course what will those that currently defend this ineptitude do when a change is made? Yeah... we can all guess. Some will flip. Some will still spout excuses... it's not the Pac12 of course their winning more, etc, etc, etc. Someday... |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 20, 2024 16:06:18 GMT -8
Offer Shantay Legans the job and you'll be able to hear the laughter from NE PDX all the way to Corvallis. I've followed the last 2 MBB hires. In the end, I think WT was the only one who would take the job, and look what it's done to him. Ask Jimmy, Jay and Craig what they're up to these days.
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Jan 20, 2024 16:21:12 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 20, 2024 16:21:12 GMT -8
Offer Shantay Legans the job and you'll be able to hear the laughter from NE PDX all the way to Corvallis. I've followed the last 2 MBB hires. In the end, I think WT was the only one who would take the job, and look what it's done to him. Ask Jimmy, Jay and Craig what they're up to these days. 🤣🤣 |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 20, 2024 16:27:43 GMT -8
Wazzu fans probably thought the same. Then Kyle Smith took the job and the last two years he has had a winning pac12 record and this year is 4-3. But then pullman is in a huge media market and their NIL is huge (sarcasm). So yes there are people that would take a challenging job. Now if Tinks would pull a GaryAndersen and just walk away.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 20, 2024 16:32:01 GMT -8
Wazzu fans probably thought the same. Then Kyle Smith took the job and the last two years he has had a winning pac12 record and this year is 4-3. But then pullman is in a huge media market and their NIL is huge (sarcasm). So yes there are people that would take a challenging job. Now if Tinks would pull a GaryAndersen and just walk away. I think they pay the players with cougar gold. Ummmmm….cheese. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 20, 2024 16:37:38 GMT -8
It is tiring when some, often one, continue to say no one will ever take the job because of past history. 25 years ago a certain guy by the name of Mike riley took what some would call a dead end job (27 years of losing) and gave it life. The football program is now on solid footing. Just shut the hell up about no one would take the job. We have our own example of somebody that brought a dead program to life.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 20, 2024 16:55:55 GMT -8
It is tiring when some, often one, continue to say no one will ever take the job because of past history. 25 years ago a certain guy by the name of Mike riley took what some would call a dead end job (27 years of losing) and gave it life. The football program is now on solid footing. Just shut the hell up about no one would take the job. We have our own example of somebody that brought a dead program to life. It really difficult when a perfect example in hoops already happened at OSU. I believe some may say the program in the worst shape ever(although not a $ maker) was the WBB pre-Rueck. Not even enough for a roster! And although a small school he seemed "pretty" successful and could have had other jobs. But, even as an alumnus no one thought the WBB could reach the heights it did. Seems good coaching is good coaching. (Not that SR doesn't have his own issues atvtimes) There are hundreds of Scott Ruecks out there. And, only those prone to histrionics and no sense of reality would pretend otherwise. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 20, 2024 16:56:02 GMT -8
There have been comments made as to how much tinkle is owed if he is canned. Yes it's substantial. But no one comments how much the athletic department isn't making because of poor ticket sales and the donations that go with it. Ticket sales alone say an extra 5000 tickets at 20 per X 15 home games. 1.5 million without donations. Barnes needs to look at the whole picture.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 20, 2024 16:58:41 GMT -8
Gotta acknowledge the fact that those 3 bad seasons heavily skew an already bad road trip record. Gotta admit that 6 of Tinkle's 9 full season records so far meet or beat 22 of the 25 seasons prior to his arrival and the only NCAA trips in those 34 seasons were the 2 under Tinkle. Focus on what you want, but we've sucked worse, for a long time, before Tinkle's arrival. What does the past have to do with the present? That's nothing but excuse making for ineptitude. Does any good program with a downturn then just accept a "crap" program. "Crap" is a strong word, but people keep trying to use bias data samples to justify a crappy record. Every season counts when looking a program 9+ season along. The program is in the 3rd year of poor recruiting and play after an E8. WT's "history" is all that matters when judging WT. If you truly are addressing the present, you let the present play out. If, at the end of the season it still lookd dire, fire with all barrels. I believe mid-season firings, and talk of firings in mid-season, should be based on misconduct. In my book, support the team through the season is the "right thing to do". They don't need the noise, and that includes noise supposedly directed at the coach. If you/your other identity hadn't gotten kicked off the board a couple years back it would have been interesting how you'd have squared the 8 win season as of Feb 1st with the Elite 8 run. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 20, 2024 17:12:29 GMT -8
A guy getting nearly 3 million a year should get alot of criticism for the current state of the program. You are welcome.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 20, 2024 17:16:44 GMT -8
It is tiring when some, often one, continue to say no one will ever take the job because of past history. 25 years ago a certain guy by the name of Mike riley took what some would call a dead end job (27 years of losing) and gave it life. The football program is now on solid footing. Just shut the hell up about no one would take the job. We have our own example of somebody that brought a dead program to life. It really difficult when a perfect example in hoops already happened at OSU. I believe some may say the program in the worst shape ever(although not a $ maker) was the WBB pre-Rueck. Not even enough for a roster! And although a small school he seemed "pretty" successful and could have had other jobs. But, even as an alumnus no one thought the WBB could reach the heights it did. Seems good coaching is good coaching. (Not that SR doesn't have his own issues atvtimes) There are hundreds of Scott Ruecks out there. And, only those prone to histrionics and no sense of reality would pretend otherwise. Scott Rueck inherited a mess of a team that had recently huge drama, yet it was just 1 year removed from a 20 win season. It had not been downtrodden for 24 years. |
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