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Jan 18, 2024 14:42:41 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 18, 2024 14:42:41 GMT -8
I really like Rataj and think he will be a very nice Pac-12 level player for us if he stays the next 2 years. I would hope he doesn't leave. I do think there could be portal players at approximately his level available in April. A few weeks ago we had people on the football forum saying we're doomed talent-wise for next year. I think whether our players choose to stay or not next year will depend on how the season goes. Last year at this time we only had 7 wins, and we only got 4 more. Yet all but all but 1 significant player stayed. This year we're up to 9 wins, we've had a chance to win in 5-6 of our losses, and there's a lot of season left. A few years back, same coach, the Beavs didn't win their 9th game until February, yet by some "fluke", as some call it, ended up doing more than ok. I'm waiting to see how the season goes. Then I'll wait to see if the kids stick around or not, if we have the same coaches or not, and if we get some new portal players or not. It's hard to say what might happen. I doubt we're the only Pac-12 team in that boat. At this point in 2021, Oregon State was 5-4, having just lost to Stanford at Gill by 10. Some gems from the official thread in 2021: Only person that doesn't seem to know Thompson isn't a point guard is Tinkle.geez sTINK-ball rears its ugly head again. Year 7.... still NO recognizable/effective offensive sets! I guess we're ok with living and dying by chucking up 3's...if that's the case, we need better shooters. It's ok to sit Ethan sometimes...38 mins is too much...and he is NOT a point guard. TW's post game pressers are painful to listen to...ugh. Its year 7. Its been the same for the previous 6. Change isn't going to happen. Oregon State lost the next home game against Arizona by 34 before turning things around. 5-2 in Corvallis after that and 4-5 on the road. Then, six straight neutral site games to put up the best season finish in the past 60 years. Oregon State only has eight left on the road. Need to go at least 9-6 the rest of the way. The issue is that the next three look to be three of the four most difficult of the remaining game and five of the next six will be five of the six most difficult remaining games. Arizona State is near a must-win, and Oregon State probably needs to steal one or both from UCLA and USC, just to make the backstretch more manageable. No reason to believe this won’t happen again. Ha ha ha ha ha…. Sorry, I tried! |
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Jan 18, 2024 16:08:30 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 18, 2024 16:08:30 GMT -8
At this point in 2021, Oregon State was 5-4, having just lost to Stanford at Gill by 10. Some gems from the official thread in 2021: Oregon State lost the next home game against Arizona by 34 before turning things around. 5-2 in Corvallis after that and 4-5 on the road. Then, six straight neutral site games to put up the best season finish in the past 60 years. Oregon State only has eight left on the road. Need to go at least 9-6 the rest of the way. The issue is that the next three look to be three of the four most difficult of the remaining game and five of the next six will be five of the six most difficult remaining games. Arizona State is near a must-win, and Oregon State probably needs to steal one or both from UCLA and USC, just to make the backstretch more manageable. No reason to believe this won’t happen again. Ha ha ha ha ha…. Sorry, I tried! In 2021, Oregon State lost to Stanford at home by 10. In 2024, Oregon State lost to Stanford by four in overtime. And several on here respond with nonsensical and over-the-top apocalyptic nonsense. If the 2021 Oregon State Beavers could rebound to go to the Elite Eight, the sky is the limit for the 2024 Oregon State Beavers. That said, in 2021, same as 2024, Oregon State was actually scheduled to travel to Salt Lake City and then to Boulder after losing to Stanford. However, those two games were delayed because of COVID-19. The Colorado game was delayed until February 8, 2021, a rare Monday game, two days after the win over Wazzu and three days before the road trip to Tucson. And Colorado won by 29. The Utah game was rescheduled to March 3, 2021, between the road trip to Stanford and the Civil War regular season ender. Despite losing to Stanford in Corvallis earlier in the season, Oregon State swept the Bay Area teams at the end of February and stretched the winning streak to three with a a 75-70 win over Utah in Salt Lake City. The win over Utah with Arizona State's loss to Colorado and Stanford's loss to USC to end their season clinched the all-important five-seed for Oregon State in 2021. That 75-70 win over Utah was the first time since 1993 that Oregon State won three straight road games without an intervening home loss since 1993. 5+ point win in Salt Lake City would be great. |
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Jan 18, 2024 16:55:03 GMT -8
Post by rgeorge on Jan 18, 2024 16:55:03 GMT -8
If everyone already here stays, do you actually think this team will get worse? Freshmen and sophomore heavy teams usually improve a fair amount when they become upperclassman heavy teams that have stayed together a couple years. Heck, that even happened during the Blume/Radford/Johnson years. Granted their early years were at a higher level than our current team, but their ceiling went up as the team aged, I expect this team’s ceiling will raise some as well. You know it's a bad year when the fans are already looking for the next year. And, it's based on everyone staying... and past history has any relationship regarding the current team/season?! I guess if you want to go pull out select/bias data you could find info that counters that BS. But, why... as it too is meaningless. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 18, 2024 20:13:23 GMT -8
No reason to believe this won’t happen again. Ha ha ha ha ha…. Sorry, I tried! In 2021, Oregon State lost to Stanford at home by 10. In 2024, Oregon State lost to Stanford by four in overtime. And several on here respond with nonsensical and over-the-top apocalyptic nonsense. If the 2021 Oregon State Beavers could rebound to go to the Elite Eight, the sky is the limit for the 2024 Oregon State Beavers. That said, in 2021, same as 2024, Oregon State was actually scheduled to travel to Salt Lake City and then to Boulder after losing to Stanford. However, those two games were delayed because of COVID-19. The Colorado game was delayed until February 8, 2021, a rare Monday game, two days after the win over Wazzu and three days before the road trip to Tucson. And Colorado won by 29. The Utah game was rescheduled to March 3, 2021, between the road trip to Stanford and the Civil War regular season ender. Despite losing to Stanford in Corvallis earlier in the season, Oregon State swept the Bay Area teams at the end of February and stretched the winning streak to three with a a 75-70 win over Utah in Salt Lake City. The win over Utah with Arizona State's loss to Colorado and Stanford's loss to USC to end their season clinched the all-important five-seed for Oregon State in 2021. That 75-70 win over Utah was the first time since 1993 that Oregon State won three straight road games without an intervening home loss since 1993. 5+ point win in Salt Lake City would be great. Maybe Colorado. |
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Jan 18, 2024 20:33:22 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 18, 2024 20:33:22 GMT -8
In 2021, Oregon State lost to Stanford at home by 10. In 2024, Oregon State lost to Stanford by four in overtime. And several on here respond with nonsensical and over-the-top apocalyptic nonsense. If the 2021 Oregon State Beavers could rebound to go to the Elite Eight, the sky is the limit for the 2024 Oregon State Beavers. That said, in 2021, same as 2024, Oregon State was actually scheduled to travel to Salt Lake City and then to Boulder after losing to Stanford. However, those two games were delayed because of COVID-19. The Colorado game was delayed until February 8, 2021, a rare Monday game, two days after the win over Wazzu and three days before the road trip to Tucson. And Colorado won by 29. The Utah game was rescheduled to March 3, 2021, between the road trip to Stanford and the Civil War regular season ender. Despite losing to Stanford in Corvallis earlier in the season, Oregon State swept the Bay Area teams at the end of February and stretched the winning streak to three with a a 75-70 win over Utah in Salt Lake City. The win over Utah with Arizona State's loss to Colorado and Stanford's loss to USC to end their season clinched the all-important five-seed for Oregon State in 2021. That 75-70 win over Utah was the first time since 1993 that Oregon State won three straight road games without an intervening home loss since 1993. 5+ point win in Salt Lake City would be great. Maybe Colorado. It seemed like Colorado was more likely. @ Utah, @ Colorado, and Arizona are three of the four most difficult games left on Oregon State's schedule. |
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Jan 18, 2024 20:49:49 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 18, 2024 20:49:49 GMT -8
It seemed like Colorado was more likely. @ Utah, @ Colorado, and Arizona are three of the four most difficult games left on Oregon State's schedule. Might want to toss in @ Oregon. Getting Bittle back soon and their big man this weekend. |
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Jan 18, 2024 20:53:51 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 18, 2024 20:53:51 GMT -8
It seemed like Colorado was more likely. @ Utah, @ Colorado, and Arizona are three of the four most difficult games left on Oregon State's schedule. Might want to toss in @ Oregon. Getting Bittle back soon and their big man this weekend. That is the fourth game. @ Utah, @ Colorado, an Arizona are all in a row. A win in any of the four would be great, but highly unlikely. I would like to see at least nine wins in the games remaining, and that seems like a tall order without stealing at least one of the most difficult four. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 19, 2024 3:29:59 GMT -8
As depressing as last night’s score was, I realized something even more depressing this morning. If the Beavers get to 5 wins in conference (I know, seems far fetched after that game) again this year, they will have a slightly better record than last year, which will undoubtedly lead to some to label this season an improvement over last year and calling for WT to have a chance to see what this group can do as juniors. Of course, the current group of players might have different plans.
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Jan 19, 2024 10:09:56 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 19, 2024 10:09:56 GMT -8
As depressing as last night’s score was, I realized something even more depressing this morning. If the Beavers get to 5 wins in conference (I know, seems far fetched after that game) again this year, they will have a slightly better record than last year, which will undoubtedly lead to some to label this season an improvement over last year and calling for WT to have a chance to see what this group can do as juniors. Of course, the current group of players might have different plans. I think that was a very similar sentiment made after last season?! I mean the improvement from frosh to soph, knowing the system is typically huge right?? |
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Jan 19, 2024 10:21:34 GMT -8
Post by beaverology on Jan 19, 2024 10:21:34 GMT -8
The only thing saving WT from being fired is his buyout. If his contract was up, he'd be gone. After this season, the buyout will be $8.7M. Assuming that's too much, let's say he gets another year. After 2024-25 it will be down to $5.9M. That's still a lot considering OSU will have to make a critical hire to replace him (i.e pay 2 MBB head coaching salaries at the same time). How much should OSU spend on a new coach?
Kyle Smith of WSU makes $1.5M
Nico Medved of CSU makes $1.1M
Craig Smith of Utah makes $1.9M
Both Smith and Medved should be considered flight risks as they're both gonna be targets for other schools in the SEC and Big10. That would be a nice problem to have from where Oregon State sits right now.
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Jan 19, 2024 13:54:11 GMT -8
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Post by ag87 on Jan 19, 2024 13:54:11 GMT -8
I don't envy Barnes. What do you do? You would like to have Pope, Bilodeau, Rataj and others stick around. Can you convince Tinkle to take less than 8.7m? Or spread it out over 10 years? Where does the money come from? Maybe a miracle will occurs; the team gels and gets eight conference wins.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 19, 2024 16:31:24 GMT -8
The back half of the schedule is so pillowy soft in comparison to this stretch. I would be very surprised and disappointed if there are not at least four wins over the final 13 games. Honestly, I will be disappointed if there are not at least eight wins over the final 13 games.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 19, 2024 17:22:16 GMT -8
The back half of the schedule is so pillowy soft in comparison to this stretch. I would be very surprised and disappointed if there are not at least four wins over the final 13 games. Honestly, I will be disappointed if there are not at least eight wins over the final 13 games. Eight wins is kinda pushing it, but there's a lot of season left. |
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Jan 19, 2024 19:29:48 GMT -8
Post by rgeorge on Jan 19, 2024 19:29:48 GMT -8
The back half of the schedule is so pillowy soft in comparison to this stretch. I would be very surprised and disappointed if there are not at least four wins over the final 13 games. Honestly, I will be disappointed if there are not at least eight wins over the final 13 games. Eight wins is kinda pushing it, but there's a lot of season left. Agree... where does anyone realistically see (8) more wins? I'll put all 14 remaining games below: @ Buffs Arizona ASU @ UCLA @ SC WSU UW @ ASU Oregon @ Cal @ Stanford @ Oregon Utah Colorado New 14-game poll anyone? You're sure they are W's Possible/probably not W's You're sure they are L's Not sure the making negative predictions is all that fun. But, leaving LA I can see this team being 3-8 at best. Then it will depend on what the locker room is like... I think?? |
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Jan 19, 2024 19:41:15 GMT -8
Post by beaverology on Jan 19, 2024 19:41:15 GMT -8
Never seen so much OSU MBB schadenfreude by Beaver. We have the worst MBB program in the conference. Our coach isn't good. We have the worst NIL and worst recruiting in the conference and now our players are getting poached. Yet this guy piles on and loves every minute of it. So much passion for watching the Beavers lose, then breaking down all the bad in detail.
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