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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 7, 2024 17:27:02 GMT -8
With respect to rebounds, they have the highest average margin in the country. Not happy about losing the rebound battle, but can understand it.
Raegan has a tendency to get called for offensive fouls. Perhaps we'd be better off having Rees setting more of those high picks. She's seemed somewhat lost since conference play started. Foul trouble for her is much less problematical than for Raegan.
I always said our young guards would probably get schooled once conference play started, and that has happened. We move on; bounce back next weekend against the Arizona schools at home.
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Post by standerd on Jan 7, 2024 17:41:29 GMT -8
Just another game where a couple of key cogs didn’t execute. Against a team like fucla, we needed everyone to play well. And…. I’m concerned about Beers being able to play necessary minutes when the goddamn “officials” appear eager to blow the whistle on her if she BREATHES on someone. The other coaches in the league are making damn sure of that. Pisses me off. I thought Scott made a tactical error keeping her on the bench down the stretch. The deficit became too much to overcome. Next time Yes, I would like to see more push back from SR when Beers is getting hammered under the basket and getting no calls. We have got to stop being timid and polite about this. This is year number 2 of this.
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osu82
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Post by osu82 on Jan 7, 2024 17:59:26 GMT -8
Two of our starters averaged 22.5 minutes each, and scored a combined total of zero points.
Ouch.
Yeah, like was mentioned on the USC thread, it might be time to start Gardiner and move Rees coming off the bench. Rees had a nice non-conference, but has just one free throw in conference play. Imo, start your best 5.
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Post by grad1973 on Jan 7, 2024 18:42:00 GMT -8
Put dom in she is a point machine. Starters at UCLA HAD 4 5ths of their points total our starting line up amounted to 37 points. Coach used to much dribbling br]from talia but no production from her and hunter can pass just as well. Give hunter the reigns. We need the triangle offense or a motion offense where we get better offensive looks. Where was the double screen we used to use at the top of the key for our shooters. Break those kids loose. They forced our guards out of their confort zone this took us out of our rythm. They played smart defense except with beers the stud
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Post by lotrader on Jan 7, 2024 18:46:48 GMT -8
As usual, some really great observations. In the larger picture, our very young team played well for their 1st PAC-12 road trip. No question, we had the USC game within reach, but UCLA is a much better team than USC. Every game, coaches learn a lot about their players. I too, think it is time to start Gardiner with Beers in the front court. Kelsey is a solid backup. Donovyn is amazing and coaches need to call more offensive sets for Donovyn. I am extremely happy to see Paurova getting more minutes. We need Domonika to get more comfortable. That block of KiKi Rice's shot at the rim was incredible. KiKi Rice rarely gets stuffed at the rim. Dom also did a lot of other nice things and she is capable of penetrating, which none of our other guards had much success doing today. Adlee hit her 1st 3, and nearly got her 2nd 3 but rimmed out. AJ was really off today. Want Adlee to get more minutes.
All in all, a split would have been great. But I think the timing of this road trip being so early is going to help OSU a great deal. Experiencing playing on TOP 10 Team's court and learning what its going to take to win on the road will prove invaluable as OSU goes through the PAC-12. GO BEAVS!
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 7, 2024 18:55:54 GMT -8
after going 0-2 in Los Angeles, RPI all the way up to #21
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beav74
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Post by beav74 on Jan 7, 2024 19:48:24 GMT -8
I don't understand...down by 9 Raegan gets her 4th foul with 4:53 to go in the game and she's on the bench. Is it so she can play the last 1:47 down by 13?
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Post by grayman on Jan 7, 2024 20:11:50 GMT -8
It would have been nice to get a split in LA but IMO the chances went down significantly when they came up short against USC. UCLA is obviously a very good team. I don't know if they are truly the second-best in the nation but still. The Beavers are going to have to figure out how to creat more offense, especially when Beers is on the bench. TVO stepped up at USC but there just wasn't enough today. But even with the two losses, my belief that this team can do some damage in the Pac-12 hasn't wavered. Got to win at home most of the time and do a little better on the road.
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 7, 2024 20:44:48 GMT -8
UCLA starting guards outplayed the Beavs starters, but that should have been expected. Interesting enough though, their starting guards/wings played 27 minutes more than the Beaver starters. UCLA guards/wings played 35, 36, and 32 minutes each. No Beaver even played 32 minutes. Beers had a better game statistically than both their starting bigs combined (Betts and Dugalic). I get how there are questions as to why Raegan didn't play more toward the end, but she did play 31 minutes and she plays hard, and she bangs around and hits the floor a lot. I think you need to be careful with her amount of time of the floor. She didn't play a ton of minutes against USC, so that helps, but this team has played most of the fall with only one game a week. I don't know yet how ready these players are at going hard for two games. They are probably prepared, but still... Beavs didn't win either game, but they didn't get blown out. If they can play defense the way they have, they won't get blown out. They held USC to .323 shooting and UCLA to .400. 3pt shooting did hurt a bit though. Despite all that, you have to win, and win on the road, and not lose the home games to have a successful season. Beavs still need to prove they can accomplish those things, but they definitely look stronger than last year. Raegan and Donovyn have become the consistent players, with everyone else having ups and down nights offensively.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 7, 2024 22:54:34 GMT -8
THese were two yardstick games playing competition that we hadn't seen this year, and competition our frosh hadn't seen ever. Pretty darn good performance for a road trip. THere's going to be a lot of teams that go 0-2 in LA this year, and many won't keep it anywhere near that close. I thought we'd have a least one of these games get away from us, and that didn't happen. If this team follows the usual progression, the measurement this weekend provided for the early Pac-12 season leaves me quite hopeful for March.
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lefty
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Post by lefty on Jan 8, 2024 12:06:42 GMT -8
Not very high on Rees on offense or defense. One bad play after another. Some changes need to be made in strategy and personnel. Also it seems like Donovan is dribbling too much with no screens or purpose. We are turning down too many open shots and not spreading the floor. Again no true point guard. Way too many desperation shots with the shot clock running down to zero.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 8, 2024 12:46:23 GMT -8
Not very high on Rees on offense or defense. One bad play after another. Some changes need to be made in strategy and personnel. Also it seems like Donovan is dribbling too much with no screens or purpose. We are turning down too many open shots and not spreading the floor. Again no true point guard. Way too many desperation shots with the shot clock running down to zero. OSU dribbles too much no matter who has the ball. Donovan is young and handling herself well, but she isn't the "answer" (yet) when facing quality and experience at that position. It is a lot of the same issue with the MBB program. With (1) or no real instead presence the ball is on the outside far too much, typically being dribbled to move the ball vs the creation of passing lanes with off-ball movement. Part of the issue with SR's construct is you much have great off ball movement or the defense will take away reversals/ball movement. OSU seems to be stuck on one side of the court too often. Every so often Beers will find an opposite diagonal, but people are just standing/waiting and the passing lanes are very tight. There simply needs to be more off ball movement, being harder to guard especially when the ball goes inside. Simple "exchanges" make the defense turn their head to find movement and open windows. OSU has looked good vs below par defensive teams, but are too stagnant vs better athletes that close down lanes and can get to stationary shooters. The good news is is more of an OSU issue that can be adjusted than a lack of ability/talent. Rees is what she is... same as when with Utah. She got a bit too much hype on here due to the quality of the NC competition. She is a backup that can provided some versatile, valuable minutes in that role. But, you can't expect much more, that is not who she is.
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Post by standerd on Jan 8, 2024 13:05:57 GMT -8
About the dribbling; I agree that there is too much dribbling at the top of the key with none to often relatively ineffective penetration toward the basket; although Paurova has shown that she can effectively drive to the bucket and score, as has Hunter. I think part of this has to do with the wings being parked on each side of the court waiting to receive the ball for a 3 attempt, which is often missed. I wonder what 5 players moving at the same time might look like. Oh yeah, USC and UCLA.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 8, 2024 15:28:47 GMT -8
Not very high on Rees on offense or defense. One bad play after another. Some changes need to be made in strategy and personnel. Also it seems like Donovan is dribbling too much with no screens or purpose. We are turning down too many open shots and not spreading the floor. Again no true point guard. Way too many desperation shots with the shot clock running down to zero. OSU dribbles too much no matter who has the ball. Donovan is young and handling herself well, but she isn't the "answer" (yet) when facing quality and experience at that position. It is a lot of the same issue with the MBB program. With (1) or no real instead presence the ball is on the outside far too much, typically being dribbled to move the ball vs the creation of passing lanes with off-ball movement. Part of the issue with SR's construct is you much have great off ball movement or the defense will take away reversals/ball movement. OSU seems to be stuck on one side of the court too often. Every so often Beers will find an opposite diagonal, but people are just standing/waiting and the passing lanes are very tight. There simply needs to be more off ball movement, being harder to guard especially when the ball goes inside. Simple "exchanges" make the defense turn their head to find movement and open windows. OSU has looked good vs below par defensive teams, but are too stagnant vs better athletes that close down lanes and can get to stationary shooters. The good news is is more of an OSU issue that can be adjusted than a lack of ability/talent. Rees is what she is... same as when with Utah. She got a bit too much hype on here due to the quality of the NC competition. She is a backup that can provided some versatile, valuable minutes in that role. But, you can't expect much more, that is not who she is. I've noticed we get better ball movement with Timea at the high post, and better high post to low post (Raegan) passing. Ball gets stuck when it comes into Kelsey and Kelsey gets pushed around & knocked off center by even small defenders. I like Kelsey, but it is time to insert Timea into the starting lineup. Timea has earned it with her rebounding, passing and shooting. It's a waste to not have Timea in the starting lineup.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 8, 2024 15:39:45 GMT -8
Not very high on Rees on offense or defense. One bad play after another. Some changes need to be made in strategy and personnel. Also it seems like Donovan is dribbling too much with no screens or purpose. We are turning down too many open shots and not spreading the floor. Again no true point guard. Way too many desperation shots with the shot clock running down to zero. Coaches are putting a lot on Donovyn. In the UCLA game, I wish coach had given Dono more help in getting the ball across mid court. Takes a lot of energy to bring the ball up court vs UCLA. It wouldn't matter what PG was in the lineup, the offense is dictating the amount of dribbling. Dono is doing a fine job with what is being asked of her. I would like to see Dono take more mid-range shots or take the ball to the rack off of the high screen. Aleah Goodman did this so well her junior/senior years. I'm so impressed with Dono, and know her game will grow as she gets more reps. Have to remember they are freshmen and while they are ready to play, there is no substitute for experience.
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