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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 5, 2024 12:01:30 GMT -8
As I've said before, one of the things(maybe the only thing) I respect about the SEC is their strong bond. They may hate each other on the field, but they stick together like glue and recognize a united whole is far greater than the sum of it's parts.
While UW administration has demonstrated the exact opposite behavior in regard to our conference, I am finding it difficult not to do what I've always done, and that's pull for a Pacific Athletic Conference team over their bowl opponent (there's one exception to this of course, but it doesn't involve UW).
UW has faced UM four times in bowl games with a 2-2 record. One of those games included UW's claimed 91' national title beating UM 34-14 in the Rose Bowl. They played UM again the next year in the RB and lost 31-38. I vaguely remember both games and a big difference was Steve Emtmen not playing in the 92" game, apparently he was still in the 91' UM's backfield, or maybe he was out of eligibility.
I was reading through some UW football history and came across something I found a bit surprising and interesting. Much has been made about their close game with ASU this year and how lucky they were to win. What's interesting is, ASU has historically had UW's number. That surprised me a bit. UW's record vs ASU? 18-22 (.450).
UW has a winning record against all conference teams minus USC, UCLA, and ASU. Sure ASU has had some good seasons in the past and likewise UW has had some bad ones, but we're talking 40 games. Apparently there is something about ASU that gives UW problems so maybe that was the case in this years game as well. It doesn't make sense, but there it is in a 40 game record.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 5, 2024 14:34:04 GMT -8
As I've said before, one of the things(maybe the only thing) I respect about the SEC is their strong bond. They may hate each other on the field, but they stick together like glue and recognize a united whole is far greater than the sum of it's parts. While UW administration has demonstrated the exact opposite behavior in regard to our conference, I am finding it difficult not to do what I've always done, and that's pull for a Pacific Athletic Conference team over their bowl opponent (there's one exception to this of course, but it doesn't involve UW). UW has faced UM four times in bowl games with a 2-2 record. One of those games included UW's claimed 91' national title beating UM 34-14 in the Rose Bowl. They played UM again the next year in the RB and lost 31-38. I vaguely remember both games and a big difference was Steve Emtmen not playing in the 92" game, apparently he was still in the 91' UM's backfield, or maybe he was out of eligibility.
I was reading through some UW football history and came across something I found a bit surprising and interesting. Much has been made about their close game with ASU this year and how lucky they were to win. What's interesting is, ASU has historically had UW's number. That surprised me a bit. UW's record vs ASU? 18-22 (.450).
UW has a winning record against all conference teams minus USC, UCLA, and ASU. Sure ASU has had some good seasons in the past and likewise UW has had some bad ones, but we're talking 40 games. Apparently there is something about ASU that gives UW problems so maybe that was the case in this years game as well. It doesn't make sense, but there it is in a 40 game record. USC won three consecutive Pac-10 Championships from 1987-1989. Washington won the next three Pac-10 Championships Steve Emtman (singular, not plural) was a sophomore on the 1990 team and a junior on the 1991 National Championship team. Emtman declared after the 1992 Rose Bowl and was the first pick in the 1992 NFL Draft. He played on Indianapolis' horrific Astroturf. He blew out his left knee in 1992 and tore his patellar tendon in his right knee in 1993. No player had ever returned after a patellar tendon tear, but he returned in 1994 and ruptured a disc in his neck in his first game back, requiring season-ending surgery. Emtman did not play an entire season until playing for the 1995 Dolphins. He had a generally more-productive 1996 campaign for the Dolphins, but those were his best two seasons. He retired after his three-game 1997 campaign with the Redskins. Several things about Arizona State-Washington. First, Arizona State and Washington have only played 39 times. Arizona State's number is 40, because they errantly count a loss against Wazzu as a loss against Washington. This affects their Wazzu series record as well. Second, as for the all-time record, that is up for debate. I believe that Arizona State has it down as 22-18 (with the extra Wazzu loss, 22-17 otherwise). However, Arizona State forfeited their 1979 games to both Oregon State and Washington. Thus, Washington has their record down as 21-18. Oregon State's media guide people are pretty bad and continue to count the forfeit win over Arizona State in 1979 as a loss. Third, Tempe is a notoriously difficult place for the Northwest teams to play at during the regular season. Arizona State is 20-5 all-time against Oregon State in Tempe, and three of those wins came in the 1960s. Since the ball dropped in 1970, Arizona State is 19-2 all-time against Oregon State in Tempe. In the 40 years and six days between September 27, 1969, and October 3, 2009, Arizona State was a perfect 16-0 in the Beavers' Tempe visits. And Oregon State only won one other game in Tempe since September 27, 1969, and that was the devastating 31-7 win last year, the Beavers' largest-ever win against the Devils in Tempe. Oregon State's biggest win in Tempe all-time remains the 2001 Fiesta Bowl. If you look, though, through a quirk of scheduling, 21 of the games between Arizona State and Washington have been in Tempe and 18 games have been in Seattle. If you count the forfeit, each team has won on the road eight times. If you do not count the forfeit, Washington has only won in Tempe seven times. As to why there is such a large discrepancy between games in Seattle and Tempe. Arizona State picked up an extra game in Tempe before the Pac-10. And then, because of the whole Oregon and Washington scheduling rivalry fiasco (Oregon and Washington threw such a fit at not playing in 2001, that they forced the other eight to change how the schedule worked from 2002-2005), the Huskies wound up playing in Tempe each year from 2000-2002. It fell back down to a three-game difference because of there was no game in Tempe in 2020, due to COVID-19. Fourth, before 2002, Washington had a 14-9 winning record against Arizona State or 15-8 with the 1979 forfeit. Arizona State, though, went on a 10-game winning streak from 2002-2015 (Rick Neuheisel's last year to Chris Peterson's second year). It is notable that Oregon State's only ever six-game winning streak was from 2004-2009 and Oregon State's only ever three-game home winning streak against Washington also was from 2007-2011. The Huskies were historically weak from 2005-2013. A fun fact that I noted back in 2015 was that Arizona State had one the longest road winning streaks against Washington in the Pac-12, along with Oregon State's streaks against Arizona and California (at the time). Arizona State won every game at Seattle between 1997 and 2016, only losing three games in Tempe during that time. And Arizona State finishes their current stint in the Pac-12, having not lost to Washington in Tempe since October 27, 2001, when the Huskies beat the Devils on a walk-off field goal after Arizona State failed to convert two different two-point conversions in a 24-6 (field goal, touchdown, and safety, and then the teams traded touchdowns until the walk-off field goal) comeback, either of which probably would have sent the game to overtime. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 6, 2024 10:46:12 GMT -8
I don't watch big 10 football, so I won't be tuning in.
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