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Post by beaverology on Jan 3, 2024 10:07:17 GMT -8
High school recruits talk about their recruiting experiences with NIL under condition of anonymity: No exact quotes but kids talked about being offered between $300,000 and $400,000 per year with chance to earn more. One kid compared his NIL deal to an NFL rookie contract that included a signing bonus equivalent to a really nice car. This kid said he hired an agent to deal with all of it. One team told a recruit if he committed early and helped bring other guys in, they’d give him $40,000 a month until signing day. Another kid said he didn't go with the highest bidder and it cost him $100,000 a year, but he committed to his school of choice. These are just some excerpts. Crazy amounts of money being thrown around in CFB recruiting right now with no guard rails. We all see how this is directly impacting Oregon State football. This is exactly the kind of environment that the Oregon ducks and Phil Knight want. If you have a sub, you can read it here: theathletic.com/5175508/2024/01/03/college-football-recruiting-all-americans-nil-rule-changes/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=cfbtw&source=cfbtw&access_token=3871932&redirected=1 |
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Post by highincascadia on Jan 3, 2024 10:33:41 GMT -8
Read another report today on 247 sports about KJ Bolden. Apparently other schools offered him in excess of $3M a year to play. Granted he is top 20 recruit in the nation, but still shows that the competitive divide between schools is growing exponentially.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 3, 2024 12:21:36 GMT -8
All of these are indeed "factual" in that they are words of kids and "offers". But, there are over 20k D1 (FBS and FCS) players on scholarship, let alone walk ons. The big numbers being mentioned are for very, VERY few kids. And, if we're talking OSU football, players OSU would never normally be in line to sign NIL or not.
The HUGE majority of players get 4 figures of help thru the NIL and as posted from actual AD figures most are apparel and merch, with no cash $ involved. Kansas, Houston, OSU, and other have stated the average NIL deal for athletes is about $4-6k, with that being greatly enhanced by a few bigger deals. At OSU Jade Carey's Olympic deal was somewhere in the $280k range, jumping OSU's average NIL deal upwards of the true "average".
The huge numbers being tossed out many are offers that are never fulfilled or fraudulent as with the recent FL QB. But, the huge deals that actually take place are so few you can classify all the outrage as sensationalism as people make it out to be the norm.
NIL is out of control and has caught the college landscape unprepared. But, for the most part OSU was/is never going to be part of elite recruiting NIL or not. So, I'm not sure why the articles on huge offers are news cuz they aren't. And, those truly of are no consequence to OSU. The Millers, Bolden types leaving could be about money. Could be about relationships. Could be about new scenery. Or a combo of any/all. The point is the players chose to leave. OSU, like most programs does not have a huge NIL pot so you make do. Just like when our former coach was here... we lost players to the same reason(s), we gained players, we adapted, we were successful.
Conference implodes, coach/staff departs are the new variables. Not the NIL or portal... nothing has changed there. OSU has lost players, will/has gained players, will adapt, and will be successful.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 3, 2024 12:36:27 GMT -8
Where this affects OSU mostly is in developing the "under the radar" prospects. Before the wild west NIL, and portal, these guys would stick around, work even harder, and try to build their draft stock. Now, they get some notoriety, and they are lookin for a bag, and also more tv exposure at a higher level of college football. That will be our biggest frustration moving forward.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 3, 2024 13:17:07 GMT -8
Where this affects OSU mostly is in developing the "under the radar" prospects. Before the wild west NIL, and portal, these guys would stick around, work even harder, and try to build their draft stock. Now, they get some notoriety, and they are lookin for a bag, and also more tv exposure at a higher level of college football. That will be our biggest frustration moving forward. At least with the new portal limitation of one freebie unless you are a grad transfer, a player must get a degree completed before going in a 2nd time! Helps some... |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 3, 2024 13:28:18 GMT -8
Where this affects OSU mostly is in developing the "under the radar" prospects. Before the wild west NIL, and portal, these guys would stick around, work even harder, and try to build their draft stock. Now, they get some notoriety, and they are lookin for a bag, and also more tv exposure at a higher level of college football. That will be our biggest frustration moving forward. unless you are a grad transfer, a player must get a degree completed before going in a 2nd time! Helps some... Pending the current lawsuit to have that overturned. |
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Post by 93beav on Jan 3, 2024 14:04:32 GMT -8
I wonder if a better approach may be to eschew the high level, elite HS players (I mean, not that we're directly in their wheelhouse now, but we have a chance), save the NIL money and instead offer up a base level salary to all players at certain positions, ala Texas. You are an o-lineman, you will be guaranteed x$. You are a WR, you are guaranteed y$. Almost like the "employee" status but before that ruling gets out.
This allows us to be a step above lower level programs and allows us time to develop diamonds in the rough. The downside being that these players bolt as soon as they are good and can get more elsewhere. But at least we get the 1 year rental and maybe, in my rainbow universe, they find something to like about OSU other than just getting a cash payment.
And yes, I'm aware the university doesn't control NIL allocation / targeting...yet. That will change.
(Ultimately my dream is to bring a group of universities out of the pay-to-play schema, but that's a distant hope at the moment)
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 3, 2024 16:04:41 GMT -8
Read another report today on 247 sports about KJ Bolden. Apparently other schools offered him in excess of $3M a year to play. Granted he is top 20 recruit in the nation, but still shows that the competitive divide between schools is growing exponentially. generally speaking, I don't think 18-20 year old kids are making the appropriate distinction between a "school" and a person associated (though not directly, nor employed by...) with that school offering him money. Schools still cannot pay players. Period. Of course there is a health debate about just allowing that so their can be some measure of oversight and consistency. We the posters need to remember, that "schools" are not offering this money. The closest a school can get is let them know there are some people that would love to talk to them about some interesting NIL opportunities. A school did not offer Bolden $3M. A donor of the school may have though. I get it is pedantic, but it matters. OSU's Dam Nation Collective is not sponsored by or funded by OSU. But believe me, I am sure when Dam Nation reaches out to a kid, they are just going to say "OSU offered me $X" |
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Post by bdc101 on Jan 3, 2024 19:58:01 GMT -8
The big problem is that, like rgeorge has finally conceded, the good players that get developed in our program leave as soon as they can get a bag of cash. And though it is still against the rules, it is now impossible to enforce the rules. So if anyone thinks the Phil knights of the world didn't get exactly what they wanted, they are delusional.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 3, 2024 20:54:52 GMT -8
I wonder if a better approach may be to eschew the high level, elite HS players (I mean, not that we're directly in their wheelhouse now, but we have a chance), save the NIL money and instead offer up a base level salary to all players at certain positions, ala Texas. You are an o-lineman, you will be guaranteed x$. You are a WR, you are guaranteed y$. Almost like the "employee" status but before that ruling gets out. This allows us to be a step above lower level programs and allows us time to develop diamonds in the rough. The downside being that these players bolt as soon as they are good and can get more elsewhere. But at least we get the 1 year rental and maybe, in my rainbow universe, they find something to like about OSU other than just getting a cash payment. And yes, I'm aware the university doesn't control NIL allocation / targeting...yet. That will change. (Ultimately my dream is to bring a group of universities out of the pay-to-play schema, but that's a distant hope at the moment) Your example is a union model. |
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