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Post by jefframp on Jan 3, 2024 13:13:41 GMT -8
I can't believe you guys talk about the early 60's Chargers without mentioning running back Paul Lowe from OSU. Shame on you guys! Paul Lowe Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_LoweLegacy: "In 1970, the Pro Football Hall of Fame named Lowe as a halfback on the All-Time All-AFL Team. In 1979, the Chargers inducted him into the Chargers Hall of Fame. Lowe remains in San Diego and supports his team as a season ticket holder." Lowe was a Charger season ticket holder back in 2007. Unlike most of the Chargers, Lowe got his Super Bowl ring on the Chiefs roster in Super Bowl IV, the last pre-merger Super Bowl. So the losers of a Super Bowl get a Super Bowl ring? Cuz the Chargers have never won a Super Bowl but they did lose to the 49ers in SB-29.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 3, 2024 13:21:54 GMT -8
I can't believe you guys talk about the early 60's Chargers without mentioning running back Paul Lowe from OSU. Shame on you guys! Paul Lowe Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_LoweLegacy: "In 1970, the Pro Football Hall of Fame named Lowe as a halfback on the All-Time All-AFL Team. In 1979, the Chargers inducted him into the Chargers Hall of Fame. Lowe remains in San Diego and supports his team as a season ticket holder." I was going to mention him as he was of the huge casualties in the '62 season, the only losing season in the Chargers AFL tenure. Rookie flanker Lance Alworth missed the final ten games of the season with a knee injury, Paul Lowe broke an arm and missed the entire year, and quarterback Jack Kemp was knocked out of action after only two games with a broken finger... then places on waivers and claimed for $100 by the Bills.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jan 3, 2024 13:34:59 GMT -8
Loved Lowe, Post, Hadl, Alworth, Garrison, Mix, Duncan, Ladd, Faison, etal. I got to go to Irvine Ranch in ‘68 to their training camp. Met them all. Ate at their training table. They had a D tackle named Houston Ridge. Just a MASSIVE dude. I could spin his helmet on my head. Alworth’s was too small. 😀. Irvine Ranch was out on the middle of NOWHERE, then.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 3, 2024 13:38:45 GMT -8
Funny the Chargers were known for many things in the early days of the AFL... prolific offenses and stifling defenses with lots of takeaways. Its is a bit ironic with all the great QBs their only title came with Tobin Rote and Hadl as the backup. And, a side note they had drafted Terry Baker, 12th Rd, with the 90th pick in the AFL draft. The Rams of course made him the #1 pick. But, it was their mandatory anabolic steroid program that is never mentioned. Their anabolic steroid usage program was the first such in professional football. Sid Gillman and strength coach Alvin Roy made daily doses of Dianabol compulsory for a five-week period during training camp. The training camp was out in the middle of no where, about 70 miles from San Diego in a desert setting. The field was sawdust on top of sandy/rocky soil. The book called it "Rough Acres Ranch". Players eventually became aware of potential side effects, and the program was relaxed to a voluntary one. I also had not known that Al Davis was a key employee and chief negotiator when it came to stealing away NFL talent. He left to take the Raider coach/GM job for the '63 season. Al Davis also forced out our own F. Wayne Valley as the managing partner of the Raiders.
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Post by ag87 on Jan 3, 2024 13:58:27 GMT -8
Funny the Chargers were known for many things in the early days of the AFL... prolific offenses and stifling defenses with lots of takeaways. Its is a bit ironic with all the great QBs their only title came with Tobin Rote and Hadl as the backup. And, a side note they had drafted Terry Baker, 12th Rd, with the 90th pick in the AFL draft. The Rams of course made him the #1 pick. But, it was their mandatory anabolic steroid program that is never mentioned. Their anabolic steroid usage program was the first such in professional football. Sid Gillman and strength coach Alvin Roy made daily doses of Dianabol compulsory for a five-week period during training camp. The training camp was out in the middle of no where, about 70 miles from San Diego in a desert setting. The field was sawdust on top of sandy/rocky soil. The book called it "Rough Acres Ranch". Players eventually became aware of potential side effects, and the program was relaxed to a voluntary one. I also had not known that Al Davis was a key employee and chief negotiator when it came to stealing away NFL talent. He left to take the Raider coach/GM job for the '63 season. Al Davis also forced out our own F. Wayne Valley as the managing partner of the Raiders. I was going to mention that. I read a fair amount about it somewhere. Maybe in the Oregon Stater (alumni paper) 10 to 20 years ago?
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Post by lebaneaver on Jan 3, 2024 14:06:26 GMT -8
NO ONE detested the “Daryle Lamonica to Warren Wells” big plays more than I. 🤬🤬. Back then, one had to get lucky to watch “their team” on the TV, so my brother, dad and I would go out to his Galaxy 500 (best radio) and listen to the Chargers. I remember HATING Al Derogodus (phonetically correct…😁) ultra-biased color commentary. Friggin Raider homer.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 3, 2024 15:27:47 GMT -8
Funny the Chargers were known for many things in the early days of the AFL... prolific offenses and stifling defenses with lots of takeaways. Its is a bit ironic with all the great QBs their only title came with Tobin Rote and Hadl as the backup. And, a side note they had drafted Terry Baker, 12th Rd, with the 90th pick in the AFL draft. The Rams of course made him the #1 pick. But, it was their mandatory anabolic steroid program that is never mentioned. Their anabolic steroid usage program was the first such in professional football. Sid Gillman and strength coach Alvin Roy made daily doses of Dianabol compulsory for a five-week period during training camp. The training camp was out in the middle of no where, about 70 miles from San Diego in a desert setting. The field was sawdust on top of sandy/rocky soil. The book called it "Rough Acres Ranch". Players eventually became aware of potential side effects, and the program was relaxed to a voluntary one. I also had not known that Al Davis was a key employee and chief negotiator when it came to stealing away NFL talent. He left to take the Raider coach/GM job for the '63 season. Al Davis also forced out our own F. Wayne Valley as the managing partner of the Raiders. Francis Wayne "F" Valley was a starting linebacker and fullback on the 1934 and 1935 Oregon State teams. The 1935 was the best team between the 1933 Ironmen team and the 1939 Pineapple Bowl team, 6-4-1. One of the wins was Oregon State's only win against USC in Southern California between 1916 and 1960. Valley scored the first touchdown in a 13-7 win. Valley also threw javelin for the track team. Valley was supposed to return in 1936, but the State of Oregon forced Oregon State to cut its business program to save money, during the Great Depression. So, Valley finished up his degree at Oregon. After Valley graduated, he moved to Portland to work as an accountant for an oil company. He remained in Portland until marrying Gladys Liebbrand in 1940. After marrying, the couple moved to San Leandro, California, and started a homebuilding company. His company built more than 25,000 houses in California alone. In the late 1950s, he was one of the eight co-founders of the Raiders. In 1961, Valley purchased majority control of the franchise and served as the managing general partner with Ed McGah until 1972. The Raiders were forced to play the first half of the 1960 season at Kezar Stadium and the second half of 1960 and the entire 1961 season at Candlestick Park. Valley got Oakland to build him Frank Youell Field in 1961, and the Raiders played there until the Oakland Coliseum was completed in 1966. On January 1, 1963, Valley made, according to him, his worst hiring decision ever in hiring Al Davis to be both General Manager and Head Coach of the Raiders. The Raiders generally improved over the next three years but would not see the playoffs until after Davis quit to become Commissioner of the AFL after the 1965 season. Davis' handpicked successor was John Rauch. Rauch led the Raiders to consecutive AFL Championship Games, winning the first and playing in Supe Bowl II and losing the second to the Super Bowl III Champion Jets by four. Davis was only Commissioner of the AFL for just under four months, putting enough pressure on the NFL to secure a future merger. Davis bought a 10% interest in the Raiders, drew up a favorable partnership agreement, and became the General Manager of the Raiders. Rauch grew tired of working for Davis and so quit to take over as head coach of the Bills. Davis replaced Rauch with John Madden. At some point during the AFL, Valley became President of the AFL, but I am not sure exactly when. Valley was on the executive and finance committees of the NFL. While Valley was at the 1972 Munich Olympics, Davis convinced McGah to make him the sole managing General Partner to replace Valley. Valley returned and fought Davis until 1976 without success. After losing the court case, Valley sold his entire interest in the Raiders. F. Wayne and his wife, Gladys L. Valley used the money to help provide the original funding for the Valley Foundation in 1977. F. Wayne, then Gladys L., and then their daughter Sonya donated vast sums (more than a billion dollars) of money to various academic and athletic institutions with the lion's share going to the California State University, East Bay; Oregon State University; the University of California, Berkeley; the University of California, Davis; and the University of California, San Francisco. At Oregon State, the Valley Library, the Valley Gymnastics Center, the Valley Football Center, and the Gladys Valley Marine Studies Building are all named in honor of F. Wayne Valley or his wife Gladys L. Valley. Oregon State's Marine Biology Department is funded almost entirely by the Valleys. At California, the Valley Life Sciences Building is named for the Valleys. At California State University, East Bay, the Wayne and Gladys Valley Business and Technology Center and the Gladys Valley Business and Technology Center are named for the Valleys. The School of Veterinary Medicine's Gladys Valley Hall at the University of California, Davis, is named after the Valleys. The Wayne and Gladys Valley Center for Vision at the University of California, San Francisco is also named after the Valleys. Gladys Liebbrand Valley graduated from Oregon State University in 1933, three years before F. Wayne graduated. Gladys Liebbrand was the secretary at Oregon State's School of Science until 1940, when she and F. Wayne married.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 3, 2024 15:34:13 GMT -8
Al Davis also forced out our own F. Wayne Valley as the managing partner of the Raiders. Francis Wayne "F" Valley was a starting linebacker and fullback on the 1934 and 1935 Oregon State teams. The 1935 was the best team between the 1933 Ironmen team and the 1939 Pineapple Bowl team, 6-4-1. One of the wins was Oregon State's only win against USC in Southern California between 1916 and 1960. Valley scored the first touchdown in a 13-7 win. Valley also threw javelin for the track team. Valley was supposed to return in 1936, but the State of Oregon forced Oregon State to cut its business program to save money, during the Great Depression. So, Valley finished up his degree at Oregon. After Valley graduated, he moved to Portland to work as an accountant for an oil company. He remained in Portland until marrying Gladys Liebbrand in 1940. After marrying, the couple moved to San Leandro, California, and started a homebuilding company. His company built more than 25,000 houses in California alone. In the late 1950s, he was one of the eight co-founders of the Raiders. In 1961, Valley purchased majority control of the franchise and served as the managing general partner with Ed McGah until 1972. The Raiders were forced to play the first half of the 1960 season at Kezar Stadium and the second half of 1960 and the entire 1961 season at Candlestick Park. Valley got Oakland to build him Frank Youell Field in 1961, and the Raiders played there until the Oakland Coliseum was completed in 1966. On January 1, 1963, Valley made, according to him, his worst hiring decision ever in hiring Al Davis to be both General Manager and Head Coach of the Raiders. The Raiders generally improved over the next three years but would not see the playoffs until after Davis quit to become Commissioner of the AFL after the 1965 season. Davis' handpicked successor was John Rauch. Rauch led the Raiders to consecutive AFL Championship Games, winning the first and playing in Supe Bowl II and losing the second to the Super Bowl III Champion Jets by four. Davis was only Commissioner of the AFL for just under four months, putting enough pressure on the NFL to secure a future merger. Davis bought a 10% interest in the Raiders, drew up a favorable partnership agreement, and became the General Manager of the Raiders. Rauch grew tired of working for Davis and so quit to take over as head coach of the Bills. Davis replaced Rauch with John Madden. At some point during the AFL, Valley became President of the AFL, but I am not sure exactly when. Valley was on the executive and finance committees of the NFL. While Valley was at the 1972 Munich Olympics, Davis convinced McGah to make him the sole managing General Partner to replace Valley. Valley returned and fought Davis until 1976 without success. After losing the court case, Valley sold his entire interest in the Raiders. F. Wayne and his wife, Gladys L. Valley used the money to help provide the original funding for the Valley Foundation in 1977. F. Wayne, then Gladys L., and then their daughter Sonya donated vast sums (more than a billion dollars) of money to various academic and athletic institutions with the lion's share going to the California State University, East Bay; Oregon State University; the University of California, Berkeley; the University of California, Davis; and the University of California, San Francisco. At Oregon State, the Valley Library, the Valley Gymnastics Center, the Valley Football Center, and the Gladys Valley Marine Studies Building are all named in honor of F. Wayne Valley or his wife Gladys L. Valley. Oregon State's Marine Biology Department is funded almost entirely by the Valleys. At California, the Valley Life Sciences Building is named for the Valleys. At California State University, East Bay, the Wayne and Gladys Valley Business and Technology Center and the Gladys Valley Business and Technology Center are named for the Valleys. The School of Veterinary Medicine's Gladys Valley Hall at the University of California, Davis, is named after the Valleys. The Wayne and Gladys Valley Center for Vision at the University of California, San Francisco is also named after the Valleys. Gladys Liebbrand Valley graduated from Oregon State University in 1933, three years before F. Wayne graduated. Gladys Liebbrand was the secretary at Oregon State's School of Science until 1940, when she and F. Wayne married. Thanks, I was aware of this since I lived with his grandson in college. Sonya, by the way, went by Sunny Valley (as in the small town in S. Oregon)
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 3, 2024 15:35:42 GMT -8
Francis Wayne "F" Valley was a starting linebacker and fullback on the 1934 and 1935 Oregon State teams. The 1935 was the best team between the 1933 Ironmen team and the 1939 Pineapple Bowl team, 6-4-1. One of the wins was Oregon State's only win against USC in Southern California between 1916 and 1960. Valley scored the first touchdown in a 13-7 win. Valley also threw javelin for the track team. Valley was supposed to return in 1936, but the State of Oregon forced Oregon State to cut its business program to save money, during the Great Depression. So, Valley finished up his degree at Oregon. After Valley graduated, he moved to Portland to work as an accountant for an oil company. He remained in Portland until marrying Gladys Liebbrand in 1940. After marrying, the couple moved to San Leandro, California, and started a homebuilding company. His company built more than 25,000 houses in California alone. In the late 1950s, he was one of the eight co-founders of the Raiders. In 1961, Valley purchased majority control of the franchise and served as the managing general partner with Ed McGah until 1972. The Raiders were forced to play the first half of the 1960 season at Kezar Stadium and the second half of 1960 and the entire 1961 season at Candlestick Park. Valley got Oakland to build him Frank Youell Field in 1961, and the Raiders played there until the Oakland Coliseum was completed in 1966. On January 1, 1963, Valley made, according to him, his worst hiring decision ever in hiring Al Davis to be both General Manager and Head Coach of the Raiders. The Raiders generally improved over the next three years but would not see the playoffs until after Davis quit to become Commissioner of the AFL after the 1965 season. Davis' handpicked successor was John Rauch. Rauch led the Raiders to consecutive AFL Championship Games, winning the first and playing in Supe Bowl II and losing the second to the Super Bowl III Champion Jets by four. Davis was only Commissioner of the AFL for just under four months, putting enough pressure on the NFL to secure a future merger. Davis bought a 10% interest in the Raiders, drew up a favorable partnership agreement, and became the General Manager of the Raiders. Rauch grew tired of working for Davis and so quit to take over as head coach of the Bills. Davis replaced Rauch with John Madden. At some point during the AFL, Valley became President of the AFL, but I am not sure exactly when. Valley was on the executive and finance committees of the NFL. While Valley was at the 1972 Munich Olympics, Davis convinced McGah to make him the sole managing General Partner to replace Valley. Valley returned and fought Davis until 1976 without success. After losing the court case, Valley sold his entire interest in the Raiders. F. Wayne and his wife, Gladys L. Valley used the money to help provide the original funding for the Valley Foundation in 1977. F. Wayne, then Gladys L., and then their daughter Sonya donated vast sums (more than a billion dollars) of money to various academic and athletic institutions with the lion's share going to the California State University, East Bay; Oregon State University; the University of California, Berkeley; the University of California, Davis; and the University of California, San Francisco. At Oregon State, the Valley Library, the Valley Gymnastics Center, the Valley Football Center, and the Gladys Valley Marine Studies Building are all named in honor of F. Wayne Valley or his wife Gladys L. Valley. Oregon State's Marine Biology Department is funded almost entirely by the Valleys. At California, the Valley Life Sciences Building is named for the Valleys. At California State University, East Bay, the Wayne and Gladys Valley Business and Technology Center and the Gladys Valley Business and Technology Center are named for the Valleys. The School of Veterinary Medicine's Gladys Valley Hall at the University of California, Davis, is named after the Valleys. The Wayne and Gladys Valley Center for Vision at the University of California, San Francisco is also named after the Valleys. Gladys Liebbrand Valley graduated from Oregon State University in 1933, three years before F. Wayne graduated. Gladys Liebbrand was the secretary at Oregon State's School of Science until 1940, when she and F. Wayne married. Thanks, I was aware of this since I lived with his grandson in college. Sonya, by the way, went by Sunny Valley (as in the small town in S. Oregon) You lived with Wade?
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 3, 2024 15:36:02 GMT -8
Thanks, I was aware of this since I lived with his grandson in college. Sonya, by the way, went by Sunny Valley (as in the small town in S. Oregon) You lived with Wade? Yep.
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Post by bvrbred on Jan 3, 2024 16:58:58 GMT -8
F Wayne also had a son who attended Oregon State and played football for Andros. Believe his name was Wayne Valley Jr.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 3, 2024 17:14:17 GMT -8
F Wayne also had a son who attended Oregon State and played football for Andros. Believe his name was Wayne Valley Jr. Spring of 1969: "Wayne Jr., who like his father had been a standout football player at Oregon State, drowned in a swimming accident. The 25-year-old had been swimming with friends in the North Santiam River in Oregon. After jumping off a rock into the water he failed to surface. It wasn’t until several days later that his body was found two miles downstream from where he went in."
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 3, 2024 17:24:07 GMT -8
F Wayne also had a son who attended Oregon State and played football for Andros. Believe his name was Wayne Valley Jr. F. Wayne's son was Patrick Wayne Valley, who primarily went by Wayne, like his father. P. Wayne was on the 1965 Rose Bowl team and played for the next two years mostly as a backup lineman. Sadly, P. Wayne drowned in the North Santiam River in 1969. Oregon State's P. Wayne Valley Sports Performance Center is named for him.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 3, 2024 17:44:05 GMT -8
F Wayne also had a son who attended Oregon State and played football for Andros. Believe his name was Wayne Valley Jr. F. Wayne's son was Patrick Wayne Valley, who primarily went by Wayne, like his father. P. Wayne was on the 1965 Rose Bowl team and played for the next two years mostly as a backup lineman. Sadly, P. Wayne drowned in the North Santiam River in 1969. Oregon State's P. Wayne Valley Sports Performance Center is named for him. The former track facility was also named after him.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jan 3, 2024 18:30:18 GMT -8
Loved Lowe, Post, Hadl, Alworth, Garrison, Mix, Duncan, Ladd, Faison, etal. I got to go to Irvine Ranch in ‘68 to their training camp. Met them all. Ate at their training table. They had a D tackle named Houston Ridge. Just a MASSIVE dude. I could spin his helmet on my head. Alworth’s was too small. 😀. Irvine Ranch was out on the middle of NOWHERE, then. I forgot the late, great Coog, Keith Lincoln. A GREAT running back.
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