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Post by ag87 on Dec 26, 2023 9:57:13 GMT -8
I've watched parts of a few Nevada games this year. My opinion of Lucas continues to get better. He is incredibly effective on the offensive end without pressing for shots. He and Kenan Blackshear may be the best back court tandem in college basketball. It frustrates me that Tinkle made such horrible personnel decisions after the E8 year. I think Lucas and his family decided that Tinkle couldn't run the team and coach well enough for Lucas to continue here. I don't know what Nevada's NLI budget is. I don't care for Steve Alford. But I'd trade that team for ours in less than a heartbeat.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 26, 2023 11:08:48 GMT -8
I've watched parts of a few Nevada games this year. My opinion of Lucas continues to get better. He is incredibly effective on the offensive end without pressing for shots. He and Kenan Blackshear may be the best back court tandem in college basketball. It frustrates me that Tinkle made such horrible personnel decisions after the E8 year. I think Lucas and his family decided that Tinkle couldn't run the team and coach well enough for Lucas to continue here. I don't know what Nevada's NLI budget is. I don't care for Steve Alford. But I'd trade that team for ours in less than a heartbeat. Jarods parents are very observant. But I think jarods dad is a high school coach so I do wonder what took him so long. |
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Post by ag87 on Dec 26, 2023 12:11:40 GMT -8
His first year Lucas had Tres, ET and Kelley on the team. JL was about the 5th option and the team had an outside chance of advancing until covid killed it. JL's 2nd season needs no explanation. Season 3 was the depths of hell.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 26, 2023 12:30:44 GMT -8
Rumors were Jarod got 100k for that transfer. Not saying that's why he transferred, but the NIL question was asked.
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Post by irimi on Dec 26, 2023 20:44:56 GMT -8
Rumors were Jarod got 100k for that transfer. Not saying that's why he transferred, but the NIL question was asked. After his third year, he might have paid 100k just to transfer. That year was painful for everyone. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 27, 2023 9:14:00 GMT -8
Rumors were Jarod got 100k for that transfer. Not saying that's why he transferred, but the NIL question was asked. After his third year, he might have paid 100k just to transfer. That year was painful for everyone. Jarod and Rand both left due to PTSD from that season. Neither one of them were part of the problem in the locker room that year. |
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Post by beaverology on Dec 27, 2023 9:41:53 GMT -8
When you have Nevada buying OSU's best player out from underneath them for a mere $100,000 and we can't match, there's a problem. We had a coach leave OSU for CSU for the same reason and he broadcasted it. Did Tim Shelton get your attention? St John's bought Glenn Taylor Jr earlier this year on the cheap. OSU was powerless to stop it. Beaver MBB could be so much better if our AD would make the effort and Dam Nation would open up a MBB fund. Do something instead of blaming the last 6 coaches for 35 years of pain and suffering.
You can count on Jordan Pope following the money after this season. Where does that leave us?
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Post by irimi on Dec 27, 2023 10:42:10 GMT -8
After his third year, he might have paid 100k just to transfer. That year was painful for everyone. Jarod and Rand both left due to PTSD from that season. Neither one of them were part of the problem in the locker room that year. I don't think that I suggested otherwise with my post. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 27, 2023 11:08:31 GMT -8
You can count on Jordan Pope following the money after this season. Where does that leave us? It means Lake will need to start shooting more. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 27, 2023 12:54:08 GMT -8
When you have Nevada buying OSU's best player out from underneath them for a mere $100,000 and we can't match, there's a problem. We had a coach leave OSU for CSU for the same reason and he broadcasted it. Did Tim Shelton get your attention? St John's bought Glenn Taylor Jr earlier this year on the cheap. OSU was powerless to stop it. Beaver MBB could be so much better if our AD would make the effort and Dam Nation would open up a MBB fund. Do something instead of blaming the last 6 coaches for 35 years of pain and suffering. You can count on Jordan Pope following the money after this season. Where does that leave us? You and your NIL numbers are hilarious... It was RUMORED. Jared will tell you he'd have loved to get $100k, but got no where near that. Nevada's entire NIL budget for all sports would not allow $100k to any one player. Nevada offered a successful program and Jared wanted to start over... fresh. He would not bad moth WT or OSU. But, he knew it wasn't going to get better fast. Shelton is a quitter and did not fit in with the WT staff. His "story" was just an easy out for him. He was going to be gone against his will if he hadn't left. And heading to CSU for NIL reasons is a bit odd, as they supposedly have a very small NIL donor pool. |
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Post by ag87 on Dec 27, 2023 14:03:28 GMT -8
When you have Nevada buying OSU's best player out from underneath them for a mere $100,000 and we can't match, there's a problem. We had a coach leave OSU for CSU for the same reason and he broadcasted it. Did Tim Shelton get your attention? St John's bought Glenn Taylor Jr earlier this year on the cheap. OSU was powerless to stop it. Beaver MBB could be so much better if our AD would make the effort and Dam Nation would open up a MBB fund. Do something instead of blaming the last 6 coaches for 35 years of pain and suffering. You can count on Jordan Pope following the money after this season. Where does that leave us? You and your NIL numbers are hilarious... It was RUMORED. Jared will tell you he'd have loved to get $100k, but got no where near that. Nevada's entire NIL budget for all sports would not allow $100k to any one player. Nevada offered a successful program and Jared wanted to start over... fresh. He would not bad moth WT or OSU. But, he knew it wasn't going to get better fast. Shelton is a quitter and did not fit in with the WT staff. His "story" was just an easy out for him. He was going to be gone against his will if he hadn't left. And heading to CSU for NIL reasons is a bit odd, as they supposedly have a very small NIL donor pool. Jared will tell you? He would have loved $100k at Nevada but no where near that? Is that what you are saying? On the basketball side, Nevada's NIL budget is much higher than ours. As a guess, and only a guess, he is making north of 100k. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Dec 27, 2023 14:08:29 GMT -8
When you have Nevada buying OSU's best player out from underneath them for a mere $100,000 and we can't match, there's a problem. We had a coach leave OSU for CSU for the same reason and he broadcasted it. Did Tim Shelton get your attention? St John's bought Glenn Taylor Jr earlier this year on the cheap. OSU was powerless to stop it. Beaver MBB could be so much better if our AD would make the effort and Dam Nation would open up a MBB fund. Do something instead of blaming the last 6 coaches for 35 years of pain and suffering. You can count on Jordan Pope following the money after this season. Where does that leave us? We lost JL due to the garbage job WT did handling the numerous major issues that happened in the locker room. My source I've mentioned on here during that season was there. |
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Post by beaverology on Dec 27, 2023 16:04:08 GMT -8
I like Jarod Lucas. There's no doubt his college highlights will include hitting the GW shot against Utah as a freshman for OSU and pretty much his entire sophomore season at OSU. The experience he had winning that Pac12 tournament game in 2020 and then winning the Pac12 tournament the next year followed by the elite 8 run has to be at the top. He can thank WT for recruiting him to OSU when the other schools didn't believe in him and didn't offer him. He got his chance and proved himself. It's a great story even with the transfer to Nevada after the bad season at OSU.
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Post by grayman on Dec 27, 2023 16:20:00 GMT -8
I think that OSU has made the decision to become a "football school" as much as possible for obvious reasons and with all the upheaval with conference realignment, JS and staff members bailing and the immediate and longer term future of the Pac-2 all focus from Barnes has been taken for the time being.
Not that men's basketball is unimportant. And IMO going to the WCC for the two years will make or break Tinkle. If he fails to meet a certain level of success, I think Barnes will start looking to make a move.
The biggest key would be to bring in a coach who can thrive at OSU. That means recruiting and retaining players that are capable of helping the team win. That means keeping some top Oregon and Washington players in the area. It also requires a commitment from the school, at least to a degree that can enable these things to happen at a reasonably consistent level.
It's that commitment (and the ability/willingness to make it) that might be a sticking point for now. Maybe things will sort out in a year or two.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 27, 2023 16:20:40 GMT -8
You and your NIL numbers are hilarious... It was RUMORED. Jared will tell you he'd have loved to get $100k, but got no where near that. Nevada's entire NIL budget for all sports would not allow $100k to any one player. Nevada offered a successful program and Jared wanted to start over... fresh. He would not bad moth WT or OSU. But, he knew it wasn't going to get better fast. Shelton is a quitter and did not fit in with the WT staff. His "story" was just an easy out for him. He was going to be gone against his will if he hadn't left. And heading to CSU for NIL reasons is a bit odd, as they supposedly have a very small NIL donor pool. Jared will tell you? He would have loved $100k at Nevada but no where near that? Is that what you are saying? On the basketball side, Nevada's NIL budget is much higher than ours. As a guess, and only a guess, he is making north of 100k. Yep... you join the others that think the NIL $ are much much MUCH more than they really are. There is much discussion and legislation in each state on the disclosure of deals. But, without giving out personal data many public record requests have shown some actual numbers. Some of the numbers come from big time programs that require disclosure of $10k or more. At Kansas that involved just 11 of the 289 NIL activities, or 3.8%. That's at the school with the '22 mbb champ, football bowl team, 3rd rd VB squad. Less than 50% of athletes were involved in NIL deal. In Nevada many of the ADs are seeing NIL activities being very informal. Some as simple as $25 fee for being at a bday party. Opendorse the leading tech support for compiling NIL info found over the first 3 NIL "seasons" (not yet fully complete) says the average G5 NIL deal makes the athlete $5572. Bottom line, schools do not want to be the custodians of NIL info. And, each state sets their own policy. However, the $ involved are greatly exaggerated. What is missed is the scams that athletes are exposed to. Bad contracts, overly broad language, unclear performance requirements, missing termination clauses all lead athletes astray. Many athletes never ever meet their supposed benefactor and many have been scammed. FYI... At OSU student-athlete reported NIL deals 7/2021 to 3/2023: 582 thru a Tweet; 157 thru Snapchat or Spotlight; 115 "other"; 97 Instagram; 33 Media Creation; 31 Meet & Greet; 30 Production shoot; 11 Autograph; 10 Merch; 6 Video call With over 500k potential "clients" many companies have entered the fray with scandalous intent. Several Federal bills were introduced in 2023. Not sure if any will make it out committee. |
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