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Post by lebaneaver on Dec 25, 2023 14:08:03 GMT -8
Anyone else think the “Brotherly Shove” should be banned from the game? It’s a joke. IMHO. Watching a bit of the Eagles-Giants game.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 25, 2023 15:18:38 GMT -8
The Giants tried to stuff the middle and the Eagles just went to the outside. If you play at least five across the line and cancel all gaps, it does not seem like it should work without Hurts being torn in half.
In my ultimate opinion:
If you don't like it, stop it.
You can stop it, if you beat the play that you know is coming.
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Post by lebaneaver on Dec 25, 2023 15:57:51 GMT -8
The Giants tried to stuff the middle and the Eagles just went to the outside. If you play at least five across the line and cancel all gaps, it does not seem like it should work without Hurts being torn in half. In my ultimate opinion: If you don't like it, stop it. You can stop it, if you beat the play that you know is coming. Philly were successful 37 out of 41 attempts LAST year. I’m not sure it’s realistic to be very successful STOPPING it. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eagles-jason-kelce-describes-the-downside-of-the-tush-push-its-a-grueling-play/amp/ |
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Post by irimi on Dec 25, 2023 19:49:22 GMT -8
As soon as there’s an injury to a valuable player, they will stop it.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 25, 2023 20:56:33 GMT -8
Anyone else think the “Brotherly Shove” should be banned from the game? It’s a joke. IMHO. Watching a bit of the Eagles-Giants game. In my opinion it’s set football back 80 years. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 25, 2023 20:57:42 GMT -8
Anyone else think the “Brotherly Shove” should be banned from the game? It’s a joke. IMHO. Watching a bit of the Eagles-Giants game. In my opinion it’s set football back 80 years. It used to be illegal, but then they legalized it. Why? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 25, 2023 20:59:45 GMT -8
In my opinion it’s set football back 80 years. It used to be illegal, but then they legalized it. Why? Great question. What’s next, the return of the flying wedge? |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 25, 2023 22:23:21 GMT -8
In my opinion it’s set football back 80 years. It used to be illegal, but then they legalized it. Why? It was illegal in the NFL for decades, but legalized in something like 2005(?). NCAA took a few more years before they removed the “aiding a runner” rule. The “reason” given by the NFL was that it was too difficult for refs to adjudicate - as if holding and PI aren’t difficult to adjudicate. It took several years before teams learned how to exploit the rule in ways the league wasn’t expecting. The NFL has a history of fixing rules that teams have learned to exploit. |
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Post by beavs6 on Dec 26, 2023 9:05:33 GMT -8
What teams?
Only 1 has figured it out
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 26, 2023 12:30:14 GMT -8
It used to be illegal, but then they legalized it. Why? It was illegal in the NFL for decades, but legalized in something like 2005(?). NCAA took a few more years before they removed the “aiding a runner” rule. The “reason” given by the NFL was that it was too difficult for refs to adjudicate - as if holding and PI aren’t difficult to adjudicate. It took several years before teams learned how to exploit the rule in ways the league wasn’t expecting. The NFL has a history of fixing rules that teams have learned to exploit. The NFL made the play legal in 2005. The NCAA made the play legal in 2014. But the play was de facto legal years before that. The play was made illegal back before the pads were that great. And the pushing caused life- and limb-threatening injuries. With pads, it does not make as much sense to make the play illegal. |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 26, 2023 14:02:31 GMT -8
It was illegal in the NFL for decades, but legalized in something like 2005(?). NCAA took a few more years before they removed the “aiding a runner” rule. The “reason” given by the NFL was that it was too difficult for refs to adjudicate - as if holding and PI aren’t difficult to adjudicate. It took several years before teams learned how to exploit the rule in ways the league wasn’t expecting. The NFL has a history of fixing rules that teams have learned to exploit. The NFL made the play legal in 2005. The NCAA made the play legal in 2014. But the play was de facto legal years before that. The play was made illegal back before the pads were that great. And the pushing caused life- and limb-threatening injuries. With pads, it does not make as much sense to make the play illegal. I think the lack of a rule against pushing runners encourages offensive players to crash into scrums that aren’t necessarily “tush push” plays, which I think is dangerous. They used to flag guys for crashing into the pile from outside the pile, but the don’t seem to do that any longer. Anyhow, I think the NFL will re-instate the rule at some level, because I don’t think this is what they wanted the result to be. The Eagles will be just fine running traditional QB sneaks. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 26, 2023 14:06:55 GMT -8
The NFL made the play legal in 2005. The NCAA made the play legal in 2014. But the play was de facto legal years before that. The play was made illegal back before the pads were that great. And the pushing caused life- and limb-threatening injuries. With pads, it does not make as much sense to make the play illegal. I think the lack of a rule against pushing runners encourages offensive players to crash into scrums that aren’t necessarily “tush push” plays, which I think is dangerous. They used to flag guys for crashing into the pile from outside the pile, but the don’t seem to do that any longer. Anyhow, I think the NFL will re-instate the rule at some level, because I don’t think this is what they wanted the result to be. The Eagles will be just fine running traditional QB sneaks. To be fair, Philadelphia is running what are traditional QB sneaks. They only stopped pushing the quarterbacks after it started to be flagged. |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 26, 2023 17:38:06 GMT -8
I think the lack of a rule against pushing runners encourages offensive players to crash into scrums that aren’t necessarily “tush push” plays, which I think is dangerous. They used to flag guys for crashing into the pile from outside the pile, but the don’t seem to do that any longer. Anyhow, I think the NFL will re-instate the rule at some level, because I don’t think this is what they wanted the result to be. The Eagles will be just fine running traditional QB sneaks. To be fair, Philadelphia is running what are traditional QB sneaks. They only stopped pushing the quarterbacks after it started to be flagged. When did the Eagles start getting flagged for pushing the QB? They've been getting flagged for being offsides. I saw Hurts score a TD on a tush push vs the Giants just the other day without a flag - not a traditional QB sneak. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 26, 2023 20:30:19 GMT -8
To be fair, Philadelphia is running what are traditional QB sneaks. They only stopped pushing the quarterbacks after it started to be flagged. When did the Eagles start getting flagged for pushing the QB? They've been getting flagged for being offsides. I saw Hurts score a TD on a tush push vs the Giants just the other day without a flag - not a traditional QB sneak. I mean to say that the original quarterback sneaks involved pushing the quarterback. It was made a foul and has since stopped being a foul. You would assume that everyone will probably ultimately start pushing the quarterback, until someone is gruesomely and irreparably injured. And then it will be a foul once more. Until then, though............... |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 26, 2023 22:14:36 GMT -8
When did the Eagles start getting flagged for pushing the QB? They've been getting flagged for being offsides. I saw Hurts score a TD on a tush push vs the Giants just the other day without a flag - not a traditional QB sneak. I mean to say that the original quarterback sneaks involved pushing the quarterback. It was made a foul and has since stopped being a foul. You would assume that everyone will probably ultimately start pushing the quarterback, until someone is gruesomely and irreparably injured. And then it will be a foul once more. Until then, though............... How far back do we have to go to find when a ball carrier was allowed to be pushed by his teammates? The 1950s? Earlier? |
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