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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 26, 2023 10:29:11 GMT -8
As long as we are throwing out wild theories and speculation, have seen a few sites drum up an ACC + B12 + Pac2 mega conference scenario. End up with a west/central/east division. Not sure it moves the needle at all in terms of TV $, especially if the marquee ACC schools bolt. But it’s on the internet so it’s true. Quantity over quality model.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 26, 2023 11:04:29 GMT -8
As long as we are throwing out wild theories and speculation, have seen a few sites drum up an ACC + B12 + Pac2 mega conference scenario. End up with a west/central/east division. Not sure it moves the needle at all in terms of TV $, especially if the marquee ACC schools bolt. But it’s on the internet so it’s true. Quantity over quality model. At some point this, along with the eventual cast aways of the SEC/B1G, will make up the 2nd tier in college football.....throw in the top G5 teams as well |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 26, 2023 13:36:21 GMT -8
As long as we are throwing out wild theories and speculation, have seen a few sites drum up an ACC + B12 + Pac2 mega conference scenario. End up with a west/central/east division. Not sure it moves the needle at all in terms of TV $, especially if the marquee ACC schools bolt. But it’s on the internet so it’s true. Quantity over quality model. At some point this, along with the eventual cast aways of the SEC/B1G, will make up the 2nd tier in college football.....throw in the top G5 teams as well If this is indeed the master plan and it comes to fruition, I agree there will be castaways, but I don't think that top tier division (whatever it may be called) can survive on only 30 or 40 college teams nationwide. It will still lean on the "college" aspect of the sport (all while essentially being a professional sport). People throw around that 60ish number, if that's the case I OSU easily fits in terms of actual on-the field success (at least equal to or more so than most WC teams not named Oregon, Washington, or USC). |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 26, 2023 14:52:18 GMT -8
Not for me. It goes against everything I have been saying was stupid for the other P12 teams to do travel-wise, especially Stanford and Cal. I would prefer adding Stanford and Cal to the Mountain West schools rather than aligning with a group 3000 miles away. But that's just me.
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Post by grayman on Dec 26, 2023 15:14:23 GMT -8
As long as we are throwing out wild theories and speculation, have seen a few sites drum up an ACC + B12 + Pac2 mega conference scenario. End up with a west/central/east division. Not sure it moves the needle at all in terms of TV $, especially if the marquee ACC schools bolt. But it’s on the internet so it’s true. Quantity over quality model. I think this is not only viable but probably the preference for a lot of schools once the SEC and Big Ten finish with raiding the ACC. The Big 12 can't add everybody. But if Yormark is who I think he is, the Big 12 will be open to helping the ACC and, yes, the Pac, get back on their feet. But it's not so much a mega conference as an alliance between three conferences with the Big 12 filling out the ACC with its eastern teams and filling out the Pac with some of the former Pac-12 teams and maybe BYU. Cal would move over from the ACC and Stanford either chooses to go independent or return as well. A few AAC and/or Sun Belt teams could be added to the ACC and the Pac would probably add a few MWC teams at some point. You would have something like a 10-12-10 team grouping. It forces a return to regionality and allows the three conferences to work together with most likely much more strength when it comes to dealing with the Big Ten and SEC. And it would probably keep things more stable for a longer time. If Yormark chooses to just raid the remains of the ACC, then maybe he adds OSU and WSU as well. If not, then OSU and WSU probably add Cal and maybe Stanford and build from there. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 26, 2023 15:41:29 GMT -8
As long as we are throwing out wild theories and speculation, have seen a few sites drum up an ACC + B12 + Pac2 mega conference scenario. End up with a west/central/east division. Not sure it moves the needle at all in terms of TV $, especially if the marquee ACC schools bolt. But it’s on the internet so it’s true. Quantity over quality model. I think this is not only viable but probably the preference for a lot of schools once the SEC and Big Ten finish with raiding the ACC. The Big 12 can't add everybody. But if Yormark is who I think he is, the Big 12 will be open to helping the ACC and, yes, the Pac, get back on their feet. But it's not so much a mega conference as an alliance between three conferences with the Big 12 filling out the ACC with its eastern teams and filling out the Pac with some of the former Pac-12 teams and maybe BYU. Cal would move over from the ACC and Stanford either chooses to go independent or return as well. A few AAC and/or Sun Belt teams could be added to the ACC and the Pac would probably add a few MWC teams at some point. You would have something like a 10-12-10 team grouping. It forces a return to regionality and allows the three conferences to work together with most likely much more strength when it comes to dealing with the Big Ten and SEC. And it would probably keep things more stable for a longer time. If Yormark chooses to just raid the remains of the ACC, then maybe he adds OSU and WSU as well. If not, then OSU and WSU probably add Cal and maybe Stanford and build from there. I don't think Yormark is adding anybody much less create a coast-to-coast conference without the blessing of his media overlords. Yormark is getting a ton of credit for outplaying the goofs running the Pac 12 and vulturing the four corner schools when the Pac 12 finally started to crumble, but I don't think he is remotely the power player that Sankey or Pettiti is. I'm not sure at this point he's even creating value, although he does have vision about the future of College hoops. I don't know, it seems like everything he's done (certainly all credit to him for doing it), was kinda the obvious move. Backfill the Big 12 with the best 4 G5 schools, leapfrog the Pac 12 in TV negotiations because duh, then leach the 4 corner schools. Now the big rumor is adding the ACC leftovers and maybe the two bastard sons of the Pac 12? let me know when he signs FSU and Clemson, or leaches Texas A&M from the SEC. |
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Post by seastape on Dec 26, 2023 15:57:50 GMT -8
I think this is not only viable but probably the preference for a lot of schools once the SEC and Big Ten finish with raiding the ACC. The Big 12 can't add everybody. But if Yormark is who I think he is, the Big 12 will be open to helping the ACC and, yes, the Pac, get back on their feet. But it's not so much a mega conference as an alliance between three conferences with the Big 12 filling out the ACC with its eastern teams and filling out the Pac with some of the former Pac-12 teams and maybe BYU. Cal would move over from the ACC and Stanford either chooses to go independent or return as well. A few AAC and/or Sun Belt teams could be added to the ACC and the Pac would probably add a few MWC teams at some point. You would have something like a 10-12-10 team grouping. It forces a return to regionality and allows the three conferences to work together with most likely much more strength when it comes to dealing with the Big Ten and SEC. And it would probably keep things more stable for a longer time. If Yormark chooses to just raid the remains of the ACC, then maybe he adds OSU and WSU as well. If not, then OSU and WSU probably add Cal and maybe Stanford and build from there. I don't think Yormark is adding anybody much less create a coast-to-coast conference without the blessing of his media overlords. Yormark is getting a ton of credit for outplaying the goofs running the Pac 12 and vulturing the four corner schools when the Pac 12 finally started to crumble, but I don't think he is remotely the power player that Sankey or Pettiti is. I'm not sure at this point he's even creating value, although he does have vision about the future of College hoops. I don't know, it seems like everything he's done (certainly all credit to him for doing it), was kinda the obvious move. Backfill the Big 12 with the best 4 G5 schools, leapfrog the Pac 12 in TV negotiations because duh, then leach the 4 corner schools. Now the big rumor is adding the ACC leftovers and maybe the two bastard sons of the Pac 12? let me know when he signs FSU and Clemson, or leaches Texas A&M from the SEC. Yeah...there were a lot of people high on Yormark after he stepped in to get the deal that the Pac rejected. That was a no brainer. He knew ESPN wasn't going to offer any more and probably had the smarts to understand that slots were limited. Of course he jumped on it. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 26, 2023 16:12:32 GMT -8
I don't think Yormark is adding anybody much less create a coast-to-coast conference without the blessing of his media overlords. Yormark is getting a ton of credit for outplaying the goofs running the Pac 12 and vulturing the four corner schools when the Pac 12 finally started to crumble, but I don't think he is remotely the power player that Sankey or Pettiti is. I'm not sure at this point he's even creating value, although he does have vision about the future of College hoops. I don't know, it seems like everything he's done (certainly all credit to him for doing it), was kinda the obvious move. Backfill the Big 12 with the best 4 G5 schools, leapfrog the Pac 12 in TV negotiations because duh, then leach the 4 corner schools. Now the big rumor is adding the ACC leftovers and maybe the two bastard sons of the Pac 12? let me know when he signs FSU and Clemson, or leaches Texas A&M from the SEC. Yeah...there were a lot of people high on Yormark after he stepped in to get the deal that the Pac rejected. That was a no brainer. He knew ESPN wasn't going to offer any more and probably had the smarts to understand that slots were limited. Of course he jumped on it. He's been proactive in protecting his conference. Can't say that for the Pac-12, can we? |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 26, 2023 16:13:52 GMT -8
I appreciate the hope here...but again, this is all being dictated by 2 TV Networks. So basically a small handful of teams. And once those bail, I'm guessing there are loopholes to end or renegotiate the ACC TV contract. The two schools that might hold the most value arent even football powerehouses...North Carolina and Virginia. I read something yesterday the SEC only would want FSU to keep the BIG out of Florida, but in that case they would have to absorb Miami too. I'd be shocked if the SEC and BIG absorb 4 ACC teams each. Although again...that would be a TV decision. What's left is virtually void of major TV value, and adding OSU and WSU doesn't move the needle. IMO the best move for the PAC 2 is to rebuild the PAC with west coast schools and maximize the value of the Pacific Time Zone. I really can't see big TV money...or value to OSU, in creating some quasi alliance with the ACC leftovers I think people are too quick to dismiss the idea of a disruptor entering the fray, and too quick to dismiss the idea of that disruptor being effective. Streaming is the future of all media consumption, and partnering with Apple gives a completely new audience to advertise to, just like every time I open my Amazon Prime app to watch the latest episode of Reacher and am greeted with a fullscreen streaming ad for NFL on Prime which gives an immediate click into the game (if it's live) you can't even comprehend the "ah what the hell, that sounds good" factor. If they're using the PAC12 network apparatus to film the "Hard Knocks" style behind the scenes videos, and if they partner with the sites that are already producing streaming content (think Angie Machado's podcasts and Beaverblitz practice coverage).. oh man. The potential to tie it all together is so much higher than a traditional network on cable. I just don't think that ESPN/Fox truly have a stranglehold forever. Apple has indicated some interest, it didn't work out - but that doesn't mean they won't absolutely get serious about it. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 26, 2023 16:19:43 GMT -8
I think this is not only viable but probably the preference for a lot of schools once the SEC and Big Ten finish with raiding the ACC. The Big 12 can't add everybody. But if Yormark is who I think he is, the Big 12 will be open to helping the ACC and, yes, the Pac, get back on their feet. But it's not so much a mega conference as an alliance between three conferences with the Big 12 filling out the ACC with its eastern teams and filling out the Pac with some of the former Pac-12 teams and maybe BYU. Cal would move over from the ACC and Stanford either chooses to go independent or return as well. A few AAC and/or Sun Belt teams could be added to the ACC and the Pac would probably add a few MWC teams at some point. You would have something like a 10-12-10 team grouping. It forces a return to regionality and allows the three conferences to work together with most likely much more strength when it comes to dealing with the Big Ten and SEC. And it would probably keep things more stable for a longer time. If Yormark chooses to just raid the remains of the ACC, then maybe he adds OSU and WSU as well. If not, then OSU and WSU probably add Cal and maybe Stanford and build from there. much less create a coast-to-coast conference without the blessing of his media overlords. Yormark is getting a ton of credit for outplaying the goofs running the Pac 12 and vulturing the four corner schools when the Pac 12 finally started to crumble, but I don't think he is remotely the power player that Sankey or Pettiti is. I'm not sure at this point he's even creating value, although he does have vision about the future of College hoops. I don't know, it seems like everything he's done (certainly all credit to him for doing it), was kinda the obvious move. Backfill the Big 12 with the best 4 G5 schools, leapfrog the Pac 12 in TV negotiations because duh, then leach the 4 corner schools. Now the big rumor is adding the ACC leftovers and maybe the two bastard sons of the Pac 12? let me know when he signs FSU and Clemson, or leaches Texas A&M from the SEC. Where do you get this idea? Something he said back in August (and later went on to talk about adding Gonzaga)? He will 100 percent add ACC teams if he can get what he wants. As I said, he's proactive. If he thinks that helping to facilitate a three-conference alliance helps to protect the Big 12 moving forward, he will do so. And while the Big 12 is in a position of strength compared to the Pac-2 and soon the ACC, he most likely understands that if the Big 12 tries to stand alone, that could prove to be damaging in the long run. Possibly severely damaging. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 26, 2023 16:23:11 GMT -8
I appreciate the hope here...but again, this is all being dictated by 2 TV Networks. So basically a small handful of teams. And once those bail, I'm guessing there are loopholes to end or renegotiate the ACC TV contract. The two schools that might hold the most value arent even football powerehouses...North Carolina and Virginia. I read something yesterday the SEC only would want FSU to keep the BIG out of Florida, but in that case they would have to absorb Miami too. I'd be shocked if the SEC and BIG absorb 4 ACC teams each. Although again...that would be a TV decision. What's left is virtually void of major TV value, and adding OSU and WSU doesn't move the needle. IMO the best move for the PAC 2 is to rebuild the PAC with west coast schools and maximize the value of the Pacific Time Zone. I really can't see big TV money...or value to OSU, in creating some quasi alliance with the ACC leftovers I think people are too quick to dismiss the idea of a disruptor entering the fray, and too quick to dismiss the idea of that disruptor being effective. Streaming is the future of all media consumption, and partnering with Apple gives a completely new audience to advertise to, just like every time I open my Amazon Prime app to watch the latest episode of Reacher and am greeted with a fullscreen streaming ad for NFL on Prime which gives an immediate click into the game (if it's live) you can't even comprehend the "ah what the hell, that sounds good" factor. If they're using the PAC12 network apparatus to film the "Hard Knocks" style behind the scenes videos, and if they partner with the sites that are already producing streaming content (think Angie Machado's podcasts and Beaverblitz practice coverage).. oh man. The potential to tie it all together is so much higher than a traditional network on cable. I just don't think that ESPN/Fox truly have a stranglehold forever. Apple has indicated some interest, it didn't work out - but that doesn't mean they won't absolutely get serious about it. Totally agree...but when. I've also read Apple wants to buy ESPN...so maybe that is their ultimate goal in all this. Let ESPN create the best college football product then swoop in. I don't think the dregs of the ACC plus the G4 has more value than the Pac 12 Apple was negotiating with. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 26, 2023 16:27:56 GMT -8
I don't think Yormark is adding anybody much less create a coast-to-coast conference without the blessing of his media overlords. Yormark is getting a ton of credit for outplaying the goofs running the Pac 12 and vulturing the four corner schools when the Pac 12 finally started to crumble, but I don't think he is remotely the power player that Sankey or Pettiti is. I'm not sure at this point he's even creating value, although he does have vision about the future of College hoops. I don't know, it seems like everything he's done (certainly all credit to him for doing it), was kinda the obvious move. Backfill the Big 12 with the best 4 G5 schools, leapfrog the Pac 12 in TV negotiations because duh, then leach the 4 corner schools. Now the big rumor is adding the ACC leftovers and maybe the two bastard sons of the Pac 12? let me know when he signs FSU and Clemson, or leaches Texas A&M from the SEC. Where do you get this idea? Something he said back in August (and later went on to talk about adding Gonzaga)? He will 100 percent add ACC teams if he can get what he wants. As I said, he's proactive. If he thinks that helping to facilitate a three-conference alliance helps to protect the Big 12 moving forward, he will do so. And while the Big 12 is in a position of strength compared to the Pac-2 and soon the ACC, he most likely understands that if the Big 12 tries to stand alone, that could prove to be damaging in the long run. Possibly severely damaging. Yormark isn't the one paying Big 12 teams 30plus million per school. So unless those leftover ACC teams move to the Big 12 for free, he can't add anyone unless the existing teams agree to take a hair cut (not gonna happen) or the money men (TV networks) agree to pay the schools. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 26, 2023 16:35:04 GMT -8
Where do you get this idea? Something he said back in August (and later went on to talk about adding Gonzaga)? He will 100 percent add ACC teams if he can get what he wants. As I said, he's proactive. If he thinks that helping to facilitate a three-conference alliance helps to protect the Big 12 moving forward, he will do so. And while the Big 12 is in a position of strength compared to the Pac-2 and soon the ACC, he most likely understands that if the Big 12 tries to stand alone, that could prove to be damaging in the long run. Possibly severely damaging. Yormark isn't the one paying Big 12 teams 30plus million per school. So unless those leftover ACC teams move to the Big 12 for free, he can't add anyone unless the existing teams agree to take a hair cut (not gonna happen) or the money men (TV networks) agree to pay the schools. Well, broadcasting college football is very lucrative. Pretty sure a deal can be made no matter what happens. Nobody is going anywhere for free except SMU. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 26, 2023 16:45:45 GMT -8
Also regarding the Big 12 adding teams, I thought I had read that they had the ability to add more under the pro rata agreement. Found this:
"The Big 12 negotiated a pro rata clause into its contract, meaning the conference is assured of getting a raise if it expands with another Power Five school."
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 26, 2023 17:05:02 GMT -8
Also regarding the Big 12 adding teams, I thought I had read that they had the ability to add more under the pro rata agreement. Found this: "The Big 12 negotiated a pro rata clause into its contract, meaning the conference is assured of getting a raise if it expands with another Power Five school." ESPN was the only network that contracted the Pro Rata clause (Fox can opt to match it) and it it was capped at 4 teams, which would have been the four corner schools. ESPN is something like 70% of total contact. I have no idea if they renegotiated to allow for more expansion...but I do know it is only ESPN that agreed to the otiginal expansion clause. |
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