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Post by grackle on Dec 25, 2023 10:11:51 GMT -8
There's a fair amount of discussion on various blogs/radio sports talk of the following: IF (and that's a big if) FSU wins their lawsuit to get out of the ACC, then the Carolinas and Clemson would almost surely follow suit. In that case, Cal and Stanford would very likely leave the ACC as well and immediately seek to rejoin the PAC12.
But, IMO, here's the most intriguing part of this scenario: If the PAC12 were to then join with FSU, the Carolinas and Clemson to form a new "Pacific-Atlantic" conference (which would consist of OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford, FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, South Carolina) you then have an eight team alliance which be a virtual lock to be recognized as a "Power5" level conference and which would attract a huge TV contract.
Apparently the OSU/WSU lawsuit victory has caused us to be taken far more seriously in a lot of quarters.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 25, 2023 10:18:27 GMT -8
But wouldn't the big "brands" in the ACC being trying to join the B1G, or the SEC? Are u assuming they won't want those schools?
Not digging the travel outlook for that either
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Post by grackle on Dec 25, 2023 10:24:38 GMT -8
But wouldn't the big "brands" in the ACC being trying to join the B1G, or the SEC? Are u assuming they won't want those schools? Not digging the travel outlook for that either FWIW, both the SEC and Big10 have stated and restated that there's no interest in expanding beyond the 18 or so members they already have. Given the circumstances, a new Pacific-Atlantic Power5 Conference makes sense and would likely attract a huge TV contract. Also, travel will presumably become less of a concern as football is likely to become "independent" from the lesser sports which would then reasonably reform a lot of the old regional alliances. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 25, 2023 11:03:16 GMT -8
Funny, all the supposed big powers in the ACC will draw a "huge" contract joining with two teams that don't have a conference or media deal?? The new so called "Pacfic-Atlantic" would be better no better than the current ACC yet have significant cross country costs for media production.
The ACC components were already in a P5 conference that has a terrible deal. And, that was based on when Clemson was at their peak. There is no reason for a "huge" deal to be offered.
Top that off with all the ridicule Furd & Cal received for travel considerations. Just a hint... no huge TV will come about for just football. Every current media deal is conference wide. So every sport would be involved in travel if such a huge media deal was out there.
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Post by idaho on Dec 25, 2023 11:19:06 GMT -8
Not a bad idea - Keep the PAC name, West and East - Start to expand from the 8. Has potential. 4 Teams in the East, of which you would travel to two and have two come to you (alternating each year) is not a bad travel plan as compared to what the Trees and Bears were facing.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 25, 2023 11:41:43 GMT -8
But wouldn't the big "brands" in the ACC being trying to join the B1G, or the SEC? Are u assuming they won't want those schools? Not digging the travel outlook for that either FWIW, both the SEC and Big10 have stated and restated that there's no interest in expanding beyond the 18 or so members they already have. Given the circumstances, a new Pacific-Atlantic Power5 Conference makes sense and would likely attract a huge TV contract. Also, travel will presumably become less of a concern as football is likely to become "independent" from the lesser sports which would then reasonably reform a lot of the old regional alliances. What any of these people say means nothing. I'm betting the two hog conferences would scoop up the bigger brands. Why wouldn't they? Eventually the hog conferences will purge some of the weaker football schools anyway. |
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Post by cake on Dec 25, 2023 11:42:03 GMT -8
But wouldn't the big "brands" in the ACC being trying to join the B1G, or the SEC? Are u assuming they won't want those schools? Not digging the travel outlook for that eitherIf it's football only, it wouldn't be a huge deal. And if it's only 8 teams, even sports like baseball would only have two East coast trips to worry about. I could see that working out okay. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 25, 2023 11:44:16 GMT -8
There's a fair amount of discussion on various blogs/radio sports talk of the following: IF (and that's a big if) FSU wins their lawsuit to get out of the ACC, then the Carolinas and Clemson would almost surely follow suit. In that case, Cal and Stanford would very likely leave the ACC as well and immediately seek to rejoin the PAC12. But, IMO, here's the most intriguing part of this scenario: If the PAC12 were to then join with FSU, the Carolinas and Clemson to form a new "Pacific-Atlantic" conference (which would consist of OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford, FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, South Carolina) you then have an eight team alliance which be a virtual lock to be recognized as a "Power5" level conference and which would attract a huge TV contract. Apparently the OSU/WSU lawsuit victory has caused us to be taken far more seriously in a lot of quarters. Florida State, UNC and Clemson want nothing to do at all with Stanford, Cal or anyone on the West Coast. That's why they voted against ACC expansion, twice. They want a big league with big guaranteed money. Under your scenario, we'd have a better chance of merging with the leftovers, not the defectors. PS: South Carolina is in the SEC. It ain't going nowhere. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 25, 2023 18:03:09 GMT -8
But wouldn't the big "brands" in the ACC being trying to join the B1G, or the SEC? Are u assuming they won't want those schools? Not digging the travel outlook for that either FWIW, both the SEC and Big10 have stated and restated that there's no interest in expanding beyond the 18 or so members they already have. Given the circumstances, a new Pacific-Atlantic Power5 Conference makes sense and would likely attract a huge TV contract. Also, travel will presumably become less of a concern as football is likely to become "independent" from the lesser sports which would then reasonably reform a lot of the old regional alliances. I think that it's too late for the Big Ten and SEC in 2024. I think more likely is Clemson, Florida State, Miami, NC State, North Carolina, Virginia, and Virginia Tech forming the backbone of a new conference. The eighth team is probably Duke for a year, and they may need one more to make it all work. I am not so sure that that is anything more than a one-year deal, though. The Big Ten and SEC will fight over those eight. Their pros far outweigh their cons. What happens to the leftovers, I guess? The remaining ACC and Pac-12 teams could merge. I could see that. Oregon State and Wazzu would at least have a media contract that way. |
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Post by grackle on Dec 26, 2023 6:02:55 GMT -8
There's a fair amount of discussion on various blogs/radio sports talk of the following: IF (and that's a big if) FSU wins their lawsuit to get out of the ACC, then the Carolinas and Clemson would almost surely follow suit. In that case, Cal and Stanford would very likely leave the ACC as well and immediately seek to rejoin the PAC12. But, IMO, here's the most intriguing part of this scenario: If the PAC12 were to then join with FSU, the Carolinas and Clemson to form a new "Pacific-Atlantic" conference (which would consist of OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford, FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, South Carolina) you then have an eight team alliance which be a virtual lock to be recognized as a "Power5" level conference and which would attract a huge TV contract. Apparently the OSU/WSU lawsuit victory has caused us to be taken far more seriously in a lot of quarters. Florida State, UNC and Clemson want nothing to do at all with Stanford, Cal or anyone on the West Coast. That's why they voted against ACC expansion, twice. They want a big league with big guaranteed money. Under your scenario, we'd have a better chance of merging with the leftovers, not the defectors. PS: South Carolina is in the SEC. It ain't going nowhere. Yup....sorry Henry....I meant No. Carolina AND No, Carolina STATE, not So. Carolina. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 26, 2023 7:20:50 GMT -8
I appreciate the hope here...but again, this is all being dictated by 2 TV Networks. So basically a small handful of teams. And once those bail, I'm guessing there are loopholes to end or renegotiate the ACC TV contract.
The two schools that might hold the most value arent even football powerehouses...North Carolina and Virginia.
I read something yesterday the SEC only would want FSU to keep the BIG out of Florida, but in that case they would have to absorb Miami too.
I'd be shocked if the SEC and BIG absorb 4 ACC teams each. Although again...that would be a TV decision.
What's left is virtually void of major TV value, and adding OSU and WSU doesn't move the needle.
IMO the best move for the PAC 2 is to rebuild the PAC with west coast schools and maximize the value of the Pacific Time Zone. I really can't see big TV money...or value to OSU, in creating some quasi alliance with the ACC leftovers
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Post by ag87 on Dec 26, 2023 8:57:08 GMT -8
I mostly agree with that. If there's a mass exodus from the ACC, the best thing would be StanU and Cal come back west. A new PAC with OSU, WSU, Stanford,Cal, SMU, SanDiegoState, UNLV, Fresno and maybe a couple extras would probably get a decent TV contract. Maybe Utah and the Arizonas could be enticed? UCLA with more than a full share?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 26, 2023 9:02:25 GMT -8
NBC/Peacock needs to get into college football. NBC has Notre Dame but otherwise its Saturday programming is very weak.
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Post by ag87 on Dec 26, 2023 9:15:05 GMT -8
I mostly agree with that. If there's a mass exodus from the ACC, the best thing would be StanU and Cal come back west. A new PAC with OSU, WSU, Stanford,Cal, SMU, SanDiegoState, UNLV, Fresno and maybe a couple extras would probably get a decent TV contract. Maybe Utah and the Arizonas could be enticed? UCLA with more than a full share? Apologize for quoting on my own post . . . . but something else this would do is take half the Los Angeles and half the Pacific Northwest markets away from the B10. I hope the PAC2 commissioner, whoever that may be, is going all in on further destabilizing the ACC. And then they should start some backroom negotiations with Apple, NBC, or another party. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 26, 2023 9:26:16 GMT -8
I mostly agree with that. If there's a mass exodus from the ACC, the best thing would be StanU and Cal come back west. A new PAC with OSU, WSU, Stanford,Cal, SMU, SanDiegoState, UNLV, Fresno and maybe a couple extras would probably get a decent TV contract. Maybe Utah and the Arizonas could be enticed? UCLA with more than a full share? This. So happy WSU and OSU didnt panic and won two years to watch events unfold. Stanford and Cal indeed may come crawling back out of necessity. I think AZ schools are content in Big 12 but Utah joined up because their hand was forced. I don't think there is much the Big 12 offers Utah that a reformed Pac won't, assuming the money is close enough to offset travel. f%#* UCLA forever...no way they deserve a bigger chunk. They aren't a big draw in their own town. This will be fun to watch for sure...or it sucks to watch but at least maybe OSU takes a leading role in the direction of its future. Maybe not we will see. |
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