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Post by seastape on Dec 24, 2023 20:00:42 GMT -8
Not too surprising. Cauce said, long before UW bailed, that UW wasn't interested in an all-streaming deal. She probably should have just not communicated with anyone during the last days. That way she would not have had to open her mouth (text messages) and lie, but in the end she did what she all along wanted to do. Cohen was on board the whole way, as well.
But let's not kid ourselves: UW and UO put the final nails in the coffin, but it was USC and Fox that stabbed the body in the back, put the dying (but not dead) corpse in the coffin, shut the lid, and started nailing it shut.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 24, 2023 20:32:51 GMT -8
Not too surprising. Cauce said, long before UW bailed, that UW wasn't interested in an all-streaming deal. She probably should have just not communicated with anyone during the last days. That way she would not have had to open her mouth (text messages) and lie, but in the end she did what she all along wanted to do. Cohen was on board the whole way, as well. But let's not kid ourselves: UW and UO put the final nails in the coffin, but it was USC and Fox that stabbed the body in the back, put the dying (but not dead) corpse in the coffin, shut the lid, and started nailing it shut. We could have still saved ourselves but decided that the best play was to piss off Disney. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Dec 24, 2023 23:34:48 GMT -8
Not too surprising. Cauce said, long before UW bailed, that UW wasn't interested in an all-streaming deal. She probably should have just not communicated with anyone during the last days. That way she would not have had to open her mouth (text messages) and lie, but in the end she did what she all along wanted to do. Cohen was on board the whole way, as well. But let's not kid ourselves: UW and UO put the final nails in the coffin, but it was USC and Fox that stabbed the body in the back, put the dying (but not dead) corpse in the coffin, shut the lid, and started nailing it shut. We could have still saved ourselves but decided that the best play was to piss off Disney. uw and uo were never going to agree to 30 mil ESPN deal, it was always just going to be the starting point for negotiations with the b1g. Once the b1g knew the number they had to beat, they would make their offer and uw and uo would be gone. All this talk about the ESPN fall number being a missed opportunity is bs, uw and uo wanted out, and were just waiting for the offer from the b1g to leave. |
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Post by escott58 on Dec 25, 2023 10:14:50 GMT -8
I'm not a huge Canzano fan, but he rails on our old coach (link below) complaining about disloyalty, which is a pretty obvious assessment to Beaver fans... To tie this to the OP's intent, maybe JS was locked in with these money-grubbing people (Cauce and Cohen) who were probably telling him to "get out of Dodge" before everything collapses? Who knows!?! - he just came from uw and knew a lot of people there.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 25, 2023 10:38:41 GMT -8
From the referenced article.
“A report from the University of California regents estimated USC alone represented nearly one-third of the Pac-12’s value to broadcasters.”
No one should have been surprised that TV companies would want to extract that value/market out of the Pac-12 and move that viewership over to further increase the value of an existing property. Even if the travel and logistics didn’t make sense, the money was highly persuasive. Looking at it from USC’s (and to a lesser extent, UCLA’s) unsentimental POV, they likely saw this move as their only way to stay within striking distance of what they considered their national football peers in the new age of NIL.
Once USC, UCLA and Colorado exited, it was every school for themselves. Despite their public attempts to secure a new Pac-12 contract, they were all scrambling to make alternate contingency plans - OSU and WSU included. Unlike Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, Washington, Oregon, Cal and Stanford, no alternate OSU and WSU plans materialized.
The consolation prize is of course, the lion’s share of the remaining present and future Pac-12 assets - a tidy sum to be sure. And the freedom/burden to plan the future of the “conference” over the next 24 months.
Beyond that, who can say?
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 25, 2023 11:59:44 GMT -8
We could have still saved ourselves but decided that the best play was to piss off Disney. uw and uo were never going to agree to 30 mil ESPN deal, it was always just going to be the starting point for negotiations with the b1g. Once the b1g knew the number they had to beat, they would make their offer and uw and uo would be gone. All this talk about the ESPN fall number being a missed opportunity is bs, uw and uo wanted out, and were just waiting for the offer from the b1g to leave. This 100% Whoregon and u dub have bigger plans. Once USC, and UCLA announced they were leaving, this was all a foregone conclusion.....simple math. The TV deals moving forward would be much less than SEC/B1G Same thing with FSU. They see the writing on the wall. If you truly want to be a seat at the table in big boy college football, you need to keep up with the money SEC/B1G are getting. Whether or not they get what they want is to be determined......but they are fighting for it. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 25, 2023 12:03:24 GMT -8
Multiple people/institutions killed the conference......it always comes back to the "brands" not accepting being left behind by the two hog conferences. This has been in the works for a long time.
So does more blame fall on the "brand" schools? Or Larry Scott, and the Pac 12 leadership over the years, who failed to secure the money for the future. I tend put the most blame on Scott. The Pac 12 channel was a death nail.
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Post by ostate on Dec 25, 2023 12:15:18 GMT -8
it was a group effort
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 25, 2023 15:02:58 GMT -8
Multiple people/institutions killed the conference......it always comes back to the "brands" not accepting being left behind by the two hog conferences. This has been in the works for a long time. So does more blame fall on the "brand" schools? Or Larry Scott, and the Pac 12 leadership over the years, who failed to secure the money for the future. I tend put the most blame on Scott. The Pac 12 channel was a death nail. The Pac-12 Channel bungling was a couple hundred grand issue per school per year issue on the high side. It is an annoyance but nowhere near fatal. The issue was that USC was worth 1/3 of the conference and was making 1/12. They were literally giving up 75% of the money that they should have been making to play in Corvallis one year out of four. What killed the conference was failing to go to a keep what you kill model in football. That would have given the Pac-12 the leeway to pry Oklahoma and Texas away from the Big 12. Everything else after that was George K.'s fault or Stanford's fault. Stanford is so toxic that Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Washington probably would have taken a cut in income just to be rid of the Cardinal. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 25, 2023 15:11:07 GMT -8
uw and uo were never going to agree to 30 mil ESPN deal, it was always just going to be the starting point for negotiations with the b1g. Once the b1g knew the number they had to beat, they would make their offer and uw and uo would be gone. All this talk about the ESPN fall number being a missed opportunity is bs, uw and uo wanted out, and were just waiting for the offer from the b1g to leave. This 100% Whoregon and u dub have bigger plans. Once USC, and UCLA announced they were leaving, this was all a foregone conclusion.....simple math. The TV deals moving forward would be much less than SEC/B1G Same thing with FSU. They see the writing on the wall. If you truly want to be a seat at the table in big boy college football, you need to keep up with the money SEC/B1G are getting. Whether or not they get what they want is to be determined......but they are fighting for it. Phil Knight wanted the conference to stay together, though, and tried to make it work. Washington's maneuvering forced Oregon's hand. The Pac-10 plus two could have totally worked. But one of the Four Corners' schools botched it. It may have been a foregone conclusion in the future. Sure. But the Pac-10 plus two could have continued onto at least 2030 and maybe beyond. And it would have given the Southern California schools an opportunity to reassess and maybe come back. And the reassessment may still happen. But the next six years are going to suck a lot more, because we could not get a contract done with ESPN and Fox, when they totally would have paid us $31.7+ million per year, if we would have just negotiated with some humility. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Dec 25, 2023 15:15:29 GMT -8
This 100% Whoregon and u dub have bigger plans. Once USC, and UCLA announced they were leaving, this was all a foregone conclusion.....simple math. The TV deals moving forward would be much less than SEC/B1G Same thing with FSU. They see the writing on the wall. If you truly want to be a seat at the table in big boy college football, you need to keep up with the money SEC/B1G are getting. Whether or not they get what they want is to be determined......but they are fighting for it. Phil Knight wanted the conference to stay together, though, and tried to make it work. Washington's maneuvering forced Oregon's hand. The Pac-10 plus two could have totally worked. But one of the Four Corners' schools botched it. It may have been a foregone conclusion in the future. Sure. But the Pac-10 plus two could have continued onto at least 2030 and maybe beyond. And it would have given the Southern California schools an opportunity to reassess and maybe come back. And the reassessment may still happen. But the next six years are going to suck a lot more, because we could not get a contract done with ESPN and Fox, when they totally would have paid us $31.7+ million per year, if we would have just negotiated with some humility. Unfortunately, “humility” doesn’t exist at the aforementioned programs. Merry Christmas, Wilky and everybody in BeaverNation. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 25, 2023 15:19:40 GMT -8
Phil Knight wanted the conference to stay together, though, and tried to make it work. Washington's maneuvering forced Oregon's hand. The Pac-10 plus two could have totally worked. But one of the Four Corners' schools botched it. It may have been a foregone conclusion in the future. Sure. But the Pac-10 plus two could have continued onto at least 2030 and maybe beyond. And it would have given the Southern California schools an opportunity to reassess and maybe come back. And the reassessment may still happen. But the next six years are going to suck a lot more, because we could not get a contract done with ESPN and Fox, when they totally would have paid us $31.7+ million per year, if we would have just negotiated with some humility. Unfortunately, “humility” doesn’t exist at the aforementioned programs. Merry Christmas, Wilky and everybody in BeaverNation. Merry Christmas, brother! And a Merry Christmas to all of Beaver Nation, wherever you find yourself celebrating this year! |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 25, 2023 17:25:52 GMT -8
Multiple people/institutions killed the conference......it always comes back to the "brands" not accepting being left behind by the two hog conferences. This has been in the works for a long time. So does more blame fall on the "brand" schools? Or Larry Scott, and the Pac 12 leadership over the years, who failed to secure the money for the future. I tend put the most blame on Scott. The Pac 12 channel was a death nail. The Pac-12 Channel bungling was a couple hundred grand issue per school per year issue on the high side. It is an annoyance but nowhere near fatal. The issue was that USC was worth 1/3 of the conference and was making 1/12. They were literally giving up 75% of the money that they should have been making to play in Corvallis one year out of four. What killed the conference was failing to go to a keep what you kill model in football. That would have given the Pac-12 the leeway to pry Oklahoma and Texas away from the Big 12. Everything else after that was George K.'s fault or Stanford's fault. Stanford is so toxic that Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Washington probably would have taken a cut in income just to be rid of the Cardinal. I think you're downplaying how much of a miss the Pac 12 network was. Beyond the money, they couldn't get the distribution deals done on some major subscription services......you know the whole eye balls on tv's |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 25, 2023 17:50:16 GMT -8
The Pac-12 Channel bungling was a couple hundred grand issue per school per year issue on the high side. It is an annoyance but nowhere near fatal. The issue was that USC was worth 1/3 of the conference and was making 1/12. They were literally giving up 75% of the money that they should have been making to play in Corvallis one year out of four. What killed the conference was failing to go to a keep what you kill model in football. That would have given the Pac-12 the leeway to pry Oklahoma and Texas away from the Big 12. Everything else after that was George K.'s fault or Stanford's fault. Stanford is so toxic that Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Washington probably would have taken a cut in income just to be rid of the Cardinal. I think you're downplaying how much of a miss the Pac 12 network was. Beyond the money, they couldn't get the distribution deals done on some major subscription services......you know the whole eye balls on tv's In total, though, the Pac-12 Network was only not on around 25%-30% of all cable TVs. It really should not have been that big of a deal. I think that, psychologically and emotionally, several people overestimate the importance of a "successful" Pac-12 Network versus on "unsuccessful" Pac-12 Network. It certainly was nowhere near the $8-$9 million per team per year blunder that George K. stumbled into after the fact. Or the whole driving around in Montana while UCLA and USC were leaving the conference blunder. Larry Scott was imperfect, but he was not the unmitigated disaster that George K. was. And George K. was hired by Oregon and Washington, too. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 25, 2023 19:00:26 GMT -8
I think you're downplaying how much of a miss the Pac 12 network was. Beyond the money, they couldn't get the distribution deals done on some major subscription services......you know the whole eye balls on tv's In total, though, the Pac-12 Network was only not on around 25%-30% of all cable TVs. It really should not have been that big of a deal. I think that, psychologically and emotionally, several people overestimate the importance of a "successful" Pac-12 Network versus on "unsuccessful" Pac-12 Network. It certainly was nowhere near the $8-$9 million per team per year blunder that George K. stumbled into after the fact. Or the whole driving around in Montana while UCLA and USC were leaving the conference blunder. Larry Scott was imperfect, but he was not the unmitigated disaster that George K. was. And George K. was hired by Oregon and Washington, too. I think George inherited a dumpster fire. No matter what he did, he was going to be ineffectual |
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