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Post by beaverology on Dec 10, 2023 20:27:29 GMT -8
OL Van Wells. 3 star recruit who started 10 games last year for Colorado
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 10, 2023 20:45:57 GMT -8
OL Van Wells. 3 star recruit who started 10 games last year for Colorado /photo/2 This the second offer I’ve seen for a Buff OL. Remember how horrible their OL was? Xs and Os or Jimmys and Joes? I guess we may find out. |
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Post by clydebeav on Dec 10, 2023 20:58:46 GMT -8
OL Van Wells. 3 star recruit who started 10 games last year for Colorado /photo/2 This the second offer I’ve seen for a Buff OL. Remember how horrible their OL was? Xs and Os or Jimmys and Joes? I guess we may find out. We will find out. I’m going to believe in this coaching staff until they give me reason not to. I’m just happy to see them land their first commit. I want players who want to be here. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 10, 2023 21:00:03 GMT -8
OL Van Wells. 3 star recruit who started 10 games last year for Colorado /photo/2 This the second offer I’ve seen for a Buff OL. Remember how horrible their OL was? Xs and Os or Jimmys and Joes? I guess we may find out. Piss poor scheme, play calling with no attempt to be balanced. DL/defenses become very good when there is no run game to have to worry about. But, from what I see these two are the cream of the crop on their team. Plus experience vs talent is welcome. |
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Post by beaverology on Dec 10, 2023 21:00:46 GMT -8
Their offensive line was horrible. At one point, they had given up the highest number of sacks in CFB. And their run game sucked too.
Let's see what Coach Devan can do. I'm fired up about this commit.
Additional info: Van Wells was a sophomore in 2023 and played center for the Buffs.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 10, 2023 21:05:57 GMT -8
If you are going to get an OL from CU this is the one I would want. How high school tape is just him demolishing DTs in the run game.
Hopefully this is an indication we will stick with on the ground.
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Post by ostate on Dec 10, 2023 21:06:26 GMT -8
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Post by boydo on Dec 10, 2023 23:10:38 GMT -8
He was coached by DeVan in Colorado in 2022 and was named a freshman all american by PFF.
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Post by jimbeav on Dec 11, 2023 0:10:32 GMT -8
He was coached by DeVan in Colorado in 2022 and was named a freshman all american by PFF. Oh man, I forgot all about DeVan's Colorado connection. No wonder we're seeing so much interest from Colorado players. And there's an ample supply that got chased off lol! |
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 11, 2023 10:07:09 GMT -8
You can have 5 really talented OL and a s%#tty line if your scheme sucks and the OL coaching sucks and the coordination and responsibilities suck.
Colorado called plays to make Prime's kid put up video game numbers. Set them up for teams to just tee off on them snap after snap with blitzes and pass rushes. No balance or any other attempt to help anybody out.
I wouldn't necessarily hold too much against a Colorado OL, particularly when Prime is out there saying he is just going to replace them all. Dude is a world class sack of s%#t, stuns me how many people want to play for this tool.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 11, 2023 11:03:45 GMT -8
You can have 5 really talented OL and a s%#tty line if your scheme sucks and the OL coaching sucks and the coordination and responsibilities suck. Colorado called plays to make Prime's kid put up video game numbers. Set them up for teams to just tee off on them snap after snap with blitzes and pass rushes. No balance or any other attempt to help anybody out. I wouldn't necessarily hold too much against a Colorado OL, particularly when Prime is out there saying he is just going to replace them all. Dude is a world class sack of s%#t, stuns me how many people want to play for this tool. I wasn't going to go as extreme as you are here. My much less adamant take is that their OL was kind of put out there without much help. Most of the time, they just told those guys to go out there and win one-on-one, and when they couldn't hold up to that all game, they didn't really make too many adjustments to address the issues. Anyhow, same conclusion: It wasn't necessarily that CUs OL was terrible, there was a lot of scheme problems that made them look worse than they probably were. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 11, 2023 12:05:39 GMT -8
You can have 5 really talented OL and a s%#tty line if your scheme sucks and the OL coaching sucks and the coordination and responsibilities suck. Colorado called plays to make Prime's kid put up video game numbers. Set them up for teams to just tee off on them snap after snap with blitzes and pass rushes. No balance or any other attempt to help anybody out. I wouldn't necessarily hold too much against a Colorado OL, particularly when Prime is out there saying he is just going to replace them all. Dude is a world class sack of s%#t, stuns me how many people want to play for this tool. I wasn't going to go as extreme as you are here. My much less adamant take is that their OL was kind of put out there without much help. Most of the time, they just told those guys to go out there and win one-on-one, and when they couldn't hold up to that all game, they didn't really make too many adjustments to address the issues. Anyhow, same conclusion: It wasn't necessarily that CUs OL was terrible, there was a lot of scheme problems that made them look worse than they probably were. Colorado was literally the 133rd ranked rushing attack in the nation. The actual worse rushing attack in division 1 football. They were 119th in attempts at 358, but Shedeur had 111 of them! (for -77 yards) Their two lead running backs combined for a whopping 154 attempts on the season. basically RBs carried the ball about 13 times per game. Their RBs weren't even all that terrible. When an RB got the ball on a designed run, they averaged a little over 4 YPC. not amazing, but certainly decent. Colorado did have a bad line, but those coaches didn't do anyone any favors. Not one single defense ever had to do anything other than pass rush 4, spy/blitz a 5th and put everyone else out in coverage. every single snap. You could just run a zone shell and force Shedeur to scramble around game after game after game. I wouldn't want to play for that scheme either. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Dec 11, 2023 12:23:24 GMT -8
You can have 5 really talented OL and a s%#tty line if your scheme sucks and the OL coaching sucks and the coordination and responsibilities suck. Colorado called plays to make Prime's kid put up video game numbers. Set them up for teams to just tee off on them snap after snap with blitzes and pass rushes. No balance or any other attempt to help anybody out. I wouldn't necessarily hold too much against a Colorado OL, particularly when Prime is out there saying he is just going to replace them all. Dude is a world class sack of s%#t, stuns me how many people want to play for this tool. I wasn't going to go as extreme as you are here. My much less adamant take is that their OL was kind of put out there without much help. Most of the time, they just told those guys to go out there and win one-on-one, and when they couldn't hold up to that all game, they didn't really make too many adjustments to address the issues. Anyhow, same conclusion: It wasn't necessarily that CUs OL was terrible, there was a lot of scheme problems that made them look worse than they probably were. The sack total was brought up a lot this season in the context of how bad the OL was. 56 is a lot, worst in the conference by far and in comparison OSU gave up 15. Along with the points you and others have made regarding play calling, run and pass balance, and lack of coaching and adjustments, a big factor in the sack total was a very patient QB. Shedeur did not throw the ball away or force it into coverage when he was getting pressured. 27 TDs 3 INTs. Not throwing into coverage, good. Not throwing the ball away and taking an incompletion versus extending the play and drastically increasing the odds of a sack is debatable I suppose. It would take some serious fortitude to intentionally protect your completion % to the point of taking that much pounding into the ground week after week. Anyhow, my point being, in addition to the other factors already mentioned the QB's decisions had a great deal to do with the sack totals. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 11, 2023 12:52:47 GMT -8
I wasn't going to go as extreme as you are here. My much less adamant take is that their OL was kind of put out there without much help. Most of the time, they just told those guys to go out there and win one-on-one, and when they couldn't hold up to that all game, they didn't really make too many adjustments to address the issues. Anyhow, same conclusion: It wasn't necessarily that CUs OL was terrible, there was a lot of scheme problems that made them look worse than they probably were. The sack total was brought up a lot this season in the context of how bad the OL was. 56 is a lot, worst in the conference by far and in comparison OSU gave up 15. Along with the points you and others have made regarding play calling, run and pass balance, and lack of coaching and adjustments, a big factor in the sack total was a very patient QB. Shedeur did not throw the ball away or force it into coverage when he was getting pressured. 27 TDs 3 INTs. Not throwing into coverage, good. Not throwing the ball away and taking an incompletion versus extending the play and drastically increasing the odds of a sack is debatable I suppose. It would take some serious fortitude to intentionally protect your completion % to the point of taking that much pounding into the ground week after week. Anyhow, my point being, in addition to the other factors already mentioned the QB's decisions had a great deal to do with the sack totals. Yep, there were literally articles stating the authors suspected Sanders (the coach) was accepting sacks in exchange for high completion percentages and fewer interceptions. |
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