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Post by beavheart on Dec 10, 2023 12:38:30 GMT -8
I see a ton of chirping about him playing against the "best" defenses in the SEC.
He was entirely pedestrian during his 2 years at ASU, but goes to the SEC and dominates. Something doesn't make sense here.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 10, 2023 12:44:52 GMT -8
I see a ton of chirping about him playing against the "best" defenses in the SEC. He was entirely pedestrian during his 2 years at ASU, but goes to the SEC and dominates. Something doesn't make sense here. Neither did Carson Palmer winning. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 10, 2023 14:43:08 GMT -8
I see a ton of chirping about him playing against the "best" defenses in the SEC. He was entirely pedestrian during his 2 years at ASU, but goes to the SEC and dominates. Something doesn't make sense here. Hmmmm... if he was "pedestrian" at ASU playing for a crap offense scheme and jerk of a HC I'll take walking around like that... Almost 6000 yds passing at 62% including starting as true Frosh and playing injured (4) games in 2020, 32 TD, 13 INT... almost 1300 yds rushing with 13 more TDs. Matures... players do that as they get older... play for a far more open offense with far more talent around him... and it's because the SEC D is weaker than the Pac12? The kid is a college football stud. |
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Post by beavheart on Dec 10, 2023 15:12:20 GMT -8
I see a ton of chirping about him playing against the "best" defenses in the SEC. He was entirely pedestrian during his 2 years at ASU, but goes to the SEC and dominates. Something doesn't make sense here. Hmmmm... if he was "pedestrian" at ASU playing for a crap offense scheme and jerk of a HC I'll take walking around like that... Almost 6000 yds passing at 62% including starting as true Frosh and playing injured (4) games in 2020, 32 TD, 13 INT... almost 1300 yds rushing with 13 more TDs. Matures... players do that as they get older... play for a far more open offense with far more talent around him... and it's because the SEC D is weaker than the Pac12? The kid is a college football stud. I watched him play at ASU, just like you did. The stats really don't mean that much to me. Yeah, he was ok while at ASU. I didn't ever think he was remotely Heisman material, and neither did anyone else. Then goes and is surrounded by "way more talent" and just kills it? 1 year makes all the difference? What about all that talent on the SEC defenses? Shouldn't it have been MORE difficult for him in the SEC? Bottom line, the hype given to the SEC is completely out of hand. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 10, 2023 15:49:07 GMT -8
Hmmmm... if he was "pedestrian" at ASU playing for a crap offense scheme and jerk of a HC I'll take walking around like that... Almost 6000 yds passing at 62% including starting as true Frosh and playing injured (4) games in 2020, 32 TD, 13 INT... almost 1300 yds rushing with 13 more TDs. Matures... players do that as they get older... play for a far more open offense with far more talent around him... and it's because the SEC D is weaker than the Pac12? The kid is a college football stud. I watched him play at ASU, just like you did. The stats really don't mean that much to me. Yeah, he was ok while at ASU. I didn't ever think he was remotely Heisman material, and neither did anyone else. Then goes and is surrounded by "way more talent" and just kills it? 1 year makes all the difference? What about all that talent on the SEC defenses? Shouldn't it have been MORE difficult for him in the SEC? Bottom line, the hype given to the SEC is completely out of hand. FFS he is the best player at the most hyped position in college football. It doesn't matter what he was like at ASU (and he was hyped as a recruit and while at ASU... and was not pedestrian period), nor the conference he is in. The guy did things no one else has done anywhere. The SEC hate is also completely out of hand... try just saying congrats vs making up crap to disparage a kid that has no input on the hype and has done nothing but excel, while seemingly also being an outstanding person. SEC hype too I suppose? |
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Post by ftd on Dec 10, 2023 15:59:43 GMT -8
3 of 4 are QBs with pac 12 ties. The old conference could chuck the rock. Plus last year's guy also p12 qb. Too bad such a poor quality conference didn't survive
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Post by beavheart on Dec 10, 2023 17:30:41 GMT -8
I watched him play at ASU, just like you did. The stats really don't mean that much to me. Yeah, he was ok while at ASU. I didn't ever think he was remotely Heisman material, and neither did anyone else. Then goes and is surrounded by "way more talent" and just kills it? 1 year makes all the difference? What about all that talent on the SEC defenses? Shouldn't it have been MORE difficult for him in the SEC? Bottom line, the hype given to the SEC is completely out of hand. FFS he is the best player at the most hyped position in college football. It doesn't matter what he was like at ASU (and he was hyped as a recruit and while at ASU... and was not pedestrian period), nor the conference he is in. The guy did things no one else has done anywhere. The SEC hate is also completely out of hand... try just saying congrats vs making up crap to disparage a kid that has no input on the hype and has done nothing but excel, while seemingly also being an outstanding person. SEC hype too I suppose? OR, "best player" is completely subjective, and one QB showed up in big games while winning them all, and the "best player" didn't, but was given a trophy anyway for some reason. Dude, you are the biggest goal post moving ass on here. So tired of your tripe. Who said anything about the guys character??? Why do you take calling out bias so frigging personally? Maybe some if us are just tired of having the SEC crammed down our throats. SEC is overrated. Nothing more, nothing less. Penix got robbed. That simple. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 10, 2023 17:50:54 GMT -8
FFS he is the best player at the most hyped position in college football. It doesn't matter what he was like at ASU (and he was hyped as a recruit and while at ASU... and was not pedestrian period), nor the conference he is in. The guy did things no one else has done anywhere. The SEC hate is also completely out of hand... try just saying congrats vs making up crap to disparage a kid that has no input on the hype and has done nothing but excel, while seemingly also being an outstanding person. SEC hype too I suppose? OR, "best player" is completely subjective, and one QB showed up in big games while winning them all, and the "best player" didn't, but was given a trophy anyway for some reason. Dude, you are the biggest goal post moving ass on here. So tired of your tripe. Who said anything about the guys character??? Why do you take calling out bias so frigging personally? Maybe some if us are just tired of having the SEC crammed down our throats. SEC is overrated. Nothing more, nothing less. Penix got robbed. That simple. Don't open you mouth and your throat will be fine. Your goal post, not mine! |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 11, 2023 11:14:42 GMT -8
Hmmmm... if he was "pedestrian" at ASU playing for a crap offense scheme and jerk of a HC I'll take walking around like that... Almost 6000 yds passing at 62% including starting as true Frosh and playing injured (4) games in 2020, 32 TD, 13 INT... almost 1300 yds rushing with 13 more TDs. Matures... players do that as they get older... play for a far more open offense with far more talent around him... and it's because the SEC D is weaker than the Pac12? The kid is a college football stud. I watched him play at ASU, just like you did. The stats really don't mean that much to me. Yeah, he was ok while at ASU. I didn't ever think he was remotely Heisman material, and neither did anyone else. Then goes and is surrounded by "way more talent" and just kills it? 1 year makes all the difference? What about all that talent on the SEC defenses? Shouldn't it have been MORE difficult for him in the SEC? Bottom line, the hype given to the SEC is completely out of hand. Joe Burrow couldn't even break into tOSUs starting line-up. Went to LSU and set all kinds of records there, won Heisman, NC, 1/1 in draft, SB in 2nd year. Daniels may have exploded on the CFB world at ASU as well had he stuck around. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 11, 2023 11:23:09 GMT -8
I watched him play at ASU, just like you did. The stats really don't mean that much to me. Yeah, he was ok while at ASU. I didn't ever think he was remotely Heisman material, and neither did anyone else. Then goes and is surrounded by "way more talent" and just kills it? 1 year makes all the difference? What about all that talent on the SEC defenses? Shouldn't it have been MORE difficult for him in the SEC? Bottom line, the hype given to the SEC is completely out of hand. Joe Burrow couldn't even break into tOSUs starting line-up. Went to LSU and set all kinds of records there, won Heisman, NC, 1/1 in draft, SB in 2nd year. Daniels may have exploded on the CFB world at ASU as well had he stuck around. Yes, and there were some real issues at ASU that last year. Very negative team chemistry. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 11, 2023 13:44:07 GMT -8
Joe Burrow couldn't even break into tOSUs starting line-up. Went to LSU and set all kinds of records there, won Heisman, NC, 1/1 in draft, SB in 2nd year. Daniels may have exploded on the CFB world at ASU as well had he stuck around. Yes, and there were some real issues at ASU that last year. Very negative team chemistry. Daniels was already on his second offensive coordinator and announced that he would be entering the portal in 2022 after his second offensive coordinator resigned in the wake of Arizona State's recruiting scandal breaking, which ultimately caused the Devils to announce that they would be self-imposing a bowl ban this year. Add to that that Kelly had just taken the LSU job and was looking for a new quarterback. LSU had originally tried to recruit Daniels to Baton Rouge back in 2018, but Daniels seemed like he wanted to stay out West (he's from San Bernardino) back in 2018. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 11, 2023 13:53:01 GMT -8
Yes, and there were some real issues at ASU that last year. Very negative team chemistry. Daniels was already on his second offensive coordinator and announced that he would be entering the portal in 2022 after his second offensive coordinator resigned in the wake of Arizona State's recruiting scandal breaking, which ultimately caused the Devils to announce that they would be self-imposing a bowl ban this year. Add to that that Kelly had just taken the LSU job and was looking for a new quarterback. LSU had originally tried to recruit Daniels to Baton Rouge back in 2018, but Daniels seemed like he wanted to stay out West (he's from San Bernardino) back in 2018. I know I am in the minority on this, and you will not agree Wilky, but I am glad just about anyone but Penix or Nix received the Heisman. Really do not want to hear that Nix is a great guy, or Penix. Right or wrong, they chose to board a traitorous back stabbing crew on board a ship, so to speak. And now that the ships captain has stabbed the other captains (mainly two) in the back before sailing away, I do not care if they are merely a deck hand. Choose more wisely the crew you join next time. Glad neither one won the Heisman
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Post by hottubbeaver on Dec 11, 2023 14:00:49 GMT -8
I watched him play at ASU, just like you did. The stats really don't mean that much to me. Yeah, he was ok while at ASU. I didn't ever think he was remotely Heisman material, and neither did anyone else. Then goes and is surrounded by "way more talent" and just kills it? 1 year makes all the difference? What about all that talent on the SEC defenses? Shouldn't it have been MORE difficult for him in the SEC? Bottom line, the hype given to the SEC is completely out of hand. Joe Burrow couldn't even break into tOSUs starting line-up. Went to LSU and set all kinds of records there, won Heisman, NC, 1/1 in draft, SB in 2nd year. Daniels may have exploded on the CFB world at ASU as well had he stuck around. I watched the condensed version of several LSU games and Daniels was pretty spectacular. Dropped long balls into tight windows, zipped balls between defenders, bought time in the pocket with his elusiveness, and had some impressive runs making defenders look silly. He did it all. Was he better than Penix, it's subjective and I'm not convinced he was. What isn't subjective, Ben G won MVP vs an SEC defense. He also put up one of his best passer ratings of the season on an SEC defense. The only D's he had better ratings against were an FCS school and the bottom few P12 teams. |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 11, 2023 14:04:05 GMT -8
Daniels was already on his second offensive coordinator and announced that he would be entering the portal in 2022 after his second offensive coordinator resigned in the wake of Arizona State's recruiting scandal breaking, which ultimately caused the Devils to announce that they would be self-imposing a bowl ban this year. Add to that that Kelly had just taken the LSU job and was looking for a new quarterback. LSU had originally tried to recruit Daniels to Baton Rouge back in 2018, but Daniels seemed like he wanted to stay out West (he's from San Bernardino) back in 2018. I know I am in the minority on this, and you will not agree Wilky, but I am glad just about anyone but Penix or Nix received the Heisman. Really do not want to hear that Nix is a great guy, or Penix. Right or wrong, they chose to board a traitorous back stabbing crew on board a ship, so to speak. And now that the ships captain has stabbed the other captains (mainly two) in the back before sailing away, I do not care if they are merely a deck hand. Choose more wisely the crew you join next time. Glad neither one won the Heisman
It's tough to separate individuals from the program, but I was largely happy for Mariota when he won the Heisman to be honest - and it was somewhat of a relief when OSU took out a full page ad to congratulate him. It was classy and it set the tone so we as the fanbase didn't have to feel guilty for thinking Marcus deserved it. I'd like to think the same thing would apply here but.... I'm super bitter about the way that Oregon in particular did nothing to try and keep together with their storied in-state rival. So.. yeah. I'm with you. I'm glad neither of them won either. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 11, 2023 14:31:47 GMT -8
I know I am in the minority on this, and you will not agree Wilky, but I am glad just about anyone but Penix or Nix received the Heisman. Really do not want to hear that Nix is a great guy, or Penix. Right or wrong, they chose to board a traitorous back stabbing crew on board a ship, so to speak. And now that the ships captain has stabbed the other captains (mainly two) in the back before sailing away, I do not care if they are merely a deck hand. Choose more wisely the crew you join next time. Glad neither one won the Heisman
It's tough to separate individuals from the program, but I was largely happy for Mariota when he won the Heisman to be honest - and it was somewhat of a relief when OSU took out a full page ad to congratulate him. It was classy and it set the tone so we as the fanbase didn't have to feel guilty for thinking Marcus deserved it. I'd like to think the same thing would apply here but.... I'm super bitter about the way that Oregon in particular did nothing to try and keep together with their storied in-state rival. So.. yeah. I'm with you. I'm glad neither of them won either. ^This^ |
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