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Post by ftd on Nov 21, 2023 15:57:19 GMT -8
Getting to Corvallis from Portland metro area isn't bad on game day as travel starts at different times for different people..Going home..another story...most all leave about the same time. Getting out of Corvallis is 'fairly' well organized, but getting onto i-5 north can be a pain (at least ieast it's not a left turn like it was back in the day). We normally stay in the left lane, cross over i-5, make a U turn at the small convenience store and jump on from the north side....not sure why more don't do that...
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Post by bvrbred on Nov 21, 2023 17:19:35 GMT -8
Probably too complicated for someone flying into PDX from out of state, but you can avoid the I-5 mess by delaying I-5 until Salem. 9th St to 99W then north to HWY22 into Salem and out Salem Parkway (old name) to I-5.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 21, 2023 17:20:38 GMT -8
Ironically, I was in Lubbock last weekend for the game vs UCF. Lubbock is a bad example. There is a ton of ranch money and oil money in that area. Lubbock Preston Smith is an international airport. Tons of nice hotel options in Lubbock. 10 minute Uber ride from the stadium. Easy 1 hour flight in from Dallas. 2 hour flight out to Phoenix. Great, but what if you're not coming from Dallas or Phoenix? Doesn't sound much different than the Eugene airport to me. Eugene is classified as a regional airport. Lubbock is classified as an international airport. Houston, Dallas, Austin, Denver, San Diego, Las Vegas, Memphis all have direct flights in and out of Lubbock. Plus all the regional flights like Odessa blah blah blah. However, in the context of this conversation they're in the Big12 and that means you're connecting in one of those cities. I think you have some better flight options with the cities that Eugene services due to Denver, Salt Lake, Phoenix and Seattle all being hubs. So a point for Eugene there. But my point still remains: It's not remote to the context that Corvallis is. It's not a huge airport by any stretch, but it's bigger than Eugene and it's 10 minutes from the campus ON GAME DAY. Lubbock is close to a huge population base and it's much easier and more convenient to get to for a greater number of people. Anyway. When it comes down to it, it's about eyeballs. I was looking for some information on how the Power 5 conferences were ranked. One of the rankings I saw had the Beavers rated near dead last. It was written following the 2021 season and it had some stupid, extremely subjective criteria (football program average ranking in the last 5 years, viewership numbers accounted for approximately 40% of the ranking) but it still was a bit sobering to understand this is how the Beavers are perceived. And really that's the problem. I'm arguing with you over details like how many minutes it is to get from the airport, and I'm wrong for it. The perception is what matters. The perception is created by the current narrative, and that narrative is to dismiss Oregon State as being a sleepy remote program that might be better off at a lower level of competition. Our profile as a program is very low. I don't think the marketing department is solely to blame. These days, they do an incredible job. There was a time when they frankly did not. That's lost momentum, for sure. But more recently: One of the bad things about the Pac-12 network is that Oregon State games typically had very late kickoffs and on a network without much accessibility for casual viewers. Job One for Oregon State has to be to raise that profile. Now is that moment. An aggressive campaign to play an independent schedule and grab headlines has to be in play here. The Beavs have to get on TV, early games, back East. They have to play a schedule that gets them to a bowl game. They don't have to win every game, they can lose games against quality opponents, but they have to be entertaining. They have to win some. Deion Sanders coming to Colorado shone a spotlight on the program. They won some games and were darlings for a minute. Oregon State winning in court along with Washington State and the sweepstakes to join the conference will be an entertaining angle to cover, IF Oregon State and Washington State do not appear to be a threat to the networks. The "remote" label will disappear if Oregon State can parlay this situation into being in a power broker position. The perception will change. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 21, 2023 17:26:22 GMT -8
Thanks for the airport info. Did not know that.
Lubbock sure seems remote if you're driving there, though. On the freaking moon remote.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 21, 2023 18:17:36 GMT -8
Thanks for the airport info. Did not know that. Lubbock sure seems remote if you're driving there, though. On the freaking moon remote. Amen to that. I didn't intend the info to be necessarily pedantic, it was more intended to be encouragement for anybody who might be considering a trip to a road game there in the future for some reason, whether it be the Beavs or some other reason. It was a pretty good experience. |
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Post by bdudbeaver on Nov 21, 2023 18:51:35 GMT -8
What's the point of this thread? I thought the realignment was about watching games on TV.
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Post by ag87 on Nov 21, 2023 19:42:16 GMT -8
Great, but what if you're not coming from Dallas or Phoenix? Doesn't sound much different than the Eugene airport to me. Eugene is classified as a regional airport. Lubbock is classified as an international airport. Houston, Dallas, Austin, Denver, San Diego, Las Vegas, Memphis all have direct flights in and out of Lubbock. Plus all the regional flights like Odessa blah blah blah. However, in the context of this conversation they're in the Big12 and that means you're connecting in one of those cities. I think you have some better flight options with the cities that Eugene services due to Denver, Salt Lake, Phoenix and Seattle all being hubs. So a point for Eugene there. But my point still remains: It's not remote to the context that Corvallis is. It's not a huge airport by any stretch, but it's bigger than Eugene and it's 10 minutes from the campus ON GAME DAY. Lubbock is close to a huge population base and it's much easier and more convenient to get to for a greater number of people. Anyway. When it comes down to it, it's about eyeballs. I was looking for some information on how the Power 5 conferences were ranked. One of the rankings I saw had the Beavers rated near dead last. It was written following the 2021 season and it had some stupid, extremely subjective criteria (football program average ranking in the last 5 years, viewership numbers accounted for approximately 40% of the ranking) but it still was a bit sobering to understand this is how the Beavers are perceived. And really that's the problem. I'm arguing with you over details like how many minutes it is to get from the airport, and I'm wrong for it. The perception is what matters. The perception is created by the current narrative, and that narrative is to dismiss Oregon State as being a sleepy remote program that might be better off at a lower level of competition. Our profile as a program is very low. I don't think the marketing department is solely to blame. These days, they do an incredible job. There was a time when they frankly did not. That's lost momentum, for sure. But more recently: One of the bad things about the Pac-12 network is that Oregon State games typically had very late kickoffs and on a network without much accessibility for casual viewers. Job One for Oregon State has to be to raise that profile. Now is that moment. An aggressive campaign to play an independent schedule and grab headlines has to be in play here. The Beavs have to get on TV, early games, back East. They have to play a schedule that gets them to a bowl game. They don't have to win every game, they can lose games against quality opponents, but they have to be entertaining. They have to win some. Deion Sanders coming to Colorado shone a spotlight on the program. They won some games and were darlings for a minute. Oregon State winning in court along with Washington State and the sweepstakes to join the conference will be an entertaining angle to cover, IF Oregon State and Washington State do not appear to be a threat to the networks. The "remote" label will disappear if Oregon State can parlay this situation into being in a power broker position. The perception will change. I've been thinking about airports recently. Anyway, for calendar year 2022, Lubbock was the 131st largest airport in the US based on enplanements. Relevant other airports are Eugene (#106, about 50% more passengers than Lubbock), Medford #130, Redmond #126, North Bend #343, Fresno #94, Tucson #78, and Portland #33 (about nine times larger than EUG). The top 20 in order are ATL, DFW, Denver, Chicago O'Hare, LAX, JFK, Las Vegas, Orlando, Miami, Charlotte, SEA, PHX, Newark, SFO, Houston, Boston, Fort Lauderdale, MSP, LaGuardia, and Detroit. Atlanta is roughly double Seattle. Seattle is double #25 Baltimore-Washington. BWI is double #39 San Jose. SJC is double #56 Ontario. ONT is double #83 Des Moines. DSM is double #111 Manchester, NH. I don't know why Lubbock is known as an international airport. Regularly scheduled commercial service is to Las Vegas, Phoenix, Denver, DFW, Dallas Love, Austin, and the two Houston airports. Eugene has service to SEA, SFO, Oakland, LAX, Orange County, Burbank, Las Vegas, San Diego, Phoenix, DFW, San Jose and Denver. www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2023-09/cy22-commercial-service-enplanements.pdf |
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 21, 2023 20:15:48 GMT -8
Eugene is classified as a regional airport. Lubbock is classified as an international airport. Houston, Dallas, Austin, Denver, San Diego, Las Vegas, Memphis all have direct flights in and out of Lubbock. Plus all the regional flights like Odessa blah blah blah. However, in the context of this conversation they're in the Big12 and that means you're connecting in one of those cities. I think you have some better flight options with the cities that Eugene services due to Denver, Salt Lake, Phoenix and Seattle all being hubs. So a point for Eugene there. But my point still remains: It's not remote to the context that Corvallis is. It's not a huge airport by any stretch, but it's bigger than Eugene and it's 10 minutes from the campus ON GAME DAY. Lubbock is close to a huge population base and it's much easier and more convenient to get to for a greater number of people. Anyway. When it comes down to it, it's about eyeballs. I was looking for some information on how the Power 5 conferences were ranked. One of the rankings I saw had the Beavers rated near dead last. It was written following the 2021 season and it had some stupid, extremely subjective criteria (football program average ranking in the last 5 years, viewership numbers accounted for approximately 40% of the ranking) but it still was a bit sobering to understand this is how the Beavers are perceived. And really that's the problem. I'm arguing with you over details like how many minutes it is to get from the airport, and I'm wrong for it. The perception is what matters. The perception is created by the current narrative, and that narrative is to dismiss Oregon State as being a sleepy remote program that might be better off at a lower level of competition. Our profile as a program is very low. I don't think the marketing department is solely to blame. These days, they do an incredible job. There was a time when they frankly did not. That's lost momentum, for sure. But more recently: One of the bad things about the Pac-12 network is that Oregon State games typically had very late kickoffs and on a network without much accessibility for casual viewers. Job One for Oregon State has to be to raise that profile. Now is that moment. An aggressive campaign to play an independent schedule and grab headlines has to be in play here. The Beavs have to get on TV, early games, back East. They have to play a schedule that gets them to a bowl game. They don't have to win every game, they can lose games against quality opponents, but they have to be entertaining. They have to win some. Deion Sanders coming to Colorado shone a spotlight on the program. They won some games and were darlings for a minute. Oregon State winning in court along with Washington State and the sweepstakes to join the conference will be an entertaining angle to cover, IF Oregon State and Washington State do not appear to be a threat to the networks. The "remote" label will disappear if Oregon State can parlay this situation into being in a power broker position. The perception will change. I've been thinking about airports recently. Anyway, for calendar year 2022, Lubbock was the 131st largest airport in the US based on enplanements. Relevant other airports are Eugene (#106, about 50% more passengers than Lubbock), Medford #130, Redmond #126, North Bend #343, Fresno #94, Tucson #78, and Portland #33 (about nine times larger than EUG). The top 20 in order are ATL, DFW, Denver, Chicago O'Hare, LAX, JFK, Las Vegas, Orlando, Miami, Charlotte, SEA, PHX, Newark, SFO, Houston, Boston, Fort Lauderdale, MSP, LaGuardia, and Detroit. Atlanta is roughly double Seattle. Seattle is double #25 Baltimore-Washington. BWI is double #39 San Jose. SJC is double #56 Ontario. ONT is double #83 Des Moines. DSM is double #111 Manchester, NH. I don't know why Lubbock is known as an international airport. Regularly scheduled commercial service is to Las Vegas, Phoenix, Denver, DFW, Dallas Love, Austin, and the two Houston airports. Eugene has service to SEA, SFO, Oakland, LAX, Orange County, Burbank, Las Vegas, San Diego, Phoenix, DFW, San Jose and Denver. www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2023-09/cy22-commercial-service-enplanements.pdfThe “international” designation means nothing. Medford is an “international” airport because they fly cargo to Canada. Lubbock probably flies cargo to Mexico. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 21, 2023 20:39:58 GMT -8
Eugene is classified as a regional airport. Lubbock is classified as an international airport. Houston, Dallas, Austin, Denver, San Diego, Las Vegas, Memphis all have direct flights in and out of Lubbock. Plus all the regional flights like Odessa blah blah blah. However, in the context of this conversation they're in the Big12 and that means you're connecting in one of those cities. I think you have some better flight options with the cities that Eugene services due to Denver, Salt Lake, Phoenix and Seattle all being hubs. So a point for Eugene there. But my point still remains: It's not remote to the context that Corvallis is. It's not a huge airport by any stretch, but it's bigger than Eugene and it's 10 minutes from the campus ON GAME DAY. Lubbock is close to a huge population base and it's much easier and more convenient to get to for a greater number of people. Anyway. When it comes down to it, it's about eyeballs. I was looking for some information on how the Power 5 conferences were ranked. One of the rankings I saw had the Beavers rated near dead last. It was written following the 2021 season and it had some stupid, extremely subjective criteria (football program average ranking in the last 5 years, viewership numbers accounted for approximately 40% of the ranking) but it still was a bit sobering to understand this is how the Beavers are perceived. And really that's the problem. I'm arguing with you over details like how many minutes it is to get from the airport, and I'm wrong for it. The perception is what matters. The perception is created by the current narrative, and that narrative is to dismiss Oregon State as being a sleepy remote program that might be better off at a lower level of competition. Our profile as a program is very low. I don't think the marketing department is solely to blame. These days, they do an incredible job. There was a time when they frankly did not. That's lost momentum, for sure. But more recently: One of the bad things about the Pac-12 network is that Oregon State games typically had very late kickoffs and on a network without much accessibility for casual viewers. Job One for Oregon State has to be to raise that profile. Now is that moment. An aggressive campaign to play an independent schedule and grab headlines has to be in play here. The Beavs have to get on TV, early games, back East. They have to play a schedule that gets them to a bowl game. They don't have to win every game, they can lose games against quality opponents, but they have to be entertaining. They have to win some. Deion Sanders coming to Colorado shone a spotlight on the program. They won some games and were darlings for a minute. Oregon State winning in court along with Washington State and the sweepstakes to join the conference will be an entertaining angle to cover, IF Oregon State and Washington State do not appear to be a threat to the networks. The "remote" label will disappear if Oregon State can parlay this situation into being in a power broker position. The perception will change. I've been thinking about airports recently. Anyway, for calendar year 2022, Lubbock was the 131st largest airport in the US based on enplanements. Relevant other airports are Eugene (#106, about 50% more passengers than Lubbock), Medford #130, Redmond #126, North Bend #343, Fresno #94, Tucson #78, and Portland #33 (about nine times larger than EUG). The top 20 in order are ATL, DFW, Denver, Chicago O'Hare, LAX, JFK, Las Vegas, Orlando, Miami, Charlotte, SEA, PHX, Newark, SFO, Houston, Boston, Fort Lauderdale, MSP, LaGuardia, and Detroit. Atlanta is roughly double Seattle. Seattle is double #25 Baltimore-Washington. BWI is double #39 San Jose. SJC is double #56 Ontario. ONT is double #83 Des Moines. DSM is double #111 Manchester, NH. I don't know why Lubbock is known as an international airport. Regularly scheduled commercial service is to Las Vegas, Phoenix, Denver, DFW, Dallas Love, Austin, and the two Houston airports. Eugene has service to SEA, SFO, Oakland, LAX, Orange County, Burbank, Las Vegas, San Diego, Phoenix, DFW, San Jose and Denver. www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2023-09/cy22-commercial-service-enplanements.pdfYou used to be able to fly internationally from Lubbock. |
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 22, 2023 9:26:27 GMT -8
OSU currently does not even "win" the Oregon market. Eugene is actually considered to be "hard to get to" in the overall scheme of things from other parts of the country. uo wins the market race and the media attention since the mid-90's largely because of Uncle Phil. Having uo go to the Big 10 and OSU rebuilding the PAC could be a bit of a long term blessing in regards to building the local fanbase. If OSU is continually in the championship race in the new Pac Whatever, and uo is continually fighting to stay relevant in the Big10, the following of Oregon locals who didn't attend either university could switch over time. It wouldn't hurt if we at least win a larger chunk of our head to head meetings in the future. What do you suppose the actual market split is? If you ask a d*ck fan they would probably spew nonsense, like 90/10. The casual CFB fan from East coast would probably say the same since that is what pumped out there by all the ditto heads. I personally think it's closer to 60/40, maybe reality is 65/35. At worst the split is 70/30. And that is on the heels of about 10 years of futility by our football program. Bottom line is the small market argument is absurd on it's face, and really anyone who trots it out there either has an agenda or is just looking for a "reason" to support their bias. Which, again, is probably rooted largely in nonsense. Same as others here, I just don't get why our feet are being held to the fire when a bunch other P5 schools in very similar circumstances are given a pass? OKC is on the sw side of Oklahoma city, and it literally takes almost an hour just to drive across the city, it is huge ine square miles. So Stillwater is a good two hours from the airport. |
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Post by bvrbred on Nov 22, 2023 9:39:47 GMT -8
Great, but what if you're not coming from Dallas or Phoenix? Doesn't sound much different than the Eugene airport to me. Anyway. When it comes down to it, it's about eyeballs. I was looking for some information on how the Power 5 conferences were ranked. One of the rankings I saw had the Beavers rated near dead last. It was written following the 2021 season and it had some stupid, extremely subjective criteria (football program average ranking in the last 5 years, viewership numbers accounted for approximately 40% of the ranking) but it still was a bit sobering to understand this is how the Beavers are perceived. And really that's the problem. I'm arguing with you over details like how many minutes it is to get from the airport, and I'm wrong for it. The perception is what matters. The perception is created by the current narrative, and that narrative is to dismiss Oregon State as being a sleepy remote program that might be better off at a lower level of competition. Our profile as a program is very low. I don't think the marketing department is solely to blame. These days, they do an incredible job. There was a time when they frankly did not. That's lost momentum, for sure. But more recently: One of the bad things about the Pac-12 network is that Oregon State games typically had very late kickoffs and on a network without much accessibility for casual viewers. Job One for Oregon State has to be to raise that profile. Now is that moment. An aggressive campaign to play an independent schedule and grab headlines has to be in play here. The Beavs have to get on TV, early games, back East. They have to play a schedule that gets them to a bowl game. They don't have to win every game, they can lose games against quality opponents, but they have to be entertaining. They have to win some. Deion Sanders coming to Colorado shone a spotlight on the program. They won some games and were darlings for a minute. Oregon State winning in court along with Washington State and the sweepstakes to join the conference will be an entertaining angle to cover, IF Oregon State and Washington State do not appear to be a threat to the networks. The "remote" label will disappear if Oregon State can parlay this situation into being in a power broker position. The perception will change. I think this is a really interesting take. Do you think Oregon State has a better opportunity to raise its national brand/reputation than it would have had had the Pac-12 stayed together? The reason why I say this is I believe this is what happened the last time Oregon State was forced to become independent, 1959-1963. Oregon State largely became national news back then because of Terry Baker. But Terry Baker's Heisman campaign happened because Spec Keene and Eggers' dad did an outstanding job of promoting him to national news outlets. Could they have done this had Baker run up impressive numbers against second tier competition? We will never know but the fact that Oregon State overwhelmingly scheduled teams that are Power Five today certainly helped. A big win over West Virginia in Portland may have been the pivotal moment. WVA was undefeated coming in and finished 8-2 on the year. Also, I know this is an unpopular idea among Oregon State fans but I agree with you that there is benefit to scheduling Power 5 teams at their place. Bigger stadiums, potentially bigger gate, and more eyeballs during prime viewing hours. Playing teams here at night means at best regional telecast unless the team happens to be ranked in the top 15. The 1959-63 teams weren't afraid to go on the road. They played 6 games on the road and 4 games at home (counting Portland as home). |
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 22, 2023 10:50:17 GMT -8
Anyway. When it comes down to it, it's about eyeballs. I was looking for some information on how the Power 5 conferences were ranked. One of the rankings I saw had the Beavers rated near dead last. It was written following the 2021 season and it had some stupid, extremely subjective criteria (football program average ranking in the last 5 years, viewership numbers accounted for approximately 40% of the ranking) but it still was a bit sobering to understand this is how the Beavers are perceived. And really that's the problem. I'm arguing with you over details like how many minutes it is to get from the airport, and I'm wrong for it. The perception is what matters. The perception is created by the current narrative, and that narrative is to dismiss Oregon State as being a sleepy remote program that might be better off at a lower level of competition. Our profile as a program is very low. I don't think the marketing department is solely to blame. These days, they do an incredible job. There was a time when they frankly did not. That's lost momentum, for sure. But more recently: One of the bad things about the Pac-12 network is that Oregon State games typically had very late kickoffs and on a network without much accessibility for casual viewers. Job One for Oregon State has to be to raise that profile. Now is that moment. An aggressive campaign to play an independent schedule and grab headlines has to be in play here. The Beavs have to get on TV, early games, back East. They have to play a schedule that gets them to a bowl game. They don't have to win every game, they can lose games against quality opponents, but they have to be entertaining. They have to win some. Deion Sanders coming to Colorado shone a spotlight on the program. They won some games and were darlings for a minute. Oregon State winning in court along with Washington State and the sweepstakes to join the conference will be an entertaining angle to cover, IF Oregon State and Washington State do not appear to be a threat to the networks. The "remote" label will disappear if Oregon State can parlay this situation into being in a power broker position. The perception will change. I think this is a really interesting take. Do you think Oregon State has a better opportunity to raise its national brand/reputation than it would have had had the Pac-12 stayed together? The reason why I say this is I believe this is what happened the last time Oregon State was forced to become independent, 1959-1963. Oregon State largely became national news back then because of Terry Baker. But Terry Baker's Heisman campaign happened because Spec Keene and Eggers' dad did an outstanding job of promoting him to national news outlets. Could they have done this had Baker run up impressive numbers against second tier competition? We will never know but the fact that Oregon State overwhelmingly scheduled teams that are Power Five today certainly helped. A big win over West Virginia in Portland may have been the pivotal moment. WVA was undefeated coming in and finished 8-2 on the year. Also, I know this is an unpopular idea among Oregon State fans but I agree with you that there is benefit to scheduling Power 5 teams at their place. Bigger stadiums, potentially bigger gate, and more eyeballs during prime viewing hours. Playing teams here at night means at best regional telecast unless the team happens to be ranked in the top 15. The 1959-63 teams weren't afraid to go on the road. They played 6 games on the road and 4 games at home (counting Portland as home). I do. It's a tougher road with a lot more risk, but there is a lot more upside than there was when Oregon State was playing late games on the Pac12 network. The Beavs need some high profile games and a couple of wins from those games to be successful, but I think with Smith and Co that's a reasonable/achievable goal. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 22, 2023 11:38:31 GMT -8
Eugene is classified as a regional airport. Lubbock is classified as an international airport. Houston, Dallas, Austin, Denver, San Diego, Las Vegas, Memphis all have direct flights in and out of Lubbock. Plus all the regional flights like Odessa blah blah blah. However, in the context of this conversation they're in the Big12 and that means you're connecting in one of those cities. I think you have some better flight options with the cities that Eugene services due to Denver, Salt Lake, Phoenix and Seattle all being hubs. So a point for Eugene there. But my point still remains: It's not remote to the context that Corvallis is. It's not a huge airport by any stretch, but it's bigger than Eugene and it's 10 minutes from the campus ON GAME DAY. Lubbock is close to a huge population base and it's much easier and more convenient to get to for a greater number of people. Anyway. When it comes down to it, it's about eyeballs. I was looking for some information on how the Power 5 conferences were ranked. One of the rankings I saw had the Beavers rated near dead last. It was written following the 2021 season and it had some stupid, extremely subjective criteria (football program average ranking in the last 5 years, viewership numbers accounted for approximately 40% of the ranking) but it still was a bit sobering to understand this is how the Beavers are perceived. And really that's the problem. I'm arguing with you over details like how many minutes it is to get from the airport, and I'm wrong for it. The perception is what matters. The perception is created by the current narrative, and that narrative is to dismiss Oregon State as being a sleepy remote program that might be better off at a lower level of competition. Our profile as a program is very low. I don't think the marketing department is solely to blame. These days, they do an incredible job. There was a time when they frankly did not. That's lost momentum, for sure. But more recently: One of the bad things about the Pac-12 network is that Oregon State games typically had very late kickoffs and on a network without much accessibility for casual viewers. Job One for Oregon State has to be to raise that profile. Now is that moment. An aggressive campaign to play an independent schedule and grab headlines has to be in play here. The Beavs have to get on TV, early games, back East. They have to play a schedule that gets them to a bowl game. They don't have to win every game, they can lose games against quality opponents, but they have to be entertaining. They have to win some. Deion Sanders coming to Colorado shone a spotlight on the program. They won some games and were darlings for a minute. Oregon State winning in court along with Washington State and the sweepstakes to join the conference will be an entertaining angle to cover, IF Oregon State and Washington State do not appear to be a threat to the networks. The "remote" label will disappear if Oregon State can parlay this situation into being in a power broker position. The perception will change. I've been thinking about airports recently. Anyway, for calendar year 2022, Lubbock was the 131st largest airport in the US based on enplanements. Relevant other airports are Eugene (#106, about 50% more passengers than Lubbock), Medford #130, Redmond #126, North Bend #343, Fresno #94, Tucson #78, and Portland #33 (about nine times larger than EUG). The top 20 in order are ATL, DFW, Denver, Chicago O'Hare, LAX, JFK, Las Vegas, Orlando, Miami, Charlotte, SEA, PHX, Newark, SFO, Houston, Boston, Fort Lauderdale, MSP, LaGuardia, and Detroit. Atlanta is roughly double Seattle. Seattle is double #25 Baltimore-Washington. BWI is double #39 San Jose. SJC is double #56 Ontario. ONT is double #83 Des Moines. DSM is double #111 Manchester, NH. I don't know why Lubbock is known as an international airport. Regularly scheduled commercial service is to Las Vegas, Phoenix, Denver, DFW, Dallas Love, Austin, and the two Houston airports. Eugene has service to SEA, SFO, Oakland, LAX, Orange County, Burbank, Las Vegas, San Diego, Phoenix, DFW, San Jose and Denver. www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2023-09/cy22-commercial-service-enplanements.pdfHow about WSU’s options. Spokane (78 mi), Lewiston ID (32 mi) and Pullman/Moscow (1 mi)? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 22, 2023 15:30:47 GMT -8
Anyway. When it comes down to it, it's about eyeballs. I was looking for some information on how the Power 5 conferences were ranked. One of the rankings I saw had the Beavers rated near dead last. It was written following the 2021 season and it had some stupid, extremely subjective criteria (football program average ranking in the last 5 years, viewership numbers accounted for approximately 40% of the ranking) but it still was a bit sobering to understand this is how the Beavers are perceived. And really that's the problem. I'm arguing with you over details like how many minutes it is to get from the airport, and I'm wrong for it. The perception is what matters. The perception is created by the current narrative, and that narrative is to dismiss Oregon State as being a sleepy remote program that might be better off at a lower level of competition. Our profile as a program is very low. I don't think the marketing department is solely to blame. These days, they do an incredible job. There was a time when they frankly did not. That's lost momentum, for sure. But more recently: One of the bad things about the Pac-12 network is that Oregon State games typically had very late kickoffs and on a network without much accessibility for casual viewers. Job One for Oregon State has to be to raise that profile. Now is that moment. An aggressive campaign to play an independent schedule and grab headlines has to be in play here. The Beavs have to get on TV, early games, back East. They have to play a schedule that gets them to a bowl game. They don't have to win every game, they can lose games against quality opponents, but they have to be entertaining. They have to win some. Deion Sanders coming to Colorado shone a spotlight on the program. They won some games and were darlings for a minute. Oregon State winning in court along with Washington State and the sweepstakes to join the conference will be an entertaining angle to cover, IF Oregon State and Washington State do not appear to be a threat to the networks. The "remote" label will disappear if Oregon State can parlay this situation into being in a power broker position. The perception will change. I think this is a really interesting take. Do you think Oregon State has a better opportunity to raise its national brand/reputation than it would have had had the Pac-12 stayed together? The reason why I say this is I believe this is what happened the last time Oregon State was forced to become independent, 1959-1963. Oregon State largely became national news back then because of Terry Baker. But Terry Baker's Heisman campaign happened because Spec Keene and Eggers' dad did an outstanding job of promoting him to national news outlets. Could they have done this had Baker run up impressive numbers against second tier competition? We will never know but the fact that Oregon State overwhelmingly scheduled teams that are Power Five today certainly helped. A big win over West Virginia in Portland may have been the pivotal moment. WVA was undefeated coming in and finished 8-2 on the year. Also, I know this is an unpopular idea among Oregon State fans but I agree with you that there is benefit to scheduling Power 5 teams at their place. Bigger stadiums, potentially bigger gate, and more eyeballs during prime viewing hours. Playing teams here at night means at best regional telecast unless the team happens to be ranked in the top 15. The 1959-63 teams weren't afraid to go on the road. They played 6 games on the road and 4 games at home (counting Portland as home). In 1962, Oregon State scheduled Iowa State at Portland, in Iowa City, at Stanford, against Washington at Portland, Pacific, West Virginia at Portland, Wazzu on the Palouse, Idaho on the Palouse, Colorado State, and Oregon. Stanford and Washington to their credit played Oregon State every year from 1959-1963. Oregon State also continued playing their conference rivals--Idaho, Oregon, and Wazzu--every year. With their final five games, Oregon State added Iowa State, Iowa, Pacific, West Virginia, and Colorado State. Iowa was a huge cross-sectional rival until the early 70s after the pair started playing in 1956. Iowa State was known for a very high-powered offense in the early 1960s. Colorado State and Pacific (despite their now-famous quarterback, Jack Sparrow) were trash that were added to give Oregon State three home games. Colorado State was added, because its conference had just imploded the year before. West Virginia was trash, as well, but had a great year in 1962. The Mountaineers basically won the Southern Conference that year. (The Southern Conference was the forerunner of both the ACC and SEC but only still had Virginia Tech from the founding teams. West Virginia was the newest addition, but the conference was mostly filled out by a bunch of now FCS teams.) And West Virginia beat Vandy, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse in nonconference play. But Penn State beat West Virginia 34-6 on Veterans' Day Weekend two weeks later. The Mountaineers would become more of a regional force after dumping the Southern Conference and playing a better regional schedule seven years later. A big game the year before was the opener against Syracuse in Portland. Ernie Davis won the Heisman in 1961 and Terry Baker won the Heisman in 1962. And Syracuse had won the National Championship in 1959 with Davis, so they were still in the national consciousness. Oregon State also played in Madison, Tempe, and Houston in 1961 to get Baker in front of a national audience. The Beavs played their usual five against former conference foes. They also played a trash team in BYU. BYU would only become the BYU that we know today after the founding of the WAC the following year. |
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Post by bvrbred on Nov 23, 2023 9:04:30 GMT -8
Oregon State was probably fortunate in having a Portland option then, making it easier to entice intersectional schools such as Syracuse, West Virginia, Iowa to come out here, not to mention Rose Bowl champion Washington who was no longer obliged to play us for conference reasons. A larger gate was theoretically possible in Portland and travel of course less complicated.
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