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Post by beavheart on Nov 21, 2023 11:18:14 GMT -8
I keep seeing this narrative. Why? It's an absurd take, and has nothing to do with reality.
First, why does OSU consistently get pigeon holed into the "Corvallis market"? Do OSU fans magically cease to exist when they cross over the Corvallis city line? If that is the case, there are a lot of programs across the CFB spectrum that should be re-examined according to their "market". I guess Portland State, Seattle U, and Azusa Pacific should be the first calls the P2 make to back-fill the conference considering their market size?
Also, how is Corvallis "hard to get to"? For who? People talk about it like you have to take a wagon train followed by a dog sled to get there. It's a 30 minute country drive from the Eugene Airport. It's closer to PDX than Eugene. If distance from Portland is your barometer then I suppose Eugene is basically the moon. Shoot, on most days you are probably better off, and a lot happier driving from PDX to Corvallis than you are if you fly into one of the big cities and have to commute to one of these "major market" schools.
Just what in the hell are people talking about??? The TV execs blowing everything up with total disregard for anything aside from their own profits, or so they think, somehow has unleashed a tidal wave of idiotic, half-baked, fan boi nonsense on the world.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 21, 2023 12:04:57 GMT -8
OSU currently does not even "win" the Oregon market. Eugene is actually considered to be "hard to get to" in the overall scheme of things from other parts of the country.
uo wins the market race and the media attention since the mid-90's largely because of Uncle Phil.
Having uo go to the Big 10 and OSU rebuilding the PAC could be a bit of a long term blessing in regards to building the local fanbase. If OSU is continually in the championship race in the new Pac Whatever, and uo is continually fighting to stay relevant in the Big10, the following of Oregon locals who didn't attend either university could switch over time. It wouldn't hurt if we at least win a larger chunk of our head to head meetings in the future.
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 21, 2023 12:25:18 GMT -8
I keep seeing this narrative. Why? It's an absurd take, and has nothing to do with reality. First, why does OSU consistently get pigeon holed into the "Corvallis market"? Do OSU fans magically cease to exist when they cross over the Corvallis city line? If that is the case, there are a lot of programs across the CFB spectrum that should be re-examined according to their "market". I guess Portland State, Seattle U, and Azusa Pacific should be the first calls the P2 make to back-fill the conference considering their market size? Also, how is Corvallis "hard to get to"? For who? People talk about it like you have to take a wagon train followed by a dog sled to get there. It's a 30 minute country drive from the Eugene Airport. It's closer to PDX than Eugene. If distance from Portland is your barometer then I suppose Eugene is basically the moon. Shoot, on most days you are probably better off, and a lot happier driving from PDX to Corvallis than you are if you fly into one of the big cities and have to commute to one of these "major market" schools. Just what in the hell are people talking about??? The TV execs blowing everything up with total disregard for anything aside from their own profits, or so they think, somehow has unleashed a tidal wave of idiotic, half-baked, fan boi nonsense on the world. I have hundreds of OSU fan friends. Almost none live in the “Corvallis market”. |
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 21, 2023 13:20:52 GMT -8
I keep seeing this narrative. Why? It's an absurd take, and has nothing to do with reality. First, why does OSU consistently get pigeon holed into the "Corvallis market"? Do OSU fans magically cease to exist when they cross over the Corvallis city line? If that is the case, there are a lot of programs across the CFB spectrum that should be re-examined according to their "market". I guess Portland State, Seattle U, and Azusa Pacific should be the first calls the P2 make to back-fill the conference considering their market size? Also, how is Corvallis "hard to get to"? For who? People talk about it like you have to take a wagon train followed by a dog sled to get there. It's a 30 minute country drive from the Eugene Airport. It's closer to PDX than Eugene. If distance from Portland is your barometer then I suppose Eugene is basically the moon. Shoot, on most days you are probably better off, and a lot happier driving from PDX to Corvallis than you are if you fly into one of the big cities and have to commute to one of these "major market" schools. Just what in the hell are people talking about??? The TV execs blowing everything up with total disregard for anything aside from their own profits, or so they think, somehow has unleashed a tidal wave of idiotic, half-baked, fan boi nonsense on the world. OK so I'll be Devil's Advocate here. I travel for work, so I'm on airplanes a LOT. One thing that is true is that the smaller the population that supports a major airport, the fewer options there are for flights in and out of that location. So in general, there are more constraints surrounding getting into PDX, which is still a pretty long bus ride to Corvallis. Eugene gets a tiny bit of a pass because they have a regional airport that you can fly into. Yes, you can use that same airport to get to Corvallis, but from a perception standpoint it's still a decent bus ride away instead of being "in town". What I'm trying to say is that within context, Corvallis is indeed pretty remote. Is it Siberia, well no. But it's a small market without a profile that has been raised by a billionaire donor, those are just facts. It's just a shame that the true college towns are being pushed out of college athletics. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 21, 2023 13:21:57 GMT -8
I remember Gundy complaining about how hard Corvallis was to get to when Okie State played here. Well, rule # 1, don't bunk your team in Portland ...
I also thought it was hilarious that some mullethead from Stillwater, Okla., would call Corvallis hard to get to.
If you want "remote", under the criteria of this thread, try Tallahassee. Or Lubbock. Or West Virginia, Kansas State, Iowa State, Auburn, Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss or any number of other P5 locations.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 21, 2023 13:32:26 GMT -8
I remember Gundy complaining about how hard Corvallis was to get to when Okie State played here. Well, rule # 1, don't bunk your team in Portland ... I also thought it was hilarious that some mullethead from Stillwater, Okla., would call Corvallis hard to get to. If you want "remote", under the criteria of this thread, try Tallahassee. Or Lubbock. Or West Virginia, Kansas State, Iowa State, Auburn, Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss or any number of other P5 locations. Ironically, I was in Lubbock last weekend for the game vs UCF. Lubbock is a bad example. There is a ton of ranch money and oil money in that area. Lubbock Preston Smith is an international airport. Tons of nice hotel options in Lubbock. 10 minute Uber ride from the stadium. Easy 1 hour flight in from Dallas. 2 hour flight out to Phoenix. |
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Post by beavfan14 on Nov 21, 2023 13:36:10 GMT -8
Lets see, which is harder. Flying into PDX which is a really nice, small for a city airport and will be even nicer and easier when they're done with the new terminal. Then yes, a drive through the Portland area down to corvallis, which once you're out of the metro area is pretty easy. Or fly into EUG and take a quick and very nice drive to Corvallis. Neither are that bad and if you have time can be a great trip. Now flying into any of the LA area airports sucks *ss and is even more of a pain to get a car or a ride, then have to drive either multiple hours to the Rose Bowl, or to one of the worst areas in LA where the coliseum is. Or how about flying into SeaTac and driving through downtown Seattle to get to Husky stadium? Compared to flying into Pullman, or even Spokane then driving through the Palouse to get to Pullman. Flying into SFO then a bad drive down to Stanford or OAK to get to Cal? Point is, I also am tired of the outdated "Corvallis is hard to get to" argument. I would rather get to Corvallis and Pullman then any other school in the Pac12. And I've been to a lot of the away games with the Beavers and it's even worse for some of the big games they've played in the last 25 years. Just because a school is in a metro area doesn't make it easier to get to, often in my opinion its actually more a pain in the arse then Corvallis.
I've been all over world wearing Beaver gear and often get asked about OSU or see a fellow Beaver fan. Obviously it's not as recognizable as some other schools, but it's big enough and with some smart marketing could be just as good a brand. It's time to stop with the small school narative, which includes some OSU fans on this board. We're a great academic institution and also an athletic program. We will be fine when this all plays out. We got stuck holding the proverbial bag, which as it turns out might be a pretty big bag. Use it smartly and lets go put OSU in the front.
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Post by jrbeavo on Nov 21, 2023 13:41:38 GMT -8
I remember Gundy complaining about how hard Corvallis was to get to when Okie State played here. Well, rule # 1, don't bunk your team in Portland ... I also thought it was hilarious that some mullethead from Stillwater, Okla., would call Corvallis hard to get to. If you want "remote", under the criteria of this thread, try Tallahassee. Or Lubbock. Or West Virginia, Kansas State, Iowa State, Auburn, Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss or any number of other P5 locations. I would definitely add Clemson to that list. It is in the middle of nowhere and dreams of being as big a town as Corvallis. The airport in Greenville is a glorified bus station and a long drive to town. |
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Post by ag87 on Nov 21, 2023 13:48:10 GMT -8
For fun, I just checked some driving times in real-time conditions. EUG to Reser, 45 min. EUG to UofO, 21 minutes. LAX to Rose Bowl, 53 minutes. LAX to LA Memorial Coliseum, 28 minutes. Burbank (BUR) Airport to Rose Bowl, 18 minutes. SEA to Husky Stadium, 28 minutes. DEN to Folsom, 44 minutes. And especially for Gundy, OKC to Stillwater is 75 minutes.
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Post by beavheart on Nov 21, 2023 13:57:36 GMT -8
OSU currently does not even "win" the Oregon market. Eugene is actually considered to be "hard to get to" in the overall scheme of things from other parts of the country. uo wins the market race and the media attention since the mid-90's largely because of Uncle Phil. Having uo go to the Big 10 and OSU rebuilding the PAC could be a bit of a long term blessing in regards to building the local fanbase. If OSU is continually in the championship race in the new Pac Whatever, and uo is continually fighting to stay relevant in the Big10, the following of Oregon locals who didn't attend either university could switch over time. It wouldn't hurt if we at least win a larger chunk of our head to head meetings in the future. What do you suppose the actual market split is? If you ask a d*ck fan they would probably spew nonsense, like 90/10. The casual CFB fan from East coast would probably say the same since that is what pumped out there by all the ditto heads. I personally think it's closer to 60/40, maybe reality is 65/35. At worst the split is 70/30. And that is on the heels of about 10 years of futility by our football program. Bottom line is the small market argument is absurd on it's face, and really anyone who trots it out there either has an agenda or is just looking for a "reason" to support their bias. Which, again, is probably rooted largely in nonsense. Same as others here, I just don't get why our feet are being held to the fire when a bunch other P5 schools in very similar circumstances are given a pass? |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 21, 2023 13:59:05 GMT -8
Corvallis is a way bigger than a lot of places and smaller than a lot of places.  Market to me means more than just size/population however, it includes median / disposable income. Morgantown WV, home of the mountaineers has a population under 40,000 and individual median income of 15,000, household 42,000. Corvallis 60,000 with median individual income of 22,385 , household 55,000 |
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Post by jrbeavo on Nov 21, 2023 14:08:10 GMT -8
OSU currently does not even "win" the Oregon market. Eugene is actually considered to be "hard to get to" in the overall scheme of things from other parts of the country. uo wins the market race and the media attention since the mid-90's largely because of Uncle Phil. Having uo go to the Big 10 and OSU rebuilding the PAC could be a bit of a long term blessing in regards to building the local fanbase. If OSU is continually in the championship race in the new Pac Whatever, and uo is continually fighting to stay relevant in the Big10, the following of Oregon locals who didn't attend either university could switch over time. It wouldn't hurt if we at least win a larger chunk of our head to head meetings in the future. What do you suppose the actual market split is? If you ask a d*ck fan they would probably spew nonsense, like 90/10. The casual CFB fan from East coast would probably say the same since that is what pumped out there by all the ditto heads. I personally think it's closer to 60/40, maybe reality is 65/35. At worst the split is 70/30. And that is on the heels of about 10 years of futility by our football program. Bottom line is the small market argument is absurd on it's face, and really anyone who trots it out there either has an agenda or is just looking for a "reason" to support their bias. Which, again, is probably rooted largely in nonsense. Same as others here, I just don't get why our feet are being held to the fire when a bunch other P5 schools in very similar circumstances are given a pass? For one, you start out drawing from a larger pool, as OSU is a bigger school than Oregon. If you reduce for 'enthusiasm" I'm guessing that the eyeballs watching in Portland is not nearly as lopsided as one thinks. Being an interesting and competitive team moves those numbers significantly. We are still mending from the GA era, but if nothing was changing next year and beyond (disillusion of the Pac) does anyone think that we would fall right back into some sort of hapless hole again? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 21, 2023 15:14:46 GMT -8
I remember Gundy complaining about how hard Corvallis was to get to when Okie State played here. Well, rule # 1, don't bunk your team in Portland ... I also thought it was hilarious that some mullethead from Stillwater, Okla., would call Corvallis hard to get to. If you want "remote", under the criteria of this thread, try Tallahassee. Or Lubbock. Or West Virginia, Kansas State, Iowa State, Auburn, Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss or any number of other P5 locations. Ironically, I was in Lubbock last weekend for the game vs UCF. Lubbock is a bad example. There is a ton of ranch money and oil money in that area. Lubbock Preston Smith is an international airport. Tons of nice hotel options in Lubbock. 10 minute Uber ride from the stadium. Easy 1 hour flight in from Dallas. 2 hour flight out to Phoenix. Great, but what if you're not coming from Dallas or Phoenix? Doesn't sound much different than the Eugene airport to me. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 21, 2023 15:16:29 GMT -8
Alls I can say is, when I lived out of State, and now go out of State and people ask me where I'm from and I say "Corvallis Oregon" the response I almost always get is, "Oh, your a duck".
Minutes from the airport don't matter, perception does. And for fans, traveling to Eugene airport is harder than PDX than most. Seattle, SFO, Denver, Salt Lake, Phoenix, Vegas are all probably easier and cheaper to get to and have more direct flights to them than either of the Oregon airports. Eugene would be the toughest to get to in those regards.
Charter flights don't have as many issues I suspect, but I literally have read of other schools saying the airport situation and the hotel situation in Corvallis make it more difficult for their fans to visit, and sometimes teams. Can't remember which team it was in the last few years that mentioned they didn't care for having to stay in Eugene to play here.
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Post by grayman on Nov 21, 2023 15:24:52 GMT -8
I think geographical location figures into this to a degree.
To many fans around the country, a trip to the Pacific Northwest might as well be a trip to Alaska in their minds.
And it is almost always going to be a longer flight.
Other than that, it's just piling on to the small town perception, IMO.
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