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Post by grayman on Nov 20, 2023 15:12:39 GMT -8
So let's assume for a minute that the Pac-2 will eventually merge with some or all of the MWC.
We can argue about how much of an impact it will have on the two athletic departments.
What I think we can all get behind is the importance of retaining specific coaches. Henry Scrimshander commented about the difference in OSU and UW coaches at different time periods (Gary Andersen at OSU, Tyrone Willingham at UW) in another thread and he's 100 percent on point.
Obviously, most of us think retaining Jonathan Smith is of upmost importance. I personally don't think Smith is all that inclined to leave unless OSU's situation gets really bad. But making sure he's paid should be at the top of the list.
His presence at OSU keeps the Beavers a viable winner even with cuts to other areas and inevitable player loss.
I think Mitch Canham is actually second on the list. Again, probably not highly inclined to leave OSU anytime soon but I think judging by the importance of baseball to the OSU community and past success, he should be a priority.
So we have the two top priorities.
Wayne Tinkle? Not sure he has a lot of options.
Scott Rueck? Another coach that is firmly entrenched due to his history at OSU. I think his ability to recruit will be hurt but I think his teams could also thrive in a new situation.
Chris Pendleton? Wrestling should be OK financially and should be able to find a way to ensure a decent yearly schedule. I don't see Pendleton having a major reason to leave.
Tanya Chaplin? OSU gymnastics might get a financial hit but is also a sport that should be able to put together competitive schedules. There should be an effort to keep her in Corvallis.
Softball and men's and women's soccer are really hard to call.
Overall, I would say that OSU will be in a solid position for the next few years at least. It will take some effort to ensure longterm stability.
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Post by ag87 on Nov 20, 2023 15:38:01 GMT -8
I want to retain Quintana for another period of time. On the bright side, conference affiliation means nothing for T&F or CC. Northern Arizona is a powerhouse in distance running.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 20, 2023 19:08:51 GMT -8
Barnes has said repeatedly that football will be funded at the P5 level. I assume salaries are part of this funding.
The other sports, I don't know.
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Post by grackle on Nov 21, 2023 7:54:59 GMT -8
Am I alone in assuming that, of all our major sports, baseball is likely to be the least effected by the breakup of the PAC?
We'll still be able to schedule top teams and participate in a national championship playoff system.
ADD: breakup of the PAC might actually HELP our recruiting in the West...I can't imagine too many kids from CALI, for example, want to go to CAL, or UCLA or USC, or even Wash+UO and spend half their season east of the Mississippi...
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 21, 2023 7:59:56 GMT -8
Am I alone in assuming that, of all our major sports, baseball is likely to be the least effected by the breakup of the PAC? We'll still be able to schedule top teams and participate in a national championship playoff system. That is my thinking. However, it will be much harder to host if we are in a weaker conference. We're going to have to schedule strong non-conference games like Gonzaga does in basketball. |
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Post by ftd on Nov 21, 2023 8:09:00 GMT -8
Am I alone in assuming that, of all our major sports, baseball is likely to be the least effected by the breakup of the PAC? We'll still be able to schedule top teams and participate in a national championship playoff system. ADD: breakup of the PAC might actually HELP our recruiting in the West...I can't imagine too many kids from CALI, for example, want to go to CAL, or UCLA or USC, or even Wash+UO and spend half their season east of the Mississippi... I'd say wrestling is least impacted as there are only two other teams in the pac that wrestle (ASU and Stanford). |
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Post by matt90 on Nov 21, 2023 8:31:47 GMT -8
If the SoCal teams hated playing baseball in OR/WA, how are they going to feel about playing Michigan and Nebraska in the snow?
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Post by messi on Nov 21, 2023 8:38:46 GMT -8
If the SoCal teams hated playing baseball in OR/WA, how are they going to feel about playing Michigan and Nebraska in the snow? Can only imagine what Mark Marquess would be saying about all this. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 21, 2023 9:01:41 GMT -8
If the SoCal teams hated playing baseball in OR/WA, how are they going to feel about playing Michigan and Nebraska in the snow? I don't care. Well, I do actually. I hope they absolutely hate it and freeze their asses off every weekend. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 21, 2023 9:02:26 GMT -8
Am I alone in assuming that, of all our major sports, baseball is likely to be the least effected by the breakup of the PAC? We'll still be able to schedule top teams and participate in a national championship playoff system. ADD: breakup of the PAC might actually HELP our recruiting in the West...I can't imagine too many kids from CALI, for example, want to go to CAL, or UCLA or USC, or even Wash+UO and spend half their season east of the Mississippi... For baseball: It will be nice to regularly play ACC teams in California and Stanford. We should try and continue the Stanford series, if at all possible. Their RPI was ridiculous with a Pac-12 schedule. I cannot imagine what it would look like with an ACC SOS. The two premier baseball teams in the West Coast should continue to play. And it will be great to dispose of the albatross around our necks for the past 13 years in Utah. I do not know, if Big 12 baseball will still be Big 12 baseball with the new teams. If they can keep their RPI up, despite the additions, it would be great to schedule Arizona and Arizona State in nonconference play. I also do not know how much of a bump Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Washington give to the Big Ten in baseball. But if it is a decent bump, it would be nice to schedule Oregon and Washington, as well. It could help basketball by leveling the playing field. The Mountain West's NET was actually better than the Pac-12's NET last year. And, from watching the teams in both conferences, that is malarky. Oregon State would actually be getting more of a benefit from playing worse teams in the Mountain West. Plus, Oregon State could upgrade its nonconference slate by playing Big Ten teams in Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Washington and ACC teams in Cal and Stanford. There is opportunity to be had moving forward, but we have to be creative, intelligent, opportunistic, and dynamic. |
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Post by messi on Nov 21, 2023 9:32:07 GMT -8
Am I alone in assuming that, of all our major sports, baseball is likely to be the least effected by the breakup of the PAC? We'll still be able to schedule top teams and participate in a national championship playoff system. ADD: breakup of the PAC might actually HELP our recruiting in the West...I can't imagine too many kids from CALI, for example, want to go to CAL, or UCLA or USC, or even Wash+UO and spend half their season east of the Mississippi... For baseball: It will be nice to regularly play ACC teams in California and Stanford. We should try and continue the Stanford series, if at all possible. Their RPI was ridiculous with a Pac-12 schedule. I cannot imagine what it would look like with an ACC SOS. The two premier baseball teams in the West Coast should continue to play. And it will be great to dispose of the albatross around our necks for the past 13 years in Utah. I do not know, if Big 12 baseball will still be Big 12 baseball with the new teams. If they can keep their RPI up, despite the additions, it would be great to schedule Arizona and Arizona State in nonconference play. I also do not know how much of a bump Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Washington give to the Big Ten in baseball. But if it is a decent bump, it would be nice to schedule Oregon and Washington, as well. It could help basketball by leveling the playing field. The Mountain West's NET was actually better than the Pac-12's NET last year. And, from watching the teams in both conferences, that is malarky. Oregon State would actually be getting more of a benefit from playing worse teams in the Mountain West. Plus, Oregon State could upgrade its nonconference slate by playing Big Ten teams in Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Washington and ACC teams in Cal and Stanford. There is opportunity to be had moving forward, but we have to be creative, intelligent, opportunistic, and dynamic. The non-conference northwest teams seemed to always be played on mid-week instead of weekends. Would it be advantageous/disadvantageous/no difference if o and Washington were played mid-week vs. weekend? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 21, 2023 9:48:26 GMT -8
For baseball: It will be nice to regularly play ACC teams in California and Stanford. We should try and continue the Stanford series, if at all possible. Their RPI was ridiculous with a Pac-12 schedule. I cannot imagine what it would look like with an ACC SOS. The two premier baseball teams in the West Coast should continue to play. And it will be great to dispose of the albatross around our necks for the past 13 years in Utah. I do not know, if Big 12 baseball will still be Big 12 baseball with the new teams. If they can keep their RPI up, despite the additions, it would be great to schedule Arizona and Arizona State in nonconference play. I also do not know how much of a bump Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Washington give to the Big Ten in baseball. But if it is a decent bump, it would be nice to schedule Oregon and Washington, as well. It could help basketball by leveling the playing field. The Mountain West's NET was actually better than the Pac-12's NET last year. And, from watching the teams in both conferences, that is malarky. Oregon State would actually be getting more of a benefit from playing worse teams in the Mountain West. Plus, Oregon State could upgrade its nonconference slate by playing Big Ten teams in Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Washington and ACC teams in Cal and Stanford. There is opportunity to be had moving forward, but we have to be creative, intelligent, opportunistic, and dynamic. The non-conference northwest teams seemed to always be played on mid-week instead of weekends. Would it be advantageous/disadvantageous/no difference if o and Washington were played mid-week vs. weekend? We play nonconference Northwest teams mid-week instead of weekends out of necessity more than choice. It would be nice, if the Ducks could keep up their RPI and then schedule them at least five times, one weekend and two mid-week. The same holds true for Washington. One weekend and at least one mid-week. Stanford should be scheduled end of week. I should add that the Mountain West plays 30 games against the other six teams currently. You play four teams six times and the other two teams twice. With nine teams, Oregon State would, hopefully, play Wazzu home-and-home and one other team home-and-home and then play the other six teams once. That should hopefully help the expected conference RPI hit. But the addition of Oregon State should help everyone's RPI in conference. |
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Post by messi on Nov 21, 2023 10:33:23 GMT -8
The non-conference northwest teams seemed to always be played on mid-week instead of weekends. Would it be advantageous/disadvantageous/no difference if o and Washington were played mid-week vs. weekend? We play nonconference Northwest teams mid-week instead of weekends out of necessity more than choice. It would be nice, if the Ducks could keep up their RPI and then schedule them at least five times, one weekend and two mid-week. The same holds true for Washington. One weekend and at least one mid-week. Stanford should be scheduled end of week. I should add that the Mountain West plays 30 games against the other six teams currently. You play four teams six times and the other two teams twice. With nine teams, Oregon State would, hopefully, play Wazzu home-and-home and one other team home-and-home and then play the other six teams once.That should hopefully help the expected conference RPI hit. But the addition of Oregon State should help everyone's RPI in conference. I seriously doubt that will ever happen. |
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Post by beavsaregood on Nov 21, 2023 11:00:59 GMT -8
I keep reading that Smith is a finalist at Mich State. Should we be worried?
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 21, 2023 11:14:14 GMT -8
I keep reading that Smith is a finalist at Mich State. Should we be worried? There is only one source which is one of the fan message boards. The only mainstream (credible) source that has really mentioned Smith was Dennis Dodd way back in September, in a purely speculative article about how he would be a possible candidate in Dodd's opinon. |
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