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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 17, 2023 15:19:39 GMT -8
Quiet dignity is a very undervalued commodity in this day and age. Amen, Brother wilkyisdashiznit. I wish that I personally had more quiet dignity. But we all are blessed with different gifts and carry different crosses.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 17, 2023 15:21:18 GMT -8
Money that is due to the conference is exactly that. As far as I’m concerned, any case for distributing those monies to departing members is a weak one and counterproductive to the conference’s continuing interests. Put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine 3 years ago OSU and WSU had gotten a lucrative invite to the Big-12 and announced their intention to leave to the other 10. Would we realistically expect those 10 to cut us and WSU in on any conference payments? I think that question answers itself. There's nothing in the bylaws about withholding payments to current members that have announced they are leaving. UCLA and USC got their money last year. They just lose their voting rights. If we keep all of the money, we are going to get sued by all 10. We could potentially pay them less if we can prove damages, but paying them nothing for this year will not happen. I think that we have to pay everybody their fair share of the $400-$450 million or so that is coming in this year. I just don't think that any of the 10 are owed much, if anything on the future payments, absent some kind of reciprocal agreement that additionally benefits Oregon State.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 17, 2023 15:26:09 GMT -8
Money that is due to the conference is exactly that. As far as I’m concerned, any case for distributing those monies to departing members is a weak one and counterproductive to the conference’s continuing interests. Put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine 3 years ago OSU and WSU had gotten a lucrative invite to the Big-12 and announced their intention to leave to the other 10. Would we realistically expect those 10 to cut us and WSU in on any conference payments? I think that question answers itself. There's nothing in the bylaws about withholding payments to current members that have announced they are leaving. UCLA and USC got their money last year. They just lose their voting rights. If we keep all of the money, we are going to get sued by all 10. We could potentially pay them less if we can prove damages, but paying them nothing for this year will not happen. Good point. Part of the Pac 2's case relies on past actions towards the first 2 that left. They'd be tossing that aside if they were to withhold this year's distribution to the 10. Not sure what happens if the Pac-2 change the bylaws though.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 17, 2023 15:27:38 GMT -8
There's nothing in the bylaws about withholding payments to current members that have announced they are leaving. UCLA and USC got their money last year. They just lose their voting rights. If we keep all of the money, we are going to get sued by all 10. We could potentially pay them less if we can prove damages, but paying them nothing for this year will not happen. I think that we have to pay everybody their fair share of the $400-$450 million or so that is coming in this year. I just don't think that any of the 10 are owed much, if anything on the future payments, absent some kind of reciprocal agreement that additionally benefits Oregon State. I don't think any of the departing members are expecting any payouts after the coming year.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 17, 2023 15:36:28 GMT -8
I think that we have to pay everybody their fair share of the $400-$450 million or so that is coming in this year. I just don't think that any of the 10 are owed much, if anything on the future payments, absent some kind of reciprocal agreement that additionally benefits Oregon State. I don't think any of the departing members are expecting any payouts after the coming year. I personally think that they are and that this is what this lawsuit is all about. They may trying to get there incrementally, but that is their end goal. It is the foot-in-the-door technique. All we want is this. Ok, you can have that. Now that we have this, all we want is that. All I want is Austria. Now that I have Austria, all I want is the Sudetenland. Now that I have Czechoslovakia, all I want is the Polish Corridor. I believe that the University of Washington's other strategy is to stall to try and increase the chances that they get even more of the money for the next six years through settlement. Their actions seem to be geared toward both goals. But I think I'm paranoid.
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Post by ftd on Nov 17, 2023 15:38:41 GMT -8
I think that we have to pay everybody their fair share of the $400-$450 million or so that is coming in this year. I just don't think that any of the 10 are owed much, if anything on the future payments, absent some kind of reciprocal agreement that additionally benefits Oregon State. I don't think any of the departing members are expecting any payouts after the coming year. agreed everybody will get something..BUT we are due our fair share for the harm done to us, thus it won't be an equal distribution. About $25M to each of the 10. OSU/WSU get the rest.
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 17, 2023 15:43:07 GMT -8
OSU and WSU should pursue what they would legitimately be entitled to receive on or after August 1 with the utmost zeal and thoroughness, which they seem to be doing. Since two wrongs do not make a right, they should make zero effort to deny the traitorous ten what they would legitimately be entitled to receive up to and including July 31, which they would also seem to be doing.
If there is ever a renewed dialogue with any of the ten down the road, OSU and WSU want to be in a position to say, "Your action in leaving the conference did great harm to those remaining, but you had every right to do that. Your further actions trying to deny those remaining that which was legally theirs, as outlined in the conference by-laws you had willingly signed and announced you were bound by, did massive, almost irreparable harm to the two of us. Conversely, we did nothing to interfere with your moving on to another conference, and made no claim against monies owed to you while you were a member of our conference.
Now you want to have discussions about putting the toothpaste back in the tube, a very difficult thing to do. If you wish to approach this by stating up front that you recognize the harm you did us and want to try to make amends while simultaneously reestablishing a relationship, we'll enter into that conversation. If, however, you simply want to bring us into your fold as lesser partners, we would remind you of the old adage, 'fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.' Then, we would suggest, as politely as the occasion calls for, that you go f%#* yourself."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 15:47:37 GMT -8
Do we want to maintain any level of good-will with them? f%#* them until their souls leave their bodies.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 17, 2023 15:57:06 GMT -8
Need to tread carefully here. I'm sure you've heard about the wife who asked her husband what to get the mailman for Christmas. When he came home from work to find her in bed with the mailman she exclaimed, well you told me to F-him........ Go Beavs!!
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Post by irimi on Nov 17, 2023 18:10:45 GMT -8
Take their cleaning deposit! They left the place a mess!
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Post by irimi on Nov 17, 2023 18:12:49 GMT -8
Amen, Brother wilkyisdashiznit. I wish that I personally had more quiet dignity. But we all are blessed with different gifts and carry different crosses. Well, put that damn cross down and quit carrying it. Too many of us carry our own cause of suffering; in fact, we feed that thing! Set it down.
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Post by beavaristotle on Nov 17, 2023 18:46:02 GMT -8
No friend ever served me and no enemy ever wronged, me whom I have not repaid in full. The traitor’s actions against us were deliberate , time for us to do what’s best for the Pac 2
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Post by hometownbeaver on Nov 17, 2023 19:15:28 GMT -8
I don't think the T10 expected revenue after this year unless they could dissolve the PAC 12. They are using getting paid for this year as an excuse to get a judge to put them back in voting control of the pac-12 so they can dissolve it. However WSU and OSU are sueing to block them from getting back on the board and likely have 0 expectations to hold this year's money back.
I firmly don't believe that OSU or WSU intended to keep 500 million dollars of revenue from this year. With the exception of funds owed to the PAC but paid out to the conference over time. Consider the narrative being spun a smoke screen to get in so you can light the match that burns it down.
OSU and WSU get 100's of millions in future revenue and infrastructure too build off of by retaining the PAC 12. They could also choose to disband the PAC 2 after the other 10 are truly gone and divvy up assets. Example we play one season without a conference. Then dissolve the PAC 2 as we join the big 12 and wsu and OSU take roughly $250 million over 9 years plus a 50 percent split of the assets the PAC 2 may have owned.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 17, 2023 20:49:31 GMT -8
I don't think the T10 expected revenue after this year unless they could dissolve the PAC 12. They are using getting paid for this year as an excuse to get a judge to put them back in voting control of the pac-12 so they can dissolve it. However WSU and OSU are sueing to block them from getting back on the board and likely have 0 expectations to hold this year's money back. I firmly don't believe that OSU or WSU intended to keep 500 million dollars of revenue from this year. With the exception of funds owed to the PAC but paid out to the conference over time. Consider the narrative being spun a smoke screen to get in so you can light the match that burns it down. OSU and WSU get 100's of millions in future revenue and infrastructure too build off of by retaining the PAC 12. They could also choose to disband the PAC 2 after the other 10 are truly gone and divvy up assets. Example we play one season without a conference. Then dissolve the PAC 2 as we join the big 12 and wsu and OSU take roughly $250 million over 9 years plus a 50 percent split of the assets the PAC 2 may have owned. Killing the conference, then splitting it with the Big 12 just to get admission sounds rather criminal, or at least assholish, to me. In the eyes of many, even some fans of the Traitorous 10, we have the moral high ground. That'd kill it for me, I'd bet I'm not the only one.
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Post by bill82 on Nov 17, 2023 21:27:08 GMT -8
Mayor of Pettyville here: If any of the schools offered a home and home so we can have a P5 schedule I'd give them a full share of current year revenues. If they can't offer that good will to us, I'd spend every waking minute finding legitimate reasons to keep every cent.
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