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Post by 86BEAVER on Nov 17, 2023 13:49:19 GMT -8
Here's something good about the death of the Pac-12 as we know it: Only one more year of that damn conference tournament that in my opinion only served to wear down teams and provide opportunities to pick up an injury or two and screw up pitching rotations.
Good riddance!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 17, 2023 14:06:13 GMT -8
Here's something good about the death of the Pac-12 as we know it: Only one more year of that damn conference tournament that in my opinion only served to wear down teams and provide opportunities to pick up an injury or two and screw up pitching rotations. Good riddance! Oh yeah. Playing two games instead of the three or four that Oregon State would play in the final week really wore down teams and screwed up the pitching rotations. And don't even get me started on all of those injuries. Oregon State was lucky to field a team in Baton Rouge. Disagree. |
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Post by beaverinsider211 on Nov 19, 2023 21:44:12 GMT -8
Here's something good about the death of the Pac-12 as we know it: Only one more year of that damn conference tournament that in my opinion only served to wear down teams and provide opportunities to pick up an injury or two and screw up pitching rotations. Good riddance! The PAC-12 conference tournament definitely helps get more PAC teams getting into regionals. I agree with you though. The format of the tournament doesn’t make any sense with the pools and all that. If it was straight up bracket play with double elimination like everyone else it would make a lot more sense. Timing of the tournament makes for a lot of banged up teams heading to regionals year after year. |
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Post by messi on Nov 20, 2023 8:44:24 GMT -8
Here's something good about the death of the Pac-12 as we know it: Only one more year of that damn conference tournament that in my opinion only served to wear down teams and provide opportunities to pick up an injury or two and screw up pitching rotations. Good riddance! The PAC-12 conference tournament definitely helps get more PAC teams getting into regionals. I agree with you though. The format of the tournament doesn’t make any sense with the pools and all that. If it was straight up bracket play with double elimination like everyone else it would make a lot more sense. Timing of the tournament makes for a lot of banged up teams heading to regionals year after year. Format change may have been due to the insanity of trying to play four games in one day, where the final game of the day would start at 11pm. |
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Post by messi on Nov 20, 2023 8:48:05 GMT -8
Here's something good about the death of the Pac-12 as we know it: Only one more year of that damn conference tournament that in my opinion only served to wear down teams and provide opportunities to pick up an injury or two and screw up pitching rotations. Good riddance! Or at least hold it at a location where the fans would show up for all the games. Perhaps the conference board of governors could vote to alternate it between Hillsboro and Pasco as a compromise. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 20, 2023 14:06:45 GMT -8
Here's something good about the death of the Pac-12 as we know it: Only one more year of that damn conference tournament that in my opinion only served to wear down teams and provide opportunities to pick up an injury or two and screw up pitching rotations. Good riddance! The PAC-12 conference tournament definitely helps get more PAC teams getting into regionals. I agree with you though. The format of the tournament doesn’t make any sense with the pools and all that. If it was straight up bracket play with double elimination like everyone else it would make a lot more sense. Timing of the tournament makes for a lot of banged up teams heading to regionals year after year. Not every conference does double-elimination. The Pac-12 Tournament is based, more or less, on the ACC Tournament, which is not double-elimination. The ACC Tournament makes more sense, though. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 20, 2023 14:43:57 GMT -8
I'm not sure either Pac-12 baseball tournament helped more teams get into regionals.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 20, 2023 16:38:29 GMT -8
I think not having to play the Pac 12 conf baseball tourney might add like one drop to the glass. We cannot replace the competition we had in the Pac 12. That will negatively affect SOS/RPI, and overall prestige of our program.
The recruiting has been outstanding lately.......my biggest concern is the trajectory of that. I can't imagine a MW schedule is going to move the needle in a positive way, compared to previous Pac 12, for big time recruits.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 20, 2023 16:51:11 GMT -8
I mean, obviously, all conference tournaments are kinda dumb. But, when it helps most of the conferences, then you gotta play along.
Same situation happened when football Conference Championship games ended up helping teams in football. Once it becomes obvious that it helps, then everyone has to play along with the insanity.
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Post by ricke71 on Nov 20, 2023 17:43:42 GMT -8
I think not having to play the Pac 12 conf baseball tourney might add like one drop to the glass. We cannot replace the competition we had in the Pac 12. That will negatively affect SOS/RPI, and overall prestige of our program. The recruiting has been outstanding lately.......my biggest concern is the trajectory of that. I can't imagine a MW schedule is going to move the needle in a positive way, compared to previous Pac 12, for big time recruits. Hopefully the baseball program has a viable life of its own - regardless of conference...and that they stay competitive and relevant (ala Trent Caraway deciding for Corvallis over other options, even after the death of the PAC-12). There is a track record for excellence to occur in college baseball outside of power 5 (try that with football). I don't' think that either Fresno State nor Coastal Carolina, both National Champions in the past 15 years, are in Power 5 Conferences. And that track record does not include college baseball programs with the advantage that OSU has (3 National Championships this Century). Time wil tell. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 20, 2023 20:42:30 GMT -8
Texas Christian was in the Mountain West for seven seasons. Texas Christian won every Mountain West regular season championship, won four Mountain West Tournaments, hosted three Regionals, went to three Super Regionals, and took the Bauer- and Cole-led Bruins to the limit in the College World Series semifinal. Actually, Texas Christian beat UCLA and messed up their rotation. Bauer was not able to pitch against South Carolina in the Championship Series as a result, and the Gamecocks won the College World Series.
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Post by messi on Nov 21, 2023 7:22:05 GMT -8
I mean, obviously, all conference tournaments are kinda dumb. But, when it helps most of the conferences, then you gotta play along. Same situation happened when football Conference Championship games ended up helping teams in football. Once it becomes obvious that it helps, then everyone has to play along with the insanity. Conference tournaments only make sense if the regular season schedule has teams skip other conference teams. The SEC and ACC are like that, teams only play 10 conference series and skip 4 teams. Pac-12 plays a round robin, and there is no need for a tournament when you have a round robin. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 21, 2023 8:26:59 GMT -8
I mean, obviously, all conference tournaments are kinda dumb. But, when it helps most of the conferences, then you gotta play along. Same situation happened when football Conference Championship games ended up helping teams in football. Once it becomes obvious that it helps, then everyone has to play along with the insanity. Conference tournaments only make sense if the regular season schedule has teams skip other conference teams. The SEC and ACC are like that, teams only play 10 conference series and skip 4 teams. Pac-12 plays a round robin, and there is no need for a tournament when you have a round robin. Unfortunately, with RPI, conference tournaments always make sense. The more conference games that you play, the better your RPI is generally speaking. The Pac-12 was getting skewered in RPI without just obscene records before the Pac-12 Conference Tournament. The addition of the Conference Tournament helped to level the playing field. The odds of Oregon State being a National Seed would have been far lower had the Beavs not done as well in the 2022 Conference Tournament, for example, because Oregon State would have played five additional top seven Pac-12 teams. And it does not appear in the final number. It would have been far more insidious. It would have been Oregon State having a worse RPI throughout the year and then having a worse RPI at the end. RPI sucks. But the conference tournaments were helping the other conferences to game it, so that they could maximize the number of teams in, because their RPI was higher than it should have been throughout the year. 2023 is a terrible example, because the Committee patently did not do its job. Completely hosed the West Coast and selectively relied far too heavily on RPI. In a normal Committee, the Pac-12 should have received one or two additional spots that they did in 2023, and it would have been thanks, in large part, to the Conference Tournament. |
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