bill82
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Post by bill82 on Oct 9, 2023 20:12:35 GMT -8
Hear me out. I've been looking at the topic through the eyes of an athletic department and a fan. Then I saw UO's board meeting to approve their invitation to join the Big 10. I thought it was curious the the UO president became so animated when he relayed the enthusiasm from his admissions officer. So I started digging a bit. Not a lot, but a bit. What I found suggest there is an alternative to the media revenue grab explanation for realignment. The Pac 12 universities have operating budgets ranging from one to six billion annually. A few million in media revenue should not sway a university president rolling in billions. So I looked at the role out-of-state tuition plays in university financing. I found a graph for the University of Colorado that shows it represents over 50% of their operating budget. The University of Oregon has an incoming freshman class made up of 57% out-of-state residents. They are one of 11 schools from one study that has over half of their student body from out-of-state. My conclusion is that maybe the president are not so stupid after all and that their real interest was getting exposure to out-of-state student east of the Mississippi. You can read more here. |
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Post by irimi on Oct 9, 2023 21:35:54 GMT -8
This is an interesting angle on it. But I think they just see that as the frosting on the cake.
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Post by bennyskid on Oct 10, 2023 6:30:26 GMT -8
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 10, 2023 7:37:34 GMT -8
Oregon State University = Oregon’s #1 University.
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Post by bvrbred on Oct 10, 2023 9:23:17 GMT -8
I believe that on-field athletic success is essential to attracting that kind of student. Who wants to party at a school that can't beat anybody at football or basketball? I also believe that this situation has proven a lifeline for schools like UO. Historically, the in-state kids with STEM aptitude, or kids from smaller towns in general, went to Oregon State. Oregon got the in state kids from larger towns who had no STEM aptitude but whose parents were middle-class merchants or professionals. But today, the offspring of merchants/professionals in those places want something better. They're doing everything they can to get into private universities or more upscale public places like UW. Where does that leave UO, who now has about 10,000 fewer students than Oregon State? Hoping they can sustain athletic success so they can attract out-of-state mediocres is where. As far as providing education for lower income kids, they have never been about that anyway, even though that is supposed to be their mission as a public university. |
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Post by ag87 on Oct 10, 2023 10:53:02 GMT -8
I have an acquaintance that graduated from San Diego State in 1990. He went to high school in Orange County and has lived in Eugene for about 15 years. I don't know him quite well enough to call him a friend but I think he is a good dude. And I swear he said last week that U of O is the new SDSU. California kids go there, party, get a degree in something like Public Administration, and everybody is happy. |
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Post by ag87 on Oct 10, 2023 10:55:19 GMT -8
I have an acquaintance that graduated from San Diego State in 1990. He went to high school in Orange County and has lived in Eugene for about 15 years. I don't know him quite well enough to call him a friend but I think he is a good dude. And I swear he said last week that U of O is the new SDSU. California kids go there, party, get a degree in something like Public Administration, and everybody is happy. he did say it's much more difficult to spend five days in Mexico smoking, surfing, and partying on the beach when you "study" in Eugene rather than San Diego. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 11, 2023 13:59:50 GMT -8
I believe that on-field athletic success is essential to attracting that kind of student. Who wants to party at a school that can't beat anybody at football or basketball? I also believe that this situation has proven a lifeline for schools like UO. Historically, the in-state kids with STEM aptitude, or kids from smaller towns in general, went to Oregon State. Oregon got the in state kids from larger towns who had no STEM aptitude but whose parents were middle-class merchants or professionals. But today, the offspring of merchants/professionals in those places want something better. They're doing everything they can to get into private universities or more upscale public places like UW. Where does that leave UO, who now has about 10,000 fewer students than Oregon State? Hoping they can sustain athletic success so they can attract out-of-state mediocres is where. As far as providing education for lower income kids, they have never been about that anyway, even though that is supposed to be their mission as a public university. When people question the value of hundreds of millions that pour into football and basketball and the obscene coach pay and why they make so much and professors make so little comparatively... well this is it. Nobody picks a school for a superstar professor that is a leader in their field. (well a few nerds do, I am sure...) The bulk of college kids go to schools that look cool. seem cool. So much of the choice for a kid isn't just what they are going to learn, but the experience they are going to have. There is an absolute and real impact to enrollment, particularly out of state, to colleges that not only have good sports teams, but have an atmosphere that looks exciting, fun, wild, crazy, etc. We all see college games on TV, and TV love, love, LOVES to show the students going nuts all game long. Long story short, I don't think this is a crazy notion. For sure it helped land the proposal, I imagine. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 11, 2023 14:19:09 GMT -8
Sorta OT but I just read a ranking of 2024 Big 10 schools as education facilities and had to giggle Hole was dead last
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 11, 2023 16:17:43 GMT -8
I believe that on-field athletic success is essential to attracting that kind of student. Who wants to party at a school that can't beat anybody at football or basketball? I also believe that this situation has proven a lifeline for schools like UO. Historically, the in-state kids with STEM aptitude, or kids from smaller towns in general, went to Oregon State. Oregon got the in state kids from larger towns who had no STEM aptitude but whose parents were middle-class merchants or professionals. But today, the offspring of merchants/professionals in those places want something better. They're doing everything they can to get into private universities or more upscale public places like UW. Where does that leave UO, who now has about 10,000 fewer students than Oregon State? Hoping they can sustain athletic success so they can attract out-of-state mediocres is where. As far as providing education for lower income kids, they have never been about that anyway, even though that is supposed to be their mission as a public university. When people question the value of hundreds of millions that pour into football and basketball and the obscene coach pay and why they make so much and professors make so little comparatively... well this is it. Nobody picks a school for a superstar professor that is a leader in their field. (well a few nerds do, I am sure...) The bulk of college kids go to schools that look cool. seem cool. So much of the choice for a kid isn't just what they are going to learn, but the experience they are going to have. There is an absolute and real impact to enrollment, particularly out of state, to colleges that not only have good sports teams, but have an atmosphere that looks exciting, fun, wild, crazy, etc. We all see college games on TV, and TV love, love, LOVES to show the students going nuts all game long. Long story short, I don't think this is a crazy notion. For sure it helped land the proposal, I imagine. Not disagreeing, the Flutie Factor is real, but we are about the uncoolest school in P5 and our enrollment dwarfs that of the school some deem the coolest. Luckily we have about 11k students who wants to be engineering nerds. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 11, 2023 19:15:41 GMT -8
As a father of kids who will (hopefully) be going to college in the next decade, out-of-state tuition seems like a horrible investment. College tuition in general, has gone thru the roof. Maybe I live in a different world, but I feel like out of state tuition revenue will go down significantly.....inflation has made living so much more expensive, in a short period of time. The general public will be looking for more bang for your buck in general, I think.
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Post by bdudbeaver on Oct 11, 2023 19:28:19 GMT -8
It is well documented that nation-wide, universities are way overspending on buildings and staff, passing higher tuition onto students, pushing for more out-of-state tuition, resulting in higher overall student loans, which then leads to political fights. That's the world we live in. I appreciate that OSU takes pride, and has a goal, in wanting to educate our best (and also not quite best) Oregon HS students.
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