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Post by hottubbeaver on Oct 4, 2023 11:14:13 GMT -8
what P5 conference other than the PAC would be a best fit for OSU?
I have a hard time not ending up with the SEC as my final answer. The ACC is easy to rule out. Good arguments can be made for each of the remaining three. What tips the SEC as the best fit for me is a couple things. Baseball is of course one thing, the other is I've always been struck by how similar in so many aspects LSU is to OSU.
Look at the similarities as found in Wikipedia (LSU then OSU):
Founded - 1860 vs 1868
Type- Public Land Grant vs Public Land Grant
Academic Affiliations - ORAU, Sea Grant, Space Grant, Land Grant vs ORAU, Sea Grant, Space Grant, Sun Grant, Land Grant
Endowment- 696MM vs 820MM
Students- 37,394 vs 37,121
Current Football Ranking- #23 vs #15 (yes they have a big advantage in historical success, not suggesting otherwise)
Current Baseball Recruiting Class Ranking- #3 vs #8 ( Baseball America)
Then I look at Florida,MSU, Missouri, Vandy, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Auburn, SC, etc...and don't see teams we couldn't compete with, especially if given similar conference revenues. Not to reopen an old wound but we held our own vs LSU on their field.
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Post by bdudbeaver on Oct 4, 2023 19:20:57 GMT -8
I think culturality (I made that up) matters more than regionality. When Colorado joined the Pac, it was widely viewed that culturally Boulder was closer to the West Coast than it was to Texas, so it made sense. Do you really want the fans inside the conference just despising the other team's fans? Other than for a few rivalries. Maybe today it makes for good TV.
As hard as it is to say, I think culturally Corvallis, despite OSU being an Ag and Engineering school, is not that much different than Eugene. Or that different than UW, Cal, etc. There is a West Coast vibe. I think OSU and WSU appreciates those feeding us a little more than the other university communities. I hope so, at least.
The one university I think we are most like is Colorado State, quite frankly.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 4, 2023 19:44:51 GMT -8
I think culturality (I made that up) matters more than regionality. When Colorado joined the Pac, it was widely viewed that culturally Boulder was closer to the West Coast than it was to Texas, so it made sense. Do you really want the fans inside the conference just despising the other team's fans? Other than for a few rivalries. Maybe today it makes for good TV. As hard as it is to say, I think culturally Corvallis, despite OSU being an Ag and Engineering school, is not that much different than Eugene. Or that different than UW, Cal, etc. There is a West Coast vibe. I think OSU and WSU appreciates those feeding us a little more than the other university communities. I hope so, at least. The one university I think we are most like is Colorado State, quite frankly. We certainly have zero similarities to those teams, fans, cultures of the SEC! |
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Post by irimi on Oct 4, 2023 20:17:46 GMT -8
I like the Big 10. I think (traditionally) they were very similar to the Pac.
God, I hope we're not like the SEC.
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Post by grayman on Oct 4, 2023 21:30:42 GMT -8
I think culturality (I made that up) matters more than regionality. When Colorado joined the Pac, it was widely viewed that culturally Boulder was closer to the West Coast than it was to Texas, so it made sense. Do you really want the fans inside the conference just despising the other team's fans? Other than for a few rivalries. Maybe today it makes for good TV. As hard as it is to say, I think culturally Corvallis, despite OSU being an Ag and Engineering school, is not that much different than Eugene. Or that different than UW, Cal, etc. There is a West Coast vibe. I think OSU and WSU appreciates those feeding us a little more than the other university communities. I hope so, at least. The one university I think we are most like is Colorado State, quite frankly.Not really a strong disagreement with CSU, but I think OSU is most like Iowa State. |
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Post by bvrbred on Oct 5, 2023 7:02:16 GMT -8
I think culturality (I made that up) matters more than regionality. When Colorado joined the Pac, it was widely viewed that culturally Boulder was closer to the West Coast than it was to Texas, so it made sense. Do you really want the fans inside the conference just despising the other team's fans? Other than for a few rivalries. Maybe today it makes for good TV. As hard as it is to say, I think culturally Corvallis, despite OSU being an Ag and Engineering school, is not that much different than Eugene. Or that different than UW, Cal, etc. There is a West Coast vibe. I think OSU and WSU appreciates those feeding us a little more than the other university communities. I hope so, at least. The one university I think we are most like is Colorado State, quite frankly. We certainly have zero similarities to those teams, fans, cultures of the SEC! Remember watching a televised SEC game when I was at Oregon State, in a TV room full of fellow OSU students. The SEC students were all wearing sport coats and ties. We all laughed. So would any other group of college students west of the MIssissippi. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Oct 5, 2023 9:07:18 GMT -8
I think culturality (I made that up) matters more than regionality. When Colorado joined the Pac, it was widely viewed that culturally Boulder was closer to the West Coast than it was to Texas, so it made sense. Do you really want the fans inside the conference just despising the other team's fans? Other than for a few rivalries. Maybe today it makes for good TV. As hard as it is to say, I think culturally Corvallis, despite OSU being an Ag and Engineering school, is not that much different than Eugene. Or that different than UW, Cal, etc. There is a West Coast vibe. I think OSU and WSU appreciates those feeding us a little more than the other university communities. I hope so, at least. The one university I think we are most like is Colorado State, quite frankly. We certainly have zero similarities to those teams, fans, cultures of the SEC! The cultural point is a good one. At the end of the day, we like they, are passionate about our school and teams. More than I can say for some current PAC non-voting members. There's really only one other school in the PAC who I can say pre game parties/tailgates like OSU and that's WSU. UW does to some degree but it's a different feel altogether. Oregon used to a decade ago. There is nowhere else in the PAC with such a broad area in proximity of the stadium full of tailgate parties that I am aware of. I haven't been to every away stadium so rely on descriptions for this statement from friends who have been to the ones I have not. Is there any other school in this conference who tailgates before baseball games? I would say we and WSU are more aligned with SEC fans than any other PAC team in this regard. |
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