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Post by hottubbeaver on Oct 3, 2023 12:08:52 GMT -8
Thought it would be interesting to have a thread dedicated to the "battle fronts" (BF) as I will call them. Here's my off the cuff list, what's missing?
BF 1. Court battle over who legally will control the PAC going forward
BF 2. Oregon lawmakers intervention/action or lack thereof and ensuing consequences. If something similar has been raised by WSU in their state I haven't seen anything on it.
BF 3. Attracting viable alternatives such as conference invites or having a plan in place to continue the PAC should a victory in BF 1 occur.
BF 4. The grains of sand in the hour glass. TIME, the ultimate battle front and enemy of all enemies.
Assuming a victory in BF 1, that would appear to be our trump card. Our opponents know it and I expect they will counter by attempting to stall the decision on BF 1 so the clock on scheduling for next season starts to run out. This would apply tremendous pressure, in our opponents eyes, on OSU and WSU to concede to a lessor "offer" or drop the challenge while there is still time on the clock to schedule.
We have a very competent and bright group in charge and I'm sure they have countermeasures ready for deployment.
Opportunity. The drama, plots, subplots, actors/bad actors in this whole situation are fascinating and made for tv. OSU & WSU could capitalize on the void in traditional media coverage and at same time shape the narrative via a daily podcast / youtube channel show.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 3, 2023 12:25:50 GMT -8
Thought it would be interesting to have a thread dedicated to the "battle fronts" (BF) as I will call them. Here's my off the cuff list, what's missing? BF 1. Court battle over who legally will control the PAC going forward BF 2. Oregon lawmakers intervention/action or lack thereof and ensuing consequences. If something similar has been raised by WSU in their state I haven't seen anything on it. BF 3. Attracting viable alternatives such as conference invites or having a plan in place to continue the PAC should a victory in BF 1 occur. BF 4. The grains of sand in the hour glass. TIME, the ultimate battle front and enemy of all enemies. Assuming a victory in BF 1, that would appear to be our trump card. Our opponents know it and I expect they will counter by attempting to stall the decision on BF 1 so the clock on scheduling for next season starts to run out. This would apply tremendous pressure, in our opponents eyes, on OSU and WSU to concede to a lessor "offer" or drop the challenge while there is still time on the clock to schedule. We have a very competent and bright group in charge and I'm sure they have countermeasures ready for deployment. Opportunity. The drama, plots, subplots, actors/bad actors in this whole situation are fascinating and made for tv. OSU & WSU could capitalize on the void in traditional media coverage and at same time shape the narrative via a daily podcast / youtube channel show. On the Oregon legislature, this is just my thoughts as a person that closely follows and works with the legislature. 1. extremely doubtful anything happens this upcoming session (2024 short session). The purpose of these sessions are high priority issues and budget balancing. They will not use a short session to appropriate OSU money. If there is a bill on this, I would be surprised. (I have been surprised before...) 2. If something happens, it is extremely doubtful the legislature ever mandates Oregon pay OSU anything. There is no political will. OSU is very well represented in the legislature (in terms of Alums) but so is Oregon. Ahem, our Governor is an Oregon grad... 3. Of the two major asks by OSU I think it is possible the legislature waives/forgives COVID debt from the school. Of everything in the world, I find that one the most likely. I find it possible, but unlikely, they appropriate $10M more to OSU to help cover scholarships, and if they did, it would be under some guise of equity or Title IX support. "ensuring OSU can continue to provide equal opportunity to disadvantaged athletes" type of deal. 4. neither of those two actions are likely to happen before the 2025 session. 5. The current Speaker of the House is Dan Rayfield. While he is not an OSU grad (he went to Western Oregon) he does represent the Corvallis district. He would be favorable to bills that address issues at OSU, particularly given that the potential budget crisis at the athletic department means loss jobs in Corvallis. Just my gut feeling. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 3, 2023 12:59:23 GMT -8
Thought it would be interesting to have a thread dedicated to the "battle fronts" (BF) as I will call them. Here's my off the cuff list, what's missing? BF 1. Court battle over who legally will control the PAC going forward BF 2. Oregon lawmakers intervention/action or lack thereof and ensuing consequences. If something similar has been raised by WSU in their state I haven't seen anything on it. BF 3. Attracting viable alternatives such as conference invites or having a plan in place to continue the PAC should a victory in BF 1 occur. BF 4. The grains of sand in the hour glass. TIME, the ultimate battle front and enemy of all enemies. Assuming a victory in BF 1, that would appear to be our trump card. Our opponents know it and I expect they will counter by attempting to stall the decision on BF 1 so the clock on scheduling for next season starts to run out. This would apply tremendous pressure, in our opponents eyes, on OSU and WSU to concede to a lessor "offer" or drop the challenge while there is still time on the clock to schedule. We have a very competent and bright group in charge and I'm sure they have countermeasures ready for deployment. Opportunity. The drama, plots, subplots, actors/bad actors in this whole situation are fascinating and made for tv. OSU & WSU could capitalize on the void in traditional media coverage and at same time shape the narrative via a daily podcast / youtube channel show. On the Oregon legislature, this is just my thoughts as a person that closely follows and works with the legislature. 1. extremely doubtful anything happens this upcoming session (2024 short session). The purpose of these sessions are high priority issues and budget balancing. They will not use a short session to appropriate OSU money. If there is a bill on this, I would be surprised. (I have been surprised before...) 2. If something happens, it is extremely doubtful the legislature ever mandates Oregon pay OSU anything. There is no political will. OSU is very well represented in the legislature (in terms of Alums) but so is Oregon. Ahem, our Governor is an Oregon grad... 3. Of the two major asks by OSU I think it is possible the legislature waives/forgives COVID debt from the school. Of everything in the world, I find that one the most likely. I find it possible, but unlikely, they appropriate $10M more to OSU to help cover scholarships, and if they did, it would be under some guise of equity or Title IX support. "ensuring OSU can continue to provide equal opportunity to disadvantaged athletes" type of deal. 4. neither of those two actions are likely to happen before the 2025 session. 5. The current Speaker of the House is Dan Rayfield. While he is not an OSU grad (he went to Western Oregon) he does represent the Corvallis district. He would be favorable to bills that address issues at OSU, particularly given that the potential budget crisis at the athletic department means loss jobs in Corvallis. Just my gut feeling. Can't the legislature put bills on the ballot without the governor? I think that I remember that they have that ability. I see actual legislation coming out of Oregon being about zero with Oregon's current governor. Either that, or you get the 1000+ people together to start getting a referendum together. It should be easy enough, if you just set up at Oregon State. Sign this, if you hate the Ducks. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 3, 2023 13:09:51 GMT -8
My biggest immediate worry is Battlefront #4, and how it ties into Battlefront #1. It would be extremely nice to have a determination on Battlefront #1 by the end of the regular season, no matter which way it swings.
If it happens before bowl season, at least a plan or plans can be in the works.
I had a mole biopsied back in 2014 and the week between the biopsy and the results was worse for me than the actual melanoma diagnosis and treatment. The doctors got their pound of flesh, literally, within weeks, and 9 years later I'm still just fine.
As far as the athletes and their futures as far as the transfer portal goes, I'm thinking they are in the "waiting on that call" phase. Knowing that the athletic department is actively in the process of making a plan for the future, with at least a hint of what that might be, will be a lot less nerve-wracking than trying to decide where to spend winter term will be if it's still completely up in the air.
Sometimes, even if it's not necessarily the news you want to hear, the unknown is much worse. Right now OSU cannot really make a plan of action, that's got to be on everbody in the department's nerves to some extent.
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Post by sparty on Oct 3, 2023 17:53:36 GMT -8
Thought it would be interesting to have a thread dedicated to the "battle fronts" (BF) as I will call them. Here's my off the cuff list, what's missing? BF 1. Court battle over who legally will control the PAC going forward BF 2. Oregon lawmakers intervention/action or lack thereof and ensuing consequences. If something similar has been raised by WSU in their state I haven't seen anything on it. BF 3. Attracting viable alternatives such as conference invites or having a plan in place to continue the PAC should a victory in BF 1 occur. BF 4. The grains of sand in the hour glass. TIME, the ultimate battle front and enemy of all enemies. Assuming a victory in BF 1, that would appear to be our trump card. Our opponents know it and I expect they will counter by attempting to stall the decision on BF 1 so the clock on scheduling for next season starts to run out. This would apply tremendous pressure, in our opponents eyes, on OSU and WSU to concede to a lessor "offer" or drop the challenge while there is still time on the clock to schedule. We have a very competent and bright group in charge and I'm sure they have countermeasures ready for deployment. Opportunity. The drama, plots, subplots, actors/bad actors in this whole situation are fascinating and made for tv. OSU & WSU could capitalize on the void in traditional media coverage and at same time shape the narrative via a daily podcast / youtube channel show. On the Oregon legislature, this is just my thoughts as a person that closely follows and works with the legislature. 1. extremely doubtful anything happens this upcoming session (2024 short session). The purpose of these sessions are high priority issues and budget balancing. They will not use a short session to appropriate OSU money. If there is a bill on this, I would be surprised. (I have been surprised before...) 2. If something happens, it is extremely doubtful the legislature ever mandates Oregon pay OSU anything. There is no political will. OSU is very well represented in the legislature (in terms of Alums) but so is Oregon. Ahem, our Governor is an Oregon grad... 3. Of the two major asks by OSU I think it is possible the legislature waives/forgives COVID debt from the school. Of everything in the world, I find that one the most likely. I find it possible, but unlikely, they appropriate $10M more to OSU to help cover scholarships, and if they did, it would be under some guise of equity or Title IX support. "ensuring OSU can continue to provide equal opportunity to disadvantaged athletes" type of deal. 4. neither of those two actions are likely to happen before the 2025 session. 5. The current Speaker of the House is Dan Rayfield. While he is not an OSU grad (he went to Western Oregon) he does represent the Corvallis district. He would be favorable to bills that address issues at OSU, particularly given that the potential budget crisis at the athletic department means loss jobs in Corvallis. Just my gut feeling. On point 3. If they tie it to forgiving student loans across all the Universities in the state or have the state pay off a portion of the student loans then I think it would pass in this state easily. Or a one year cutting tuition at all Universities in the state by 50%. Trade this for that just might work |
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Post by sparty on Oct 3, 2023 17:59:35 GMT -8
Thought it would be interesting to have a thread dedicated to the "battle fronts" (BF) as I will call them. Here's my off the cuff list, what's missing? BF 1. Court battle over who legally will control the PAC going forward BF 2. Oregon lawmakers intervention/action or lack thereof and ensuing consequences. If something similar has been raised by WSU in their state I haven't seen anything on it. BF 3. Attracting viable alternatives such as conference invites or having a plan in place to continue the PAC should a victory in BF 1 occur. BF 4. The grains of sand in the hour glass. TIME, the ultimate battle front and enemy of all enemies. Assuming a victory in BF 1, that would appear to be our trump card. Our opponents know it and I expect they will counter by attempting to stall the decision on BF 1 so the clock on scheduling for next season starts to run out. This would apply tremendous pressure, in our opponents eyes, on OSU and WSU to concede to a lessor "offer" or drop the challenge while there is still time on the clock to schedule. We have a very competent and bright group in charge and I'm sure they have countermeasures ready for deployment. Opportunity. The drama, plots, subplots, actors/bad actors in this whole situation are fascinating and made for tv. OSU & WSU could capitalize on the void in traditional media coverage and at same time shape the narrative via a daily podcast / youtube channel show. On the Oregon legislature, this is just my thoughts as a person that closely follows and works with the legislature. 1. extremely doubtful anything happens this upcoming session (2024 short session). The purpose of these sessions are high priority issues and budget balancing. They will not use a short session to appropriate OSU money. If there is a bill on this, I would be surprised. (I have been surprised before...) 2. If something happens, it is extremely doubtful the legislature ever mandates Oregon pay OSU anything. There is no political will. OSU is very well represented in the legislature (in terms of Alums) but so is Oregon. Ahem, our Governor is an Oregon grad... 3. Of the two major asks by OSU I think it is possible the legislature waives/forgives COVID debt from the school. Of everything in the world, I find that one the most likely. I find it possible, but unlikely, they appropriate $10M more to OSU to help cover scholarships, and if they did, it would be under some guise of equity or Title IX support. "ensuring OSU can continue to provide equal opportunity to disadvantaged athletes" type of deal. 4. neither of those two actions are likely to happen before the 2025 session. 5. The current Speaker of the House is Dan Rayfield. While he is not an OSU grad (he went to Western Oregon) he does represent the Corvallis district. He would be favorable to bills that address issues at OSU, particularly given that the potential budget crisis at the athletic department means loss jobs in Corvallis. Just my gut feeling. I did not realize that both state had independent trustee boards that have bylaws that state each board operates in the best interest of the school they serve, Do you think they will change the law and return it to one board to make uniform rulings. Maybe sometime in 2024 or 2025 but what do we do until that time play Tiddlywinks? Time is the real enemy of all of this, Our WBB recruiting is taking it right in the oregon right now. Can't land crap in recruiting right now. Yeah, no one cares about WBB, some do. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 3, 2023 19:41:51 GMT -8
On the Oregon legislature, this is just my thoughts as a person that closely follows and works with the legislature. 1. extremely doubtful anything happens this upcoming session (2024 short session). The purpose of these sessions are high priority issues and budget balancing. They will not use a short session to appropriate OSU money. If there is a bill on this, I would be surprised. (I have been surprised before...) 2. If something happens, it is extremely doubtful the legislature ever mandates Oregon pay OSU anything. There is no political will. OSU is very well represented in the legislature (in terms of Alums) but so is Oregon. Ahem, our Governor is an Oregon grad... 3. Of the two major asks by OSU I think it is possible the legislature waives/forgives COVID debt from the school. Of everything in the world, I find that one the most likely. I find it possible, but unlikely, they appropriate $10M more to OSU to help cover scholarships, and if they did, it would be under some guise of equity or Title IX support. "ensuring OSU can continue to provide equal opportunity to disadvantaged athletes" type of deal. 4. neither of those two actions are likely to happen before the 2025 session. 5. The current Speaker of the House is Dan Rayfield. While he is not an OSU grad (he went to Western Oregon) he does represent the Corvallis district. He would be favorable to bills that address issues at OSU, particularly given that the potential budget crisis at the athletic department means loss jobs in Corvallis. Just my gut feeling. On point 3. If they tie it to forgiving student loans across all the Universities in the state or have the state pay off a portion of the student loans then I think it would pass in this state easily. Or a one year cutting tuition at all Universities in the state by 50%. Trade this for that just might work The state can't forgive student loans. If they could the "left" group would have already. |
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Post by Dave86 on Oct 3, 2023 20:42:53 GMT -8
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Post by Dave86 on Oct 3, 2023 20:45:09 GMT -8
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Post by Dave86 on Oct 3, 2023 20:49:59 GMT -8
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Post by Dave86 on Oct 3, 2023 21:38:08 GMT -8
Sorry, this is about a month old. But it's still really good. WSU President Kirk Schulz is interviewed. Some highlights: ACC was pitched take all 4 schools Cal, OSU, WSU, & Stan. Said "no thanks" to OSU & WSU. Also the Big-12 was pitched and said "no thanks" to WSU. At 12:40 Kirk Schulz starts talking about the conference money. At 14:30 best legal advice has been acquired, WSU didn't go cheap At 16:55 the 2 year stall plan is discussed, Schulz admits this is feasible At 21:00 still play the Applecup? The linked article below quotes Schulz: “We have an outside firm that we have hired to provide the best legal advice. They're an international firm. We wanted to make sure that nobody in the Coug nation would go well, you went cheap on your attorneys get the very best people to give the very best legal advice for WSU. We’re cooperating and working with Oregon State and their legal team on this as well. And there'll be a lot of action in this space,” said Schulz. komonews.com/news/local/washington-state-university-wsu-oregon-state-university-osu-pac-12-athletic-director-president-assets-acc-apple-cup-scheduling-pullman-conference-realignment-big-ten-college-football-athletics-sports |
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Post by Dave86 on Oct 3, 2023 21:47:00 GMT -8
One more link... and another old one that I came across today. What interested me was this comment in the article: >> Under pressure to quickly make a decision from the Big 12, the Arizona schools and Utah committed to join the league, ending any conversation with the ACC. Not only had Utah, Arizona, & ASU been in talks with the Big 12, but they were talking with the ACC, too. But apparently the Big 12 was able to pressure the 3 four corners schools to make a commitment after Oregon and Washington backed out. sports.yahoo.com/it-is-insane--how-the-accs-contentious-back-and-forth-expansion-deal-ultimately-got-done-170122627.html |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 4, 2023 7:40:22 GMT -8
On the Oregon legislature, this is just my thoughts as a person that closely follows and works with the legislature. 1. extremely doubtful anything happens this upcoming session (2024 short session). The purpose of these sessions are high priority issues and budget balancing. They will not use a short session to appropriate OSU money. If there is a bill on this, I would be surprised. (I have been surprised before...) 2. If something happens, it is extremely doubtful the legislature ever mandates Oregon pay OSU anything. There is no political will. OSU is very well represented in the legislature (in terms of Alums) but so is Oregon. Ahem, our Governor is an Oregon grad... 3. Of the two major asks by OSU I think it is possible the legislature waives/forgives COVID debt from the school. Of everything in the world, I find that one the most likely. I find it possible, but unlikely, they appropriate $10M more to OSU to help cover scholarships, and if they did, it would be under some guise of equity or Title IX support. "ensuring OSU can continue to provide equal opportunity to disadvantaged athletes" type of deal. 4. neither of those two actions are likely to happen before the 2025 session. 5. The current Speaker of the House is Dan Rayfield. While he is not an OSU grad (he went to Western Oregon) he does represent the Corvallis district. He would be favorable to bills that address issues at OSU, particularly given that the potential budget crisis at the athletic department means loss jobs in Corvallis. Just my gut feeling. Can't the legislature put bills on the ballot without the governor? I think that I remember that they have that ability. I see actual legislation coming out of Oregon being about zero with Oregon's current governor. Either that, or you get the 1000+ people together to start getting a referendum together. It should be easy enough, if you just set up at Oregon State. Sign this, if you hate the Ducks. They absolutely can. The legislature is it's own branch of government and does not answer to the Governor whatsoever... (sort of). However, the Governor's party (democrats) tends to (but is not required to) vote for and align to the agenda of the governor. Just like at the federal level. If the Governor openly opposed something like this, it would make it hard to pass the bill. But not impossible. Mostly because they know it probably gets vetoed if there isn't a 2/3rds majority. The Governor also has some special rights. For instance she could, in theory, call a special session, for the legislature to address this issue if she wanted. But the biggest issue is Oregon is a part-time voluntary legislature. Meaning unlike a few other states, our legislators are not full time, year round employees. They leave the capitol after session and go about their regular lives until the next session and largely do not have much in the way of ongoing responsibilities. Of course they meet and talk and do things, but about half of them go back to their regular jobs. Because they are not showing up to the capitol every day like a 9-5, it can be difficult to coordinate on issues like this. They get reserved for the law making sessions, and have to compete with every other stacked up priority. |
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