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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 2, 2023 21:53:07 GMT -8
Ya never know: A thread beginning with our AD and integrity, (de)evolves into a thread about PERS (1,2,3,4….?).
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Post by bill82 on Oct 3, 2023 3:22:26 GMT -8
In this current environment where conference affiliation, media revenue and brand power are king, who would want to hire an AD that has no conference, no media revenue, and a lots of work undone with their branding? Seems like Scott is more in line to be hired as an Assistant AD for operations at one of the Big 10/SEC schools.
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Post by bvrbred on Oct 3, 2023 7:08:22 GMT -8
In this current environment where conference affiliation, media revenue and brand power are king, who would want to hire an AD that has no conference, no media revenue, and a lots of work undone with their branding? Seems like Scott is more in line to be hired as an Assistant AD for operations at one of the Big 10/SEC schools. How about a school that already has a good conference affiliation, media revenue, etc? Do you really think they're going to blame Barnes for Oregon State's situation? Barnes hired Jonathan Smith, surely one of the better dark horse football hires at least to my mind. Barnes also got the West grandstand replacement project underway during a very difficult time frame. We tend to associate that project with the JS turnaround of the program, but it got started from the ruins of GAG, thanks to Barnes.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 3, 2023 9:12:31 GMT -8
Riley was either a Tier II or Tier III PERS employee when he was hired in 2003. He only worked 12-13 years in the system, so his benefits are not anywhere near Bellotti's. He gets no credit for 1997-98 because too many years had passed between his state employment. PERS often is used as a convenient strawman by those who do not like public employees. Clearly there were some problems with Tier I, those have been addressed. Also be advised that public employees were asked to take PERS benefits in leu of raises sometime in the 1980s.I am not a PERS recipient. Sentence 1 - not even close. Sentence 2 - true, but it was meant to be temporary. After the regular raises began kicking in later, the contribution in lieu of raise was never eliminated. Funny, many municipalities and entities in the state sued because of the outsized payouts to Tier 1, as it took away state resources to hire, and it was affecting their ability to pay tier 2, 3, etc. Tier 1 recipients regularly remind everyone that their benefits are "etched into the constitution - you can't change it, even the actuarial tables". A former governor tried - it got shut down. As I said, some people use PERS as a strawman. Perhaps some people attacking PERS need to be reminded benefits are "etched in the Constitution," ie, a protected right. Mayhaps the governor got shut down because what he was attempting to do was not allowed by the Oregon constitution. Barnes is highly employable. Depending on what happens the next two years his stock would only improve if he successfully guides OSU through this especially challenging time.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 3, 2023 9:33:59 GMT -8
From the official release:
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Post by bennyskid on Oct 3, 2023 9:36:58 GMT -8
As I said, some people use PERS as a strawman. Perhaps some people attacking PERS need to be reminded benefits are "etched in the Constitution," ie, a protected right. Mayhaps the governor got shut down because what he was attempting to do was not allowed by the Oregon constitution.
So, if it's in the constitution, then it isn't subject to debate or complaint? Good to know . . .
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Post by NativeBeav on Oct 3, 2023 10:54:30 GMT -8
Sentence 1 - not even close. Sentence 2 - true, but it was meant to be temporary. After the regular raises began kicking in later, the contribution in lieu of raise was never eliminated. Funny, many municipalities and entities in the state sued because of the outsized payouts to Tier 1, as it took away state resources to hire, and it was affecting their ability to pay tier 2, 3, etc. Tier 1 recipients regularly remind everyone that their benefits are "etched into the constitution - you can't change it, even the actuarial tables". A former governor tried - it got shut down. As I said, some people use PERS as a strawman. Perhaps some people attacking PERS need to be reminded benefits are "etched in the Constitution," ie, a protected right. Mayhaps the governor got shut down because what he was attempting to do was not allowed by the Oregon constitution. Barnes is highly employable. Depending on what happens the next two years his stock would only improve if he successfully guides OSU through this especially challenging time. Speaking of strawman, I like how people use the "etched into the constitution" when it best suits them, not as it is written. Heaven forbid the State of Oregon should do what other pension funds and insurance companies do - update actuarial tables based on actual factual data - and to make the fund more solvent for everyone. Greed is what got the governor shut down. Not attacking PERS - just the unequal application of benefits, depending on when you were hired. As well as, you know, sustainability and being reasonable.
I agree - Barnes is highly employable. He has done good things, including continuing what "Builder Bob" had started. Not defending everything that BD did, but I am proud that with the new west side, as I understand it, unlike UW with their complete rebuild, our debt servicing is around 2mil, whereas UW is 17.5mil this next year
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 3, 2023 10:59:30 GMT -8
Thanks to those posters sticking to the topic and avoiding segues into off topic subjects.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 3, 2023 11:52:12 GMT -8
Tier IV PERS benefits aren't anywhere near as lucrative as non-public employees think. at age 65 he will be eligible to get 15% of his final average salary, if he was hired at 55... His salary is just over $1 million a year. Figure by the time he is done that is $1.2million he probably gets a $180,000 annual benefit from PERS.
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Post by bill82 on Oct 4, 2023 3:53:39 GMT -8
In this current environment where conference affiliation, media revenue and brand power are king, who would want to hire an AD that has no conference, no media revenue, and a lots of work undone with their branding? Seems like Scott is more in line to be hired as an Assistant AD for operations at one of the Big 10/SEC schools. How about a school that already has a good conference affiliation, media revenue, etc? Do you really think they're going to blame Barnes for Oregon State's situation? Barnes hired Jonathan Smith, surely one of the better dark horse football hires at least to my mind. Barnes also got the West grandstand replacement project underway during a very difficult time frame. We tend to associate that project with the JS turnaround of the program, but it got started from the ruins of GAG, thanks to Barnes. I could see him getting hired by UW if it were 2010. He has not evolved into the current role of a top-level AD.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 4, 2023 8:39:41 GMT -8
How about a school that already has a good conference affiliation, media revenue, etc? Do you really think they're going to blame Barnes for Oregon State's situation? Barnes hired Jonathan Smith, surely one of the better dark horse football hires at least to my mind. Barnes also got the West grandstand replacement project underway during a very difficult time frame. We tend to associate that project with the JS turnaround of the program, but it got started from the ruins of GAG, thanks to Barnes. I could see him getting hired by UW if it were 2010. He has not evolved into the current role of a top-level AD. And what is the "current role of a top-level AD?" Fundraising? The Reser project raised well above its target in private money. Hiring? Smith and Canham and Quintana and Pendleton and Boss were all solid wins. Jury still out on men's soccer II and volleyball, not enough sample size. Women's soccer continues to struggle. Facilities? West grandstand. Soccer stadium. Track & field grandstand. Hitting facility. Tough decisions? Eliminating the swimming program (or any sport) is not an easy decision. Where does he have to "evolve?"
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Post by bill82 on Oct 5, 2023 18:58:45 GMT -8
I could see him getting hired by UW if it were 2010. He has not evolved into the current role of a top-level AD. And what is the "current role of a top-level AD?" Fundraising? The Reser project raised well above its target in private money. Hiring? Smith and Canham and Quintana and Pendleton and Boss were all solid wins. Jury still out on men's soccer II and volleyball, not enough sample size. Women's soccer continues to struggle. Facilities? West grandstand. Soccer stadium. Track & field grandstand. Hitting facility. Tough decisions? Eliminating the swimming program (or any sport) is not an easy decision. Where does he have to "evolve?" Build a brand that appeals to media companies and NIL partners. He created long-term financial obligations while completely missing the boat on media revenue. Most would make the same mistake. So he is an ordinary AD. An exceptional AD would have focused on building a brand, an admittedly tough task.
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Post by grayman on Oct 5, 2023 19:12:50 GMT -8
And what is the "current role of a top-level AD?" Fundraising? The Reser project raised well above its target in private money. Hiring? Smith and Canham and Quintana and Pendleton and Boss were all solid wins. Jury still out on men's soccer II and volleyball, not enough sample size. Women's soccer continues to struggle. Facilities? West grandstand. Soccer stadium. Track & field grandstand. Hitting facility. Tough decisions? Eliminating the swimming program (or any sport) is not an easy decision. Where does he have to "evolve?" Build a brand that appeals to media companies and NIL partners. He created long-term financial obligations while completely missing the boat on media revenue. Most would make the same mistake. So he is an ordinary AD. An exceptional AD would have focused on building a brand, an admittedly tough task. Building a brand isn't really Barnes' job, at least not directly. More on marketing. OSU probably has dropped the ball to a degree in the area but it's not really on Barnes, IMO. Some of it is no doubt related to funds. OSU isn't Oregon. There's not going to be any OSU QBs on NYC billboards.
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Post by bill82 on Oct 6, 2023 6:13:37 GMT -8
Build a brand that appeals to media companies and NIL partners. He created long-term financial obligations while completely missing the boat on media revenue. Most would make the same mistake. So he is an ordinary AD. An exceptional AD would have focused on building a brand, an admittedly tough task. Building a brand isn't really Barnes' job, at least not directly. More on marketing. OSU probably has dropped the ball to a degree in the area but it's not really on Barnes, IMO. Some of it is no doubt related to funds. OSU isn't Oregon. There's not going to be any OSU QBs on NYC billboards. Oregon fell into their partnership with Nike. And that Nike HQ is in Portland helps them capture that media market. It is uphill sledding for OSU. I think we are missing the boat with NVIDIA and their investment in our engineering program. Their processors are driving the cloud-based gaming systems. They have a presence in Portland although their HQ is in Silicon Valley. Conventional thinking is to get money from them to support our program. I'd ask to borrow their brand power. The money UO gets from Nike (typical AD focus) is worth less to them than the association with the Nike brand. I'd put NVIDIA logos on our field if they would let us. You can justify it with their $50 million investment in the engineering program if your are thinking along the lines of the old model. "Powered by NVIDIA" on the jerseys would draw attention to our academic program. State of the art gaming systems in our locker rooms would get the attention of recruits. Pay former NFL players that are now stars in esports competitions be on the sidelines. The new model is use influencers to build a brand. Also, we need to play in a conference that has members in or close to the east coast time zone. And yes, I'm an old fart shaking my fist at the clouds.
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Post by grayman on Oct 6, 2023 9:33:24 GMT -8
Building a brand isn't really Barnes' job, at least not directly. More on marketing. OSU probably has dropped the ball to a degree in the area but it's not really on Barnes, IMO. Some of it is no doubt related to funds. OSU isn't Oregon. There's not going to be any OSU QBs on NYC billboards. Oregon fell into their partnership with Nike. And that Nike HQ is in Portland helps them capture that media market. It is uphill sledding for OSU. I think we are missing the boat with NVIDIA and their investment in our engineering program. Their processors are driving the cloud-based gaming systems. They have a presence in Portland although their HQ is in Silicon Valley. Conventional thinking is to get money from them to support our program. I'd ask to borrow their brand power. The money UO gets from Nike (typical AD focus) is worth less to them than the association with the Nike brand. I'd put NVIDIA logos on our field if they would let us. You can justify it with their $50 million investment in the engineering program if your are thinking along the lines of the old model. "Powered by NVIDIA" on the jerseys would draw attention to our academic program. State of the art gaming systems in our locker rooms would get the attention of recruits. Pay former NFL players that are now stars in esports competitions be on the sidelines. The new model is use influencers to build a brand. Also, we need to play in a conference that has members in or close to the east coast time zone. And yes, I'm an old fart shaking my fist at the clouds. You bring up some interesting ideas regarding NVIDIA. I'm not sure if Jen-Hsun Huang is interested in a tie-in with OSU football/athletics but it wouldn't hurt to put these ideas out there (not sure if OSU has done so). Maybe send an email to Barnes?
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