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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 2, 2023 14:03:56 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 2, 2023 15:18:19 GMT -8
The way I look at is, for one thing, he was hired around age 55 or so, he's probably building up a fair amount of PERS benefits (not like how it could have been under earlier tiers) and can continue to pad those until he retires.
More importantly, he's probably got what he must think is an interesting challenge ahead with whatever maneuvers he's cooking up for the athletic department.
This is kind of a big deal. We've got a couple posters here who seem to think OSU athletics doomed or seriously compromised. I'd suspect that if Barnes felt that at all, UW, or almost anywhere else, would have been a very promising way out for him.
Until we hear he's actively seeking a way out, I have to believe he believes good things are ahead for OSU athletics.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 2, 2023 15:20:41 GMT -8
Tier IV PERS benefits aren't anywhere near as lucrative as non-public employees think.
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Post by ftd on Oct 2, 2023 15:29:40 GMT -8
Yeah hope it's not a 'famous last words' moment...or say he does jump ship to UW and says...F it...we are staying in the Pac 12...yes I know super not gonna happen
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 2, 2023 15:30:11 GMT -8
Tier IV PERS benefits aren't anywhere near as lucrative as non-public employees think. And, they hate us Tier I or II + IAP types!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 2, 2023 15:31:20 GMT -8
Tier IV PERS benefits aren't anywhere near as lucrative as non-public employees think. Those early tiers were probably too generous in at least some cases. Bellotti's retirement money is nuts. I don't know what is currently going on, but it's nothing like that these days from what I've heard.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 2, 2023 15:31:58 GMT -8
Tier IV PERS benefits aren't anywhere near as lucrative as non-public employees think. Those early tiers were probably too generous in at least some cases. Bellotti's retirement money is nuts. I don't know what is currently going on, but it's nothing like that these days from what I've heard. Nope 😊
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 2, 2023 15:34:27 GMT -8
Tier IV PERS benefits aren't anywhere near as lucrative as non-public employees think. Those early tiers were probably too generous in at least some cases. Bellotti's retirement money is nuts. I don't know what is currently going on, but it's nothing like that these days from what I've heard. You can't just single out Bellotti when Pat Casey is in the top 5 of PERS earners. PERSThe rest of the top 5 are all OHSU doctors.
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Post by ftd on Oct 2, 2023 15:36:02 GMT -8
Those early tiers were probably too generous in at least some cases. Bellotti's retirement money is nuts. I don't know what is currently going on, but it's nothing like that these days from what I've heard. You can't just single out Bellotti when Pat Casey is in the top 5 of PERS earners. PERSThe rest of the top 5 are all OHSU doctors. I didn't realize 5 had retired? But, if so, I will say the same applies to hie as it does to Mikey B. IMHO the schools should have to cover those PERS costs, not the general PERS fund. I think MDs are in a different class that athletic coaches....So they get a pass. BTW where is Riley in PERS?
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Post by bvrbooster on Oct 2, 2023 16:02:00 GMT -8
With respect to Barnes, he's 61 years old, so closing in on retirement. My guess would be that he has decided that he'd rather finish up fighting the good fight, and the just fight, rather than be remembered as throwing in with the traitors when the opportunity was presented to do so. Whatever his motivation, good for him.
With respect to PERS, I don't know much about it, as I was already retired when I moved to Oregon. But I have heard people say that benefits can be too high because they guarantee your contributions will grow at 8% a year (or something along those lines).
If so, that's not an unreasonable assumption. Monies deposited into a defined benefit pension plan are meant to grow for a long, long time. Since January 1, 1917, money invested in the S&P 500 for any 40 year period will have averaged a return of right around 11.1% per year, with the worst return (1/1/29 - 12/31/68) being 8.83% per year.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 2, 2023 16:04:26 GMT -8
Those early tiers were probably too generous in at least some cases. Bellotti's retirement money is nuts. I don't know what is currently going on, but it's nothing like that these days from what I've heard. You can't just single out Bellotti when Pat Casey is in the top 5 of PERS earners. PERSThe rest of the top 5 are all OHSU doctors. Sorry to touch on the political aspect of PERS. I'm thinking Casey is probably getting too much as well. My only real issue is the money paid out at the very top end. They probably should have put a dollar amount limit at it, say a quarter mil a year or something. I know someone who started with the city parks department straight out of high school, never spent a minute in college I believe, but openly admitted he can pretty much talk his way into jobs. In his 50s he got hired into a role where he said in 1-2 years he could quit and make more money than he ever had made in a year in his life up to that point. He even thought it was kinda high, but he put in 4+ decades and people who do that kinda deserve it unless it puts the program into jeopardy. I'm more of a defined contribution guy than a defined benefit guy, I think it more sustainable for everyone, including the state.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 2, 2023 16:09:51 GMT -8
You can't just single out Bellotti when Pat Casey is in the top 5 of PERS earners. PERSThe rest of the top 5 are all OHSU doctors. I didn't realize 5 had retired? But, if so, I will say the same applies to hie as it does to Mikey B. IMHO the schools should have to cover those PERS costs, not the general PERS fund. I think MDs are in a different class that athletic coaches....So they get a pass. BTW where is Riley in PERS? Riley was either a Tier II or Tier III PERS employee when he was hired in 2003. He only worked 12-13 years in the system, so his benefits are not anywhere near Bellotti's. He gets no credit for 1997-98 because too many years had passed between his state employment. PERS often is used as a convenient strawman by those who do not like public employees. Clearly there were some problems with Tier I, those have been addressed. Also be advised that public employees were asked to take PERS benefits in leu of raises sometime in the 1980s. I am not a PERS recipient.
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Post by ftd on Oct 2, 2023 16:16:40 GMT -8
I didn't realize 5 had retired? But, if so, I will say the same applies to hie as it does to Mikey B. IMHO the schools should have to cover those PERS costs, not the general PERS fund. I think MDs are in a different class that athletic coaches....So they get a pass. BTW where is Riley in PERS? Riley was either a Tier II or Tier III PERS employee when he was hired in 2003. He only worked 12-13 years in the system, so his benefits are not anywhere near Bellotti's. He gets no credit for 1997-98 because too many years had passed between his state employment. PERS often is used as a convenient strawman by those who do not like public employees. PS: I am not a PERS recipient. FYI I don't have an issue with PERS for the vast majority of employees. I am mostly retired, but if I was to leave my current private sector company for a similar public sector job,,....I'd take a 50% paycut....no bonus, no stock...less salary...So I am OK with PERS for most jobs....You take less when working than you could get in private sector for the long term payoff in retirement...OK by me! College sports coaches though? Not good on those payouts.....
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Post by bvrbred on Oct 2, 2023 17:00:31 GMT -8
The way I look at is, for one thing, he was hired around age 55 or so, he's probably building up a fair amount of PERS benefits (not like how it could have been under earlier tiers) and can continue to pad those until he retires. More importantly, he's probably got what he must think is an interesting challenge ahead with whatever maneuvers he's cooking up for the athletic department. This is kind of a big deal. We've got a couple posters here who seem to think OSU athletics doomed or seriously compromised. I'd suspect that if Barnes felt that at all, UW, or almost anywhere else, would have been a very promising way out for him. Until we hear he's actively seeking a way out, I have to believe he believes good things are ahead for OSU athletics. In 1975 Oregon State's Athletic Director, Jim Barratt, quit to become a part owner of a travel agency. Kind of an odd lateral move for someone who had been a very successful AD and couldn't have been older than about 50. Should have suspected what Barratt probably suspected--that trouble was ahead for OSU athletics under MacVicar.
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Post by NativeBeav on Oct 2, 2023 21:20:12 GMT -8
I didn't realize 5 had retired? But, if so, I will say the same applies to hie as it does to Mikey B. IMHO the schools should have to cover those PERS costs, not the general PERS fund. I think MDs are in a different class that athletic coaches....So they get a pass. BTW where is Riley in PERS? Riley was either a Tier II or Tier III PERS employee when he was hired in 2003. He only worked 12-13 years in the system, so his benefits are not anywhere near Bellotti's. He gets no credit for 1997-98 because too many years had passed between his state employment. PERS often is used as a convenient strawman by those who do not like public employees. Clearly there were some problems with Tier I, those have been addressed. Also be advised that public employees were asked to take PERS benefits in leu of raises sometime in the 1980s.I am not a PERS recipient. Sentence 1 - not even close. Sentence 2 - true, but it was meant to be temporary. After the regular raises began kicking in later, the contribution in lieu of raise was never eliminated. Funny, many municipalities and entities in the state sued because of the outsized payouts to Tier 1, as it took away state resources to hire, and it was affecting their ability to pay tier 2, 3, etc. Tier 1 recipients regularly remind everyone that their benefits are "etched into the constitution - you can't change it, even the actuarial tables". A former governor tried - it got shut down.
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