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Post by vhalum92 on Sept 26, 2023 16:34:29 GMT -8
From OSU and WSU'S perspective, the B10 makes much more sense. Two northwest rivals and a total of six west coast teams. Travel doesn't matter for football. For every other sport, maybe half the extra costs disappear. I'm sure the bean counters in Seattle and Eugene want this. To the marketeers, the ego blow may be fatal. I personally am still leaning towards we try to make a renewed PAC after we win in court. Is the long term future of the B12 all that more secure? It may look ok in the short term, but seems it would be the the least likely to survive future "realignments". Traveling two time zones away to the B1G seems impractical for so many reasons outside of 4 or 5 football games a year.. "If" the gist of the points made in this video are correct, and we win in court, then we would control some serious revenue streams and could use to potentially attract a UU, ASU, and UofA back, something I think the B12 is seriously concerned about right now, and then form a partnership with the MWC, and N.D. for schedule filling and we could have a viable and legitimate P5 way forward that's mostly sill regional. Great find on the video. It clarifies some things for me and I do appreciate that. The tricky part of rebuilding the Pac is if we can get UU, ASU and Uof A back it will take some time. I just don't see them reversing course because we are getting this playoff cash. I don't think we would ever get ND. They are too stuck on themselves and talk about travel for them. Every away game would be big travel. I'm not trying to throw rocks from a glass house but pulling in MWC teams isn't winning me over. For anyone that went to SJSU, it was such a drop in quality of everything. In short, if we rebuild the pac it will take a long time and the idea of pulling in MWC teams doesn't keep us as a Power 5 conference. I'm not saying I have a better idea... or that I think the Big 12 is "solid" as a conference. I do know if we want to have a football team playing at this level we have to have P 5 conference affiliations. It is messy! but 300-350 mil over 2 years to share with WSU does make things interesting! I expect pressure from the schools that have left to get us into the Big 12 or 10... I haven 't thought through the big 10 much as it just seemed to far fetched. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 26, 2023 16:36:29 GMT -8
That would be illegal. The university cannot have anything to do with NIL. Actually, they can have something to do with NIL. You are correct, they can't pay a player directly, but they can coordinate with booster collectives. That’s not what you said. The money has to come from outside parties, not from university funds. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 26, 2023 16:37:30 GMT -8
Actually, they can have something to do with NIL. You are correct, they can't pay a player directly, but they can coordinate with booster collectives. That’s not what you said. The money has to come from outside parties, not from university funds. I know. I was merely responding to your statement that they can't have anything to do with it. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 26, 2023 16:42:41 GMT -8
Actually, they can have something to do with NIL. You are correct, they can't pay a player directly, but they can coordinate with booster collectives. I think what he is saying there are ways to cheat. Just got to be creative because everyone is doing it. We need to start bend the rules anyway we can because this is the only way we can survive. Gotta change our ways from here on out. If it takes back room deals like the SEC is known for then do it. No, I am saying judge is correct that you can't directly pay an athlete via nil (although we'll probably have to pay them as employees at some point). But I was also saying judge is incorrect in stating they can't have anything to do with NIL. Ultimately I think you could set up something in a grey area - hey judge lighting, we want to pay you $10 million to install new lighting, but I don't know that you want to go there or that you wouldn't ultimately lose that arms race. But currently, we can't even get $1,000,000 from our fans to get the collective match and we don't seem to have a lot of big donors (I mean, outside of the ones that just emptied their pockets for the reser addition). So maybe we need to think outside not only the box but the place in which the box was opened. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 26, 2023 18:42:50 GMT -8
Actually, they can have something to do with NIL. You are correct, they can't pay a player directly, but they can coordinate with booster collectives. I think what he is saying there are ways to cheat. Just got to be creative because everyone is doing it. We need to start bend the rules anyway we can because this is the only way we can survive. Gotta change our ways from here on out. If it takes back room deals like the SEC is known for then do it. Cheating is just wrong, except for Chip Kelly and his fans and the like I guess. Intentionally skirting ruls sets a bad precedent in my opinion. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 27, 2023 10:07:58 GMT -8
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Post by hottubbeaver on Sept 27, 2023 10:43:48 GMT -8
I personally am still leaning towards we try to make a renewed PAC after we win in court. Is the long term future of the B12 all that more secure? It may look ok in the short term, but seems it would be the the least likely to survive future "realignments". Traveling two time zones away to the B1G seems impractical for so many reasons outside of 4 or 5 football games a year.. "If" the gist of the points made in this video are correct, and we win in court, then we would control some serious revenue streams and could use to potentially attract a UU, ASU, and UofA back, something I think the B12 is seriously concerned about right now, and then form a partnership with the MWC, and N.D. for schedule filling and we could have a viable and legitimate P5 way forward that's mostly sill regional. Great find on the video. It clarifies some things for me and I do appreciate that. The tricky part of rebuilding the Pac is if we can get UU, ASU and Uof A back it will take some time. I just don't see them reversing course because we are getting this playoff cash. I don't think we would ever get ND. They are too stuck on themselves and talk about travel for them. Every away game would be big travel. I'm not trying to throw rocks from a glass house but pulling in MWC teams isn't winning me over. For anyone that went to SJSU, it was such a drop in quality of everything. In short, if we rebuild the pac it will take a long time and the idea of pulling in MWC teams doesn't keep us as a Power 5 conference. I'm not saying I have a better idea... or that I think the Big 12 is "solid" as a conference. I do know if we want to have a football team playing at this level we have to have P 5 conference affiliations. It is messy! but 300-350 mil over 2 years to share with WSU does make things interesting! I expect pressure from the schools that have left to get us into the Big 12 or 10... I haven 't thought through the big 10 much as it just seemed to far fetched. My thought on ND wasn't that we could get them to join as a conference member. As you say, that's not something they have shown the desire to pursue. My thought was more in regard to working with them on schedule filling. In regard to the MWC and SJSU, I think your point is valid in regard to them and also think they (SJSU) do not reflect what others in the MWC look like at all. SDSU, Fresno St., Boise, Wyoming, and Utah St., all currently have an entirely different game day atmosphere and if propped up to a P5 level that would only draw more interest, investment, and energy. I thought one of the key points made in the video was about how there really isn't much if any additional demand for Saturday tv time slots however there is demand to fill more post season slots and a refreshed PAC could potentially capitalize on that demand. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 27, 2023 12:03:03 GMT -8
I think what he is saying there are ways to cheat. Just got to be creative because everyone is doing it. We need to start bend the rules anyway we can because this is the only way we can survive. Gotta change our ways from here on out. If it takes back room deals like the SEC is known for then do it. No, I am saying judge is correct that you can't directly pay an athlete via nil (although we'll probably have to pay them as employees at some point). But I was also saying judge is incorrect in stating they can't have anything to do with NIL. Ultimately I think you could set up something in a grey area - hey judge lighting, we want to pay you $10 million to install new lighting, but I don't know that you want to go there or that you wouldn't ultimately lose that arms race. But currently, we can't even get $1,000,000 from our fans to get the collective match and we don't seem to have a lot of big donors (I mean, outside of the ones that just emptied their pockets for the reser addition). So maybe we need to think outside not only the box but the place in which the box was opened. So, you propose money laundering? This isn’t Ozark. Sheesh. That’s not a “grey” area, that would be a federal crime. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 27, 2023 12:07:33 GMT -8
No, I am saying judge is correct that you can't directly pay an athlete via nil (although we'll probably have to pay them as employees at some point). But I was also saying judge is incorrect in stating they can't have anything to do with NIL. Ultimately I think you could set up something in a grey area - hey judge lighting, we want to pay you $10 million to install new lighting, but I don't know that you want to go there or that you wouldn't ultimately lose that arms race. But currently, we can't even get $1,000,000 from our fans to get the collective match and we don't seem to have a lot of big donors (I mean, outside of the ones that just emptied their pockets for the reser addition). So maybe we need to think outside not only the box but the place in which the box was opened. So, you propose money laundering? This isn’t Ozark. Sheesh. That’s not a “grey” area, that would be a federal crime. It's not money laundering, sheesh. The money wasn't gained through illegal means. Are you just bored today? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 27, 2023 12:09:50 GMT -8
So, you propose money laundering? This isn’t Ozark. Sheesh. That’s not a “grey” area, that would be a federal crime. It's not money laundering, sheesh. The money wasn't gained through illegal means. Are you just bored today? Funneling university funds to a donor to use for NIL is money laundering. Money laundering can just be disguising the source of funds. It doesn’t have to be gained through illegal means. It would also violate the bidding process that the university has to go through for any project. |
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