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Post by sparty on Sept 28, 2023 5:52:26 GMT -8
I don't have any questions. They are looking out for themselves.....their brand. What else do we need to know? F em At this point I think in the world today "everyone is looking out for themselves". Just the way society is built now days. Stanford and Cal are doing the same thing when it would have been better to be the pac-4 instead of in the ACC. Even if they (oregon) came out and said they are looking out for themselves what would that mean. When the politicians changed the legislation in 2013 to form individual trustee boards for each university it says in the language that each board "looks out and serves the best interest of the university" they are serving. Now you can talk all about separate trustee boards are not really that great it is what is in place today. Those board members are appointed by the Governor btw. Prior to like 2013 or so the one board system would have looked at this differently and have different accountabilities. The more time marches on the more dire things get.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Sept 28, 2023 11:12:50 GMT -8
I don't have any questions. They are looking out for themselves.....their brand. What else do we need to know? F em If that's the case, then they aren't that bright. Streaming is the future and regional travel is so much less expensive and more accommodating to the athletes... In O's case it clearly looks to have boiled down to an ego thing. W on the other hand is in a financial dire straights and panicked. O without their manufactured rivalry with W is what? This is one thing I really respect about the SEC. They may be fierce competitors on the field. Their administrations, students, and fans may absolutely loath one another. BUT they all get one thing and execute it to perfection. They stand firm with locked arms and do not waiver on supporting one another. Strength in numbers and fully united. They get the power that gives each individual member and the whole. What other conference cheers the conference name. Sure partly because S E C rolls off the tongue easier than some of the other conference acronyms but also because they just get it.
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Post by sparty on Sept 28, 2023 11:45:30 GMT -8
I don't have any questions. They are looking out for themselves.....their brand. What else do we need to know? F em If that's the case, then they aren't that bright. Streaming is the future and regional travel is so much less expensive and more accommodating to the athletes... In O's case it clearly looks to have boiled down to an ego thing. W on the other hand is in a financial dire straights and panicked. O without their manufactured rivalry with W is what? This is one thing I really respect about the SEC. They may be fierce competitors on the field. Their administrations, students, and fans may absolutely loath one another. BUT they all get one thing and execute it to perfection. They stand firm with locked arms and do not waiver on supporting one another. Strength in numbers and fully united. They get the power that gives each individual member and the whole. What other conference cheers the conference name. Sure partly because S E C rolls off the tongue easier than some of the other conference acronyms but also because they just get it. Must be a southern state thing. Call it southern hospitality. a lot more pride in traditions, that is for sure.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 28, 2023 12:04:06 GMT -8
If you could ask a rep from uo one question regarding its decision to join the Big 10 in relation to the impact on i.e. their athletes, our athletic program, and the state of Oregon, what would that question be? Asking for a friend. I've read a lot of good insights. Fire away.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 28, 2023 12:05:26 GMT -8
If that's the case, then they aren't that bright. Streaming is the future and regional travel is so much less expensive and more accommodating to the athletes... In O's case it clearly looks to have boiled down to an ego thing. W on the other hand is in a financial dire straights and panicked. O without their manufactured rivalry with W is what? This is one thing I really respect about the SEC. They may be fierce competitors on the field. Their administrations, students, and fans may absolutely loath one another. BUT they all get one thing and execute it to perfection. They stand firm with locked arms and do not waiver on supporting one another. Strength in numbers and fully united. They get the power that gives each individual member and the whole. What other conference cheers the conference name. Sure partly because S E C rolls off the tongue easier than some of the other conference acronyms but also because they just get it. Must be a southern state thing. Call it southern hospitality. a lot more pride in traditions, that is for sure. The SEC has more history. More shared identity. Shared climate. Shared topography. The teams are physically closer together and there are a lot more people crammed a lot closer together in that area. It is miserable there. The best thing to do is to go to a football game in the Fall. The Pac-10 lost something, when Colorado and Utah were added. It was less regional and less unified. Heck, they even took the Pac-10 Sun and replaced it with a Pac-12 Mountain. And Colorado bolting back from off their Mountain to the Big 12 was what ultimately undid the Pac-12. After Colorado and Utah were added, UCLA and USC went from annual rivals to two years out of four. Arizona and Arizona State went from annual rivals to six out of eight. Oregon State has not played eight Pac-10 teams since 2019 and has only played eight Pac-10 teams three times in the past 11 years. California and Stanford always hated us. And why should any of the rest care?
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 28, 2023 12:14:04 GMT -8
Must be a southern state thing. Call it southern hospitality. a lot more pride in traditions, that is for sure. The SEC has more history. More shared identity. Shared climate. Shared topography. The teams are physically closer together and there are a lot more people crammed a lot closer together in that area. It is miserable there. The best thing to do is to go to a football game in the Fall. The Pac-10 lost something, when Colorado and Utah were added. It was less regional and less unified. Heck, they even took the Pac-10 Sun and replaced it with a Pac-12 Mountain. And Colorado bolting back from off their Mountain to the Big 12 was what ultimately undid the Pac-12. After Colorado and Utah were added, UCLA and USC went from annual rivals to two years out of four. Arizona and Arizona State went from annual rivals to six out of eight. Oregon State has not played eight Pac-10 teams since 2019 and has only played eight Pac-10 teams three times in the past 11 years. California and Stanford always hated us. And why should any of the rest care? Ultimately it's about the population base. The West is too sparsely populated to win out when the pencils get sharp and it becomes about big dollars and maximizing profits from advertisers. It seems like such a massive bummer that the rural areas are essentially being relegated, little by little. This is the opposite direction from the 85 scholarship limit introduction which was designed to keep the big programs from stockpiling all the talent. It was a nice experiment to try and introduce some parity but in the end money and corruption wins.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 28, 2023 12:18:05 GMT -8
The SEC has more history. More shared identity. Shared climate. Shared topography. The teams are physically closer together and there are a lot more people crammed a lot closer together in that area. It is miserable there. The best thing to do is to go to a football game in the Fall. The Pac-10 lost something, when Colorado and Utah were added. It was less regional and less unified. Heck, they even took the Pac-10 Sun and replaced it with a Pac-12 Mountain. And Colorado bolting back from off their Mountain to the Big 12 was what ultimately undid the Pac-12. After Colorado and Utah were added, UCLA and USC went from annual rivals to two years out of four. Arizona and Arizona State went from annual rivals to six out of eight. Oregon State has not played eight Pac-10 teams since 2019 and has only played eight Pac-10 teams three times in the past 11 years. California and Stanford always hated us. And why should any of the rest care? Ultimately it's about the population base. The West is too sparsely populated to win out when the pencils get sharp and it becomes about big dollars and maximizing profits from advertisers. It seems like such a massive bummer that the rural areas are essentially being relegated, little by little. This is the opposite direction from the 85 scholarship limit introduction which was designed to keep the big programs from stockpiling all the talent. It was a nice experiment to try and introduce some parity but in the end money and corruption wins. It's the line! We are on the wrong side of the line to get a fair shake without a strong state government or multiple strong regional allies.
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 28, 2023 12:26:48 GMT -8
Thank God Wilky - they can stay there! (Or at least outside of football realignment) On a side note, what makes this map a little disingenuous is the fact that fans of each of the western schools do not necessarily live west of that line. People are more mobile today than ever, and go where the jobs are. They can still be fans of their alma mater!
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 28, 2023 13:12:52 GMT -8
Must be a southern state thing. Call it southern hospitality. a lot more pride in traditions, that is for sure. The SEC has more history. More shared identity. Shared climate. Shared topography. The teams are physically closer together and there are a lot more people crammed a lot closer together in that area. It is miserable there. The best thing to do is to go to a football game in the Fall. The Pac-10 lost something, when Colorado and Utah were added. It was less regional and less unified. Heck, they even took the Pac-10 Sun and replaced it with a Pac-12 Mountain. And Colorado bolting back from off their Mountain to the Big 12 was what ultimately undid the Pac-12. After Colorado and Utah were added, UCLA and USC went from annual rivals to two years out of four. Arizona and Arizona State went from annual rivals to six out of eight. Oregon State has not played eight Pac-10 teams since 2019 and has only played eight Pac-10 teams three times in the past 11 years. California and Stanford always hated us. And why should any of the rest care? Agree except this is not possible! To not play (8) teams over the last (3) seasons means OSU played only (3) other teams?? If you then llimit it to Pac10, it would be ONE. Think may need rephrased?! I misread/interpreted?? Teams missed: 2019... SC, Col 2020... Zona, SC, UCLA, Col 2021... Zona, UCLA 2022... Zona, UCLA 2023... ASU, SC
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 28, 2023 13:22:15 GMT -8
The SEC has more history. More shared identity. Shared climate. Shared topography. The teams are physically closer together and there are a lot more people crammed a lot closer together in that area. It is miserable there. The best thing to do is to go to a football game in the Fall. The Pac-10 lost something, when Colorado and Utah were added. It was less regional and less unified. Heck, they even took the Pac-10 Sun and replaced it with a Pac-12 Mountain. And Colorado bolting back from off their Mountain to the Big 12 was what ultimately undid the Pac-12. After Colorado and Utah were added, UCLA and USC went from annual rivals to two years out of four. Arizona and Arizona State went from annual rivals to six out of eight. Oregon State has not played eight Pac-10 teams since 2019 and has only played eight Pac-10 teams three times in the past 11 years. California and Stanford always hated us. And why should any of the rest care? Agree except this is not possible! To not play (8) teams over the last (3) seasons means OSU played only (3) other teams?? If you then llimit it to Pac10, it would be ONE. Think may need rephrased?! I misread/interpreted?? Teams missed: 2019... SC, Col 2020... Zona, SC, UCLA, Col 2021... Zona, UCLA 2022... Zona, UCLA 2023... ASU, SC Pac-10. Oregon State has not played eight Pac-10 teams since 2019. They played both Colorado and Utah from each year from 2021-2023. Colorado and Utah are not and were never Pac-10 teams.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 28, 2023 14:48:45 GMT -8
I don't have any questions. They are looking out for themselves.....their brand. What else do we need to know? F em If that's the case, then they aren't that bright. Streaming is the future and regional travel is so much less expensive and more accommodating to the athletes... In O's case it clearly looks to have boiled down to an ego thing. W on the other hand is in a financial dire straights and panicked. O without their manufactured rivalry with W is what? This is one thing I really respect about the SEC. They may be fierce competitors on the field. Their administrations, students, and fans may absolutely loath one another. BUT they all get one thing and execute it to perfection. They stand firm with locked arms and do not waiver on supporting one another. Strength in numbers and fully united. They get the power that gives each individual member and the whole. What other conference cheers the conference name. Sure partly because S E C rolls off the tongue easier than some of the other conference acronyms but also because they just get it. Streaming only wants the big matchups and wants east coast eyeballs, so I think the teams that went to the B1G are plenty bright. Look at the potential eyeball matchups now in the B1G (Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State, USC, UCLA, uo, Washington, Iowa). That right there is a season worth of huge potential matchups, matchups that will have interest now on the east coast and the west coast (and of course any other team in the B1G that strings 7 or 8 wins becomes a big matchup at the end of the season). The old pac12 really can not compete with that potential slate for a season of big games. The B1G is in a great spot to take advantage of Streaming when their current media rights deals expire in 2030. Now for the teams that went ACC and Big 12, yes I could see them having regrets fairly quickly.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 28, 2023 14:54:03 GMT -8
Ultimately it's about the population base. The West is too sparsely populated to win out when the pencils get sharp and it becomes about big dollars and maximizing profits from advertisers. It seems like such a massive bummer that the rural areas are essentially being relegated, little by little. This is the opposite direction from the 85 scholarship limit introduction which was designed to keep the big programs from stockpiling all the talent. It was a nice experiment to try and introduce some parity but in the end money and corruption wins. It's the line! We are on the wrong side of the line to get a fair shake without a strong state government or multiple strong regional allies. A big chunk of the light on the west side is oil patch flares in the Dakotas and West Texas, not people.
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Post by ag87 on Sept 28, 2023 15:34:10 GMT -8
I think Texas Tech is the only P5 non-PAC school west of that line
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 28, 2023 16:14:09 GMT -8
If that's the case, then they aren't that bright. Streaming is the future and regional travel is so much less expensive and more accommodating to the athletes... In O's case it clearly looks to have boiled down to an ego thing. W on the other hand is in a financial dire straights and panicked. O without their manufactured rivalry with W is what? This is one thing I really respect about the SEC. They may be fierce competitors on the field. Their administrations, students, and fans may absolutely loath one another. BUT they all get one thing and execute it to perfection. They stand firm with locked arms and do not waiver on supporting one another. Strength in numbers and fully united. They get the power that gives each individual member and the whole. What other conference cheers the conference name. Sure partly because S E C rolls off the tongue easier than some of the other conference acronyms but also because they just get it. Streaming only wants the big matchups and wants east coast eyeballs, so I think the teams that went to the B1G are plenty bright. Look at the potential eyeball matchups now in the B1G (Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State, USC, UCLA, uo, Washington, Iowa). That right there is a season worth of huge potential matchups, matchups that will have interest now on the east coast and the west coast (and of course any other team in the B1G that strings 7 or 8 wins becomes a big matchup at the end of the season). The old pac12 really can not compete with that potential slate for a season of big games. The B1G is in a great spot to take advantage of Streaming when their current media rights deals expire in 2030. Now for the teams that went ACC and Big 12, yes I could see them having regrets fairly quickly. Are you pretty sure about that first sentence? At this point in time it’s the big networks that want big matchups and large markets, and streaming tends to be where you can find the specialty stuff. Maybe they “want” to produce the big games, but their bread and butter for now is diversified content. We’ll see how it goes if the PAC rebuilds. If Apple is bidding at that point they would be bidding on ‘lower matchups” than even the last go around. The Big 10 may have a partner with serious risk of not being able to, or want to, meet their obligations before their media deal is over.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 28, 2023 16:38:44 GMT -8
If that's the case, then they aren't that bright. Streaming is the future and regional travel is so much less expensive and more accommodating to the athletes... In O's case it clearly looks to have boiled down to an ego thing. W on the other hand is in a financial dire straights and panicked. O without their manufactured rivalry with W is what? This is one thing I really respect about the SEC. They may be fierce competitors on the field. Their administrations, students, and fans may absolutely loath one another. BUT they all get one thing and execute it to perfection. They stand firm with locked arms and do not waiver on supporting one another. Strength in numbers and fully united. They get the power that gives each individual member and the whole. What other conference cheers the conference name. Sure partly because S E C rolls off the tongue easier than some of the other conference acronyms but also because they just get it. Streaming only wants the big matchups and wants east coast eyeballs, so I think the teams that went to the B1G are plenty bright. Look at the potential eyeball matchups now in the B1G (Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State, USC, UCLA, uo, Washington, Iowa). That right there is a season worth of huge potential matchups, matchups that will have interest now on the east coast and the west coast (and of course any other team in the B1G that strings 7 or 8 wins becomes a big matchup at the end of the season). The old pac12 really can not compete with that potential slate for a season of big games. The B1G is in a great spot to take advantage of Streaming when their current media rights deals expire in 2030. Now for the teams that went ACC and Big 12, yes I could see them having regrets fairly quickly. Lol... so that's why the Pac10 and west coast based got potentially the largest streaming platform to offer a contact?! Yeah... ever watch games that are streamed? Cuz they typically aren't (and won't be for a while) the biggest matchups or east coast based.
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