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Post by aggielarry on Sept 8, 2023 16:35:17 GMT -8
Explain Rudolf Heß. Or Heinz Guderian or Erwin Rommel being buried, like they were, on the depth chart. Or Hitler's overestimation of the abilities of Hermann Göring. Or the failure to complete the Graf Zeppelin. Or Germany's over-use of bombers. Or Germany's overreliance on Tritium to make an atomic bomb. Or the failure to rebuild their nuclear reactor. Praise God that Hitler was not a better evaluator of talent! Things could have been cataclysmically worse. Don't get side tracked, the important thing is we are comparing gag to Hitler, and only aggielarry (of course) is defending gag. Dude. I'm not defending GA. He is a deeply flawed person. I personally called John Hartwell, our AD at the time, at told him I was strongly opposed to re-hiring him as head coach. I was aware of what had gone on in Corvallis. One of our employees was the mother of one of the OSU football equipment staff. I heard about it in excruciating detail. I made Hartwell aware of what had been going on. I am NOT a fan of GA. Look, I know what is going on with you guys sucks. I know you're angry, and looking for someone to lash out at. If you've decided I need to be the target and it makes you feel better, take your shot. I'm just some anonymous guy on a fan board. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 8, 2023 16:37:32 GMT -8
Interesting thing. No one is a comic book hero, no one is a comic book villain. Andersen was one of the key individuals in the resurrection of Utah State football. He took a real bottom 10 program and got us to nationally ranked and a bowl game win in four years. People were very upset when he left. It was only in the aftermath of his second, disastrous stint at USU that we discovered that he had been having the same kind of problems in Logan, even during his first time there, that he continued to have in Corvallis (the drinking, and, well, other stuff...). I think GA is capable of being a very good coach. Unfortunately, he is also a person of very weak, flawed character. I hope he can pull his act together. Both schools have moved on, and have successfully recovered from his coaching tenure. Not yet. Probably many people blame GA for this crappy predicament we are in now. If we had had even mediocre success following Mike Riley’s departure, I think we would’ve been invited to the Big 12. For a program with a miserable past like OSU, folks don’t believe easily. It’s always in their memories. Hopefully, he never feels nostalgic for Corvallis and wants to visit. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 8, 2023 16:55:58 GMT -8
Don't get side tracked, the important thing is we are comparing gag to Hitler, and only aggielarry (of course) is defending gag. Dude. I'm not defending GA. He is a deeply flawed person. I personally called John Hartwell, our AD at the time, at told him I was strongly opposed to re-hiring him as head coach. I was aware of what had gone on in Corvallis. One of our employees was the mother of one of the OSU football equipment staff. I heard about it in excruciating detail. I made Hartwell aware of what had been going on. I am NOT a fan of GA. Look, I know what is going on with you guys sucks. I know you're angry, and looking for someone to lash out at. If you've decided I need to be the target and it makes you feel better, take your shot. I'm just some anonymous guy on a fan board. You really shouldn’t be responding to me. Do you think I’m suddenly going to have an ahhh-haaa moment and decide to like you as a poster? Every single one of your posts just confirms my opinion of you. I think your a dopey fan hanging out on another teams message board. The only way you can change that opinion is to stop hanging out on this message board, because there is no way I’m ever going to think more of you then you’re dopey. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 8, 2023 17:50:30 GMT -8
Don't get side tracked, the important thing is we are comparing gag to Hitler, and only aggielarry (of course) is defending gag. Dude. I'm not defending GA. He is a deeply flawed person. I personally called John Hartwell, our AD at the time, at told him I was strongly opposed to re-hiring him as head coach. I was aware of what had gone on in Corvallis. One of our employees was the mother of one of the OSU football equipment staff. I heard about it in excruciating detail. I made Hartwell aware of what had been going on. I am NOT a fan of GA. Look, I know what is going on with you guys sucks. I know you're angry, and looking for someone to lash out at. If you've decided I need to be the target and it makes you feel better, take your shot. I'm just some anonymous guy on a fan board. Nah, aggielarry, we don’t hold you any ill will. But Andersen was hated by all, and no platitudes will ever assuage that. Even hinting that he has any redeeming qualities or that you hope he can be successful in the future goes against our mantra. We don’t need to take it out on you, nor should we. Our disgust and anger is reserved for those who put us in this situation and their gloating fans. |
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 8, 2023 18:35:14 GMT -8
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Post by aggielarry on Sept 8, 2023 18:53:54 GMT -8
Dude. I'm not defending GA. He is a deeply flawed person. I personally called John Hartwell, our AD at the time, at told him I was strongly opposed to re-hiring him as head coach. I was aware of what had gone on in Corvallis. One of our employees was the mother of one of the OSU football equipment staff. I heard about it in excruciating detail. I made Hartwell aware of what had been going on. I am NOT a fan of GA. Look, I know what is going on with you guys sucks. I know you're angry, and looking for someone to lash out at. If you've decided I need to be the target and it makes you feel better, take your shot. I'm just some anonymous guy on a fan board. You really shouldn’t be responding to me. Do you think I’m suddenly going to have an ahhh-haaa moment and decide to like you as a poster? Every single one of your posts just confirms my opinion of you. I think your a dopey fan hanging out on another teams message board. The only way you can change that opinion is to stop hanging out on this message board, because there is no way I’m ever going to think more of you then you’re dopey. Well now I have to keep responding to you just to irritate you... Oh, and I just "liked" your last post... |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 8, 2023 20:36:11 GMT -8
Interesting thing. No one is a comic book hero, no one is a comic book villain. Andersen was one of the key individuals in the resurrection of Utah State football. He took a real bottom 10 program and got us to nationally ranked and a bowl game win in four years. People were very upset when he left. It was only in the aftermath of his second, disastrous stint at USU that we discovered that he had been having the same kind of problems in Logan, even during his first time there, that he continued to have in Corvallis (the drinking, and, well, other stuff...). I think GA is capable of being a very good coach. Unfortunately, he is also a person of very weak, flawed character. I hope he can pull his act together. Both schools have moved on, and have successfully recovered from his coaching tenure. Not yet. Probably many people blame GA for this crappy predicament we are in now. If we had had even mediocre success following Mike Riley’s departure, I think we would’ve been invited to the Big 12. For a program with a miserable past like OSU, folks don’t believe easily. It’s always in their memories. Hopefully, he never feels nostalgic for Corvallis and wants to visit. We could have won 8-9 games all those years and we still wouldn’t have been invited to the Big 12. You don’t get it. Unless you have a national brand and a big tv market, you’re out. Mediocre success would have put us in the exact same spot we’re in now. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 8, 2023 20:40:45 GMT -8
Dude. I'm not defending GA. He is a deeply flawed person. I personally called John Hartwell, our AD at the time, at told him I was strongly opposed to re-hiring him as head coach. I was aware of what had gone on in Corvallis. One of our employees was the mother of one of the OSU football equipment staff. I heard about it in excruciating detail. I made Hartwell aware of what had been going on. I am NOT a fan of GA. Look, I know what is going on with you guys sucks. I know you're angry, and looking for someone to lash out at. If you've decided I need to be the target and it makes you feel better, take your shot. I'm just some anonymous guy on a fan board. You really shouldn’t be responding to me. Do you think I’m suddenly going to have an ahhh-haaa moment and decide to like you as a poster? Every single one of your posts just confirms my opinion of you. I think your a dopey fan hanging out on another teams message board. The only way you can change that opinion is to stop hanging out on this message board, because there is no way I’m ever going to think more of you then you’re dopey. You'd know "dopey" first hand. And... judgemental, rude asswipe, and the other traits commonly associated with toxic individuals... high levels of narcissism, antisocial behavior, and a lack of empathy. Congrats. PS- "Aggie" was granted the opportunity to post here, unfortunately so were you. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 8, 2023 20:44:46 GMT -8
Not yet. Probably many people blame GA for this crappy predicament we are in now. If we had had even mediocre success following Mike Riley’s departure, I think we would’ve been invited to the Big 12. For a program with a miserable past like OSU, folks don’t believe easily. It’s always in their memories. Hopefully, he never feels nostalgic for Corvallis and wants to visit. We could have won 8-9 games all those years and we still wouldn’t have been invited to the Big 12. You don’t get it. Unless you have a national brand and a big tv market, you’re out. Mediocre success would have put us in the exact same spot we’re in now. Many think they get it. FFS... We have posters still creating a new "conference" with AAC teams that have no intent of leaving. But, of course our great media deal will draw them to us. Oh wait... |
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Post by irimi on Sept 9, 2023 7:28:15 GMT -8
Not yet. Probably many people blame GA for this crappy predicament we are in now. If we had had even mediocre success following Mike Riley’s departure, I think we would’ve been invited to the Big 12. For a program with a miserable past like OSU, folks don’t believe easily. It’s always in their memories. Hopefully, he never feels nostalgic for Corvallis and wants to visit. We could have won 8-9 games all those years and we still wouldn’t have been invited to the Big 12. You don’t get it. Unless you have a national brand and a big tv market, you’re out. Mediocre success would have put us in the exact same spot we’re in now. I disagree. I think if the Beavers had been nationally ranked during those years, we would have received an invite. We also would have had more favorable game times on the Pac 12 Network when we played and more of our games would have been highlighted. And you get more respect from the talking heads who show your highlights and pick you to win versus smaller teams like San Jose State. This is how you get to be a national brand. You can say it's all about market size because that makes it an easier bitter pill to swallow. We can't change Corvallis overnight. But it really starts with wins. Nothing else. A winning team gets viewers. |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 9, 2023 8:12:29 GMT -8
We could have won 8-9 games all those years and we still wouldn’t have been invited to the Big 12. You don’t get it. Unless you have a national brand and a big tv market, you’re out. Mediocre success would have put us in the exact same spot we’re in now. I disagree. I think if the Beavers had been nationally ranked during those years, we would have received an invite. We also would have had more favorable game times on the Pac 12 Network when we played and more of our games would have been highlighted. And you get more respect from the talking heads who show your highlights and pick you to win versus smaller teams like San Jose State. This is how you get to be a national brand. You can say it's all about market size because that makes it an easier bitter pill to swallow. We can't change Corvallis overnight. But it really starts with wins. Nothing else. A winning team gets viewers. Irimi is spot on. GAG and, to some extent, MR in his later years, are directly responsible for the bad years that lead to the loss of respect for OSU. Thus no invite. Heck, even in the LV Bowl, the world portrayed Florida as a gutted team rebuilding and the OSU win had an asterisk. Fast forward 8 months and the world put Florida on some epic pedestal against Utah 2 weeks ago. Utah’s win was treated as “phenomenal” but Florida showed to be the same team we faced. The common denominator, OSU. If we’re there, the opponent is found to be flawed. If we are not there, that same opponent is a world champ. That is the OSU GAG and others created in those years in the eyes of the college football world. Unfair, yes! |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 9, 2023 8:38:54 GMT -8
I disagree. I think if the Beavers had been nationally ranked during those years, we would have received an invite. We also would have had more favorable game times on the Pac 12 Network when we played and more of our games would have been highlighted. And you get more respect from the talking heads who show your highlights and pick you to win versus smaller teams like San Jose State. This is how you get to be a national brand. You can say it's all about market size because that makes it an easier bitter pill to swallow. We can't change Corvallis overnight. But it really starts with wins. Nothing else. A winning team gets viewers. Irimi is spot on. GAG and, to some extent, MR in his later years, are directly responsible for the bad years that lead to the loss of respect for OSU. Thus no invite. Heck, even in the LV Bowl, the world portrayed Florida as a gutted team rebuilding and the OSU win had an asterisk. Fast forward 8 months and the world put Florida on some epic pedestal against Utah 2 weeks ago. Utah’s win was treated as “phenomenal” but Florida showed to be the same team we faced. The common denominator, OSU. If we’re there, the opponent is found to be flawed. If we are not there, that same opponent is a world champ. That is the OSU GAG and others created in those years in the eyes of the college football world. Unfair, yes! Really, so how do you explain Cal getting an invite to the ACC? Or SMU? When was their football dominance? Realignment has zero to do with wins and losses. Unless we won a title, it would have made no difference. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 9, 2023 9:46:01 GMT -8
Irimi is spot on. GAG and, to some extent, MR in his later years, are directly responsible for the bad years that lead to the loss of respect for OSU. Thus no invite. Heck, even in the LV Bowl, the world portrayed Florida as a gutted team rebuilding and the OSU win had an asterisk. Fast forward 8 months and the world put Florida on some epic pedestal against Utah 2 weeks ago. Utah’s win was treated as “phenomenal” but Florida showed to be the same team we faced. The common denominator, OSU. If we’re there, the opponent is found to be flawed. If we are not there, that same opponent is a world champ. That is the OSU GAG and others created in those years in the eyes of the college football world. Unfair, yes! Really, so how do you explain Cal getting an invite to the ACC? Or SMU? When was their football dominance? Realignment has zero to do with wins and losses. Unless we won a title, it would have made no difference. You are asking us to explain what most of the football world cannot? But it certainly helped the Carl’s brother, Stanford, stood up for them. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 9, 2023 9:53:22 GMT -8
It really depends on each individual conference as far as which schools are pursued for expansion.
For the Big Ten, it has been mainly a combination of program success and branding along with TV numbers.
For the ACC it's been branding, school (academic) reputation and in SMU's case, a buy-in deal that the conference could not refuse.
The Big 12 has not been about TV viewership and not as much about branding and success.
There are two major reasons the Big 12 has not offered OSU and WSU, at least to this point:
1. TV money. Specifically how the Big 12's contracts with ESPN and Fox are structured. ESPN has a pro rata clause that enables the Big 12 to get paid more for adding schools. Fox does not. The issue for OSU and WSU is how many more schools will the Big 12 be willing to add (and the timing involved) and if the Big 12 is willing to add more schools at some point, where does it look to do so?
2. Location. The four Pac-12 schools were chosen in part due to their closer proximity to most of the established schools. OSU and WSU are way up here in the Pacific Northwest. Of course, that's not insurmountable. Cincinnati and Central Florida made it in.
A couple of notes...IMO, OSU's brand has never been more popular. And the football program is widely acknowledged as both on the rise and currently very good.
On top of everything else, timing has not been good for OSU in all of this.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 9, 2023 10:57:45 GMT -8
Really, so how do you explain Cal getting an invite to the ACC? Or SMU? When was their football dominance? Realignment has zero to do with wins and losses. Unless we won a title, it would have made no difference. You are asking us to explain what most of the football world cannot? But it certainly helped the Carl’s brother, Stanford, stood up for them. Carl was a baller! |
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