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Post by angrybeaver67 on Sept 6, 2023 6:41:18 GMT -8
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 6, 2023 6:56:42 GMT -8
Sounds like "we" are not going to go quietly into the night! |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 6, 2023 7:34:27 GMT -8
If laws were broken by the treasonous departing members, as encouraged and enabled by ESPN, FOX, or any other entities - lets rumble. It is amazing how exposing chicanery to sunlight tends to fix things. It is one of the best disinfectants.
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 6, 2023 7:55:39 GMT -8
I mentioned a month ago lawsuits were going to happen. I'm ready, full steam ahead. I do have a scenario that while not the same is similar. Couple are going to get married. To be wife and her family organize everything- place for wedding, flowers, reception place, food, entertainment. Even the honeymoon. Cost is 50k. The night before to be wife and husband tell each see you tomorrow. He doesn't show at the church the next day.. As it turns out an ex girlfriend calls the to be husband and persuades him not to marry. Does the wife and family have a case for.damages against husband and ex girlfriend?
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Post by grackle on Sept 6, 2023 7:56:39 GMT -8
Just imagine if the SEC and/or Fox and/or ESPN and/or the BIG10 were guilty of collusion and/or antitrust violations. AND, as a result, huge fines were levied AND PAC universities that have fled the conference were FORCED to return to the PAC!!!
Imagine trying to sort out THAT plate of justice and spaghetti!!!
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 6, 2023 8:21:29 GMT -8
I mentioned a month ago lawsuits were going to happen. I'm ready, full steam ahead. I do have a scenario that while not the same is similar. Couple are going to get married. To be wife and her family organize everything- place for wedding, flowers, reception place, food, entertainment. Even the honeymoon. Cost is 50k. The night before to be wife and husband tell each see you tomorrow. He doesn't show at the church the next day.. As it turns out an ex girlfriend calls the to be husband and persuades him not to marry. Does the wife and family have a case for.damages against husband and ex girlfriend? They certainly don't have any case against the girlfriend.
As for the groom, if the groom signed any of the contracts then of course he's liable to those service providers. But not to the bride's family, unless they can show that a contract was in place. Courts do not generally consider an engagement to be a contract.
I would assume that WSU's legal strategy is not about the wedding but the divorce. They will be going after as much of the Pac12 assets as possible, as they should. And the Pres is "flexing" here, making it clear to the rest of the conference that if those other schools want to try to claim any of those assets that it will not be easy for them.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 6, 2023 8:59:06 GMT -8
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I would assume that WSU's legal strategy is not about the wedding but the divorce. They will be going after as much of the Pac12 assets as possible, as they should. And the Pres is "flexing" here, making it clear to the rest of the conference that if those other schools want to try to claim any of those assets that it will not be easy for them.
[/quote] That's the way I see it. Why would Stanford and especially Cal take small payouts in ACC with lots of travel expense if they believed they could claim a hundred million or so by staying in the pac4? My thinking is they don't believe it, and in fact they plan to raid the pac2 treasury to subsidize their move to ACC. WSU is saying they won't negotiate and they will fight Lawsuits with lawsuits to keep that $$$, so don't even try. |
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Post by bvrbred on Sept 6, 2023 9:03:58 GMT -8
As I understand the analogy, the groom/family is the Pac12/schools and the ex-girlfriend is the Big10/networks. Accordingly, the poster was wondering about a suit against the ex-girlfriend. There is a legal action for torious interference with business relations but they would need to show the interference was wrongful. I don't know anything illegal about what the Big10/networks did unless there is some anti trust angle.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 6, 2023 9:10:11 GMT -8
"REBUILDING THE PAC but with only select schools from the MWC and AAC looks more and more the least likely option – the exit fees for 2024 MWC schools would owe are prohibitive at $34 million. (If a school were to announce new it were leaving the MWC in '25 the exit fee would be $17 million). If the MWC dissolves and all 12 join the new Pac, there are no exit fees.
"Unless something changes drastically, an all-in approach between WSU/OSU and the MWC looks far more likely. Either the MWC dissolves with all 12 schools joining the new Pac-14 or Mountain Pac or whatever it would be called – OR – the Cougs and Beavs join a new 14-team MWC. The problem with WSU and OSU simply joining the MWC? The two schools would probably forfeit whatever Pac-12 assets remain."
Hence, the reverse merger. Still seems like the most obvious, and the easiest, path. I still don't take Hawaii football. They're an expensive albatross.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 6, 2023 9:12:39 GMT -8
Assuming they all signed off on the bylaws, I doubt those who left have much of a leg to stand on as far as going after assets. There were bylaws specifically written to deal with exiting teams.
Sounds to me like they gave legal notice, maybe in what some consider to be in an a-hole-ish fashion, so I think getting damages from those who left to any great extent will be a tough fight as well.
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Post by bvrbred on Sept 6, 2023 9:17:04 GMT -8
Take enough schools to get 9 votes. Then winnow out, over time, those of the remaining 9 that are reluctant to upgrade their facilities/program. We can't rely on making the college playoffs every year to stay at our curent level of play. An upgraded Pac needs to be more than a warmed over, renamed, MWC.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 6, 2023 9:23:54 GMT -8
On the whole wedding thing, I had a friend who was getting married, he rented a 7000 sqft house in Hawaii for 2 weeks and flew her entire family, a good chunk of his family, and her 10 year old kid to the Big Island. He also bought over a 1000 bucks of booze.
She missed the plane and said she'd reschedule and be out in 2 days. She missed that plane, called him and said her professor (she was a research assistant) got offered a great job on the east coast, and she was going with him.
The family really liked him and the kid adored him. Awkward. His solution- "Let's drink". The family stayed the whole 2 weeks.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 6, 2023 9:34:24 GMT -8
Take enough schools to get 9 votes. Then winnow out, over time, those of the remaining 9 that are reluctant to upgrade their facilities/program. We can't rely on making the college playoffs every year to stay at our curent level of play. An upgraded Pac needs to be more than a warmed over, renamed, MWC. We can get to 11/12 teams easy peasy with a media deal half of what Apple Offered the Pac 9 a few weeks back. Adding 4-5 of the right teams further east can make it stronger than the current G5 leagues, and would have a lot of eyeballs on it. I think P5 status could still be on the table at that point. I read yesterday that the NCAA has it written in their actual bylaws that the PAC is a member of the "Autonomous 5", and it takes a unanimous vote of the P5 and G5 schools to change that. As long as the PAC still exists it could be tough to get it to vote against itself without major concessions or a big structure change on how the NCAA divvies up the money... the P5 schools get a far far bigger portion of the pie, that could be where the lawsuits fly. EDIT: I meant add 11-12 teams. Getting the MWC to not stick together won't necessarily be easy. I was thinking an 18 team 2 division conference. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 6, 2023 10:13:36 GMT -8
Take enough schools to get 9 votes. Then winnow out, over time, those of the remaining 9 that are reluctant to upgrade their facilities/program. We can't rely on making the college playoffs every year to stay at our curent level of play. An upgraded Pac needs to be more than a warmed over, renamed, MWC. We can get to 11/12 teams easy peasy with a media deal half of what Apple Offered the Pac 9 a few weeks back. Adding 4-5 of the right teams further east can make it stronger than the current G5 leagues, and would have a lot of eyeballs on it. I think P5 status could still be on the table at that point. I read yesterday that the NCAA has it written in their actual bylaws that the PAC is a member of the "Autonomous 5", and it takes a unanimous vote of the P5 and G5 schools to change that. As long as the PAC still exists it could be tough to get it to vote against itself without major concessions or a big structure change on how the NCAA divvies up the money... the P5 schools get a far far bigger portion of the pie, that could be where the lawsuits fly. I believe the CFP/bowl $ will be over $80 mil per P5 conference this season. The G5 conferences will split approximately $110 mil. Folks on here keep trying to point out the negative possibilities and rehash options that do not exit at this time. The Pac2 are legally the only voting members concerning any action concerning the conference August 1st, 2024 on. As long as they remain the Pac2 they will be a P5 Autonomous team with the extra bennies the NCAA grants for at least the next two years (the two year NCAA exemption period to get to 6+ teams). Hence, whatever Pac12 revenues are in play, will be there for '24-25 thru the '29-30 seasons... diminishing as the NCAA unit decrease (hence OSU and OSU hope 5, 6+ MBB and WBB teams make the tourneys). Add, the NCAA bennies and OSU/WSU have financial stability. BUT... mention somewhere earlier... OSU can't "BUY" their way into the B12 or any other conference! What... you pay the conference to join and then get no income?? Never has, and never will happen as it makes absolutely zero sense. Nor, in my opinion can OSU and WSU afford to go independent and attempt to schedule 100's of games on the fly. And, in doing so, exactly how receptive are the other P5 conferences going to be when they did not want you in the first place? How many would be willing to travel to Pullman and Corvallis, for what would have to be reduce payouts? Add, that almost every P5 team has many of their NC patsies lined up and have signed contracts they'd have to break. So, they'd be willing to just "help out" OSU/WSU for 2 seasons?? Going independent puts both schools completely at the whims of every other P5 school. We've just experienced that within our own conference which supposedly had some type of unity/loyalty. How'd that work out? Basing such a move on "I think" or I'm sure" without written contracts for games is program suicide. And, for multiple sports... NEVER (and that is a word that is tough to use) going to happen. Being a scheduling partner to the MWC also makes little sense as it does nothing to improve OSU/WSU's future. It gives a very short term solution to schedule games, but for how many sports? What is the trade off if the MWC schools have set NC contracts in place? If OSU/WSU are going to go that route they might as well push for the complete merger (not sure why "reverse" is used unless you are a MWC fan or team?) to the Pac2+ (PacMtn). A dissolved MWC has no buyouts, teams do not have to change/drop/pay off their current NC contracts, and you gain your scheduling partnership for every sport that schools sponsor. We find alternates for other sports now, so that isn't a major obstacle, and opens up an opportunity for some sports (baseball) to up their NC slate. If we are all going to pass out scenarios... I would guess that a dissolved MWC would nullify their media deal and would cause their media partner to come to the table for a better package of games. And, if Apple is indeed still lurking you could involve both, or create a market for a bit higher #. Plus, in this merger language could be incorporated to cover almost every scenario... contract length, exclusions/exit/additions, voting rights, etc. Not knowing anything about the actual league bylaws, conference interactions, insider knowledge of all the domino effects on each school, legalize, media interest/contracts, etc., to me the merger seems like the perfect fail safe considering the train wreck OSU/WSU were victims of, at least for the next 2-3 seasons. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 6, 2023 10:19:31 GMT -8
I believe it's called a reverse merger because the larger entity will be merging with the smaller entity and taking its name. Customarily it's the other way around.
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