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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 5, 2023 11:15:44 GMT -8
It can't happen, though, with Title IX. How does Notre Dame do it then? Public vs. private university? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 5, 2023 11:26:19 GMT -8
It can't happen, though, with Title IX. How does Notre Dame do it then? Notre Dame competes in the ACC for every other sport except football and hockey. It plays in the Big Ten in hockey. It is an independent in football only. And even then it has an arrangement with the ACC for scheduling and bowl slots. Army does this as well. It's an independent in football but plays in the Patriot League in every other sport. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 5, 2023 13:37:25 GMT -8
Vanderbilt is in the SEC because it was a charter member when the teams that formed the league broke away from the Southern Conference, which had gotten way too big. Not because it's an easy win in football. Vandy was a national powerhouse when the league was formed. I think the only schools to leave the SEC since its formation (Tulane, Ga. Tech, Sewanee, maybe some others) did so of their own volition. No one has been kicked out. Vanderbilt had not won a Southern Conference Championship since 1923, and that remains Vandy's final Championship in Football. Vanderbilt won a National Championship in 1922, but that was a decade before the Southeastern Conference formed. Vanderbilt seems to have tied itself to Tennessee early on, which is how it was able to get into the SIAA, the Southern Conference, and then the Southeastern Conference. Sewanee quit in 1940 to deemphasize athletics. Georgia Tech quit in 1964, because they got sick of Alabama bending the rules. Tulane quit in 1966, because they got sick of Alabama bending the rules. No one got kicked out. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 5, 2023 15:27:57 GMT -8
How does Notre Dame do it then? Public vs. private university? Gotta say it. Notre Dame has the power of religion behind it. When I lived in Hawaii, the most talked about game of the year was routinely Notre Dame vs USC. Part was because of there being a lot of SoCal transplants, but a lot of it was because of a strong Catholic community. There are only 4 independent schools. Notre Dame (who still is thinking about joining a conference because of the playoff situation coming up), Army (the power of being a service academy), UMASS (who is hurting and cannot find a conference), and UCONN (who I can't figure out, and I'm not sure they can either). There's a ton of benefits to being in a conference, even if it's not one of the top 4. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 5, 2023 15:41:53 GMT -8
Public vs. private university? Gotta say it. Notre Dame has the power of religion behind it. When I lived in Hawaii, the most talked about game of the year was routinely Notre Dame vs USC. Part was because of there being a lot of SoCal transplants, but a lot of it was because of a strong Catholic community. There are only 4 independent schools. Notre Dame (who still is thinking about joining a conference because of the playoff situation coming up), Army (the power of being a service academy), UMASS (who is hurting and cannot find a conference), and UCONN (who I can't figure out, and I'm not sure they can either). There's a ton of benefits to being in a conference, even if it's not one of the top 4. Easy fix. We become St. Oregon University. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 5, 2023 16:00:38 GMT -8
Gotta say it. Notre Dame has the power of religion behind it. When I lived in Hawaii, the most talked about game of the year was routinely Notre Dame vs USC. Part was because of there being a lot of SoCal transplants, but a lot of it was because of a strong Catholic community. There are only 4 independent schools. Notre Dame (who still is thinking about joining a conference because of the playoff situation coming up), Army (the power of being a service academy), UMASS (who is hurting and cannot find a conference), and UCONN (who I can't figure out, and I'm not sure they can either). There's a ton of benefits to being in a conference, even if it's not one of the top 4. Easy fix. We become St. Oregon University. That will go over well in Corvallis!  |
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Post by thomasg86 on Sept 5, 2023 16:21:59 GMT -8
I think announcing joining the MWC during the season would just put a damper on everything. So I kind of get it, maybe, just maybe, that is not our fate. Maybe we can play into something better.
Is it totally out of the realm of possibility the Big-12 sucks this year and Oregon State finishes a top 10 team? Nope. At that point, might the Big-12 extend the offer to shore up their football bona fides? Maybe. Long shot, sure. But I wouldn't rush into anything if you don't have to.
In the meantime, figure out the Pac-12 assets and plan of attack assuming that Big-12 invite doesn't come. Join MWC? Reverse merge MWC into Pac-12? Piece together best of MWC and AAC?
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Post by irimi on Sept 5, 2023 16:28:59 GMT -8
Easy fix. We become St. Oregon University. That will go over well in Corvallis! St. Oregon is the patron saint of beer and fishing. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 5, 2023 16:40:47 GMT -8
Public vs. private university? Gotta say it. Notre Dame has the power of religion behind it. When I lived in Hawaii, the most talked about game of the year was routinely Notre Dame vs USC. Part was because of there being a lot of SoCal transplants, but a lot of it was because of a strong Catholic community. There are only 4 independent schools. Notre Dame (who still is thinking about joining a conference because of the playoff situation coming up), Army (the power of being a service academy), UMASS (who is hurting and cannot find a conference), and UCONN (who I can't figure out, and I'm not sure they can either). There's a ton of benefits to being in a conference, even if it's not one of the top 4. Notre Dame is in the ACC for all sports but football, Army is in the Patriot League for all sports but football, Massachusetts is in the Atlantic 10 for all sports but football, and Connecticut is in the Big East for all sports but football. Basically, Army, Connecticut, and Massachusetts cannot find a conference to take them as a football-only member. I have heard that Connecticut is one of the teams that the Big 12 would take in a heartbeat, which might re-open the last round of apparently-closed conference expansion. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 5, 2023 19:13:52 GMT -8
Army was in CUSA for football at one time and did horribly. It has dumbed down its football schedule considerably and has found a way to win 8-9 games consistently and play in lower-level bowls.
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Post by obf on Sept 6, 2023 11:23:18 GMT -8
Correct me if I am wrong, but... I don't think the "stalling" has anything to do with hoping and wishing for a great season or another P5 conference to come calling. The "stalling" is to makes sure the Pac-12 brand and it's shares of CFP money, NCAA Tourney Money, etc. sticks around and comes to the Beavs and Cougs, if the Atlantic article has it right, it probably makes sense for the Beavs and Cougs to tough it out as the Pac-2 until the Mountain West media deal is up. Take the top mountain west teams and buy out a few AAC teams and create a new Pac-12 (or 14 or 18). This is also why the MWC being willing to schedule games with the Pac-2 the next few years is important. So does that also mean that one of the Beavs or the Cougs is always guaranteed to be a conference champion the next couple years? The new playoff format takes the 6 top ranked conference champs  So win teh Pac-2 and be ranking in the top 20 and you are pretty much in! |
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Post by qbeaver on Sept 6, 2023 11:50:45 GMT -8
I’ve heard numerous places where they have talked about football breaking away from the rest of the athletic department at the national level. Obviously regardless of title 9 or not,it’s being discussed as a possibility. Too,today they discussed having football being a national sport in the future,and the non revenue sports being regional sports. I could see that happening in 6-7 years.
Osu and WSU isn’t stalling. They just don’t know what assets they possess as the final 2 members of the Pac-12. Once they know what the final two teams have in assets financially,then they can proceed forward. Both Roxie Bernstein and Jon Wilner were on the JoeBeaver show discussing it an hour ago.Even if osu is not part of a power 5 conference,Wilner thinks osu could make the play-offs easier than uo or UW could being part of the Big 10.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 6, 2023 13:17:57 GMT -8
Football breaking away from the rest of the athletic department has been a discussion ever since they realized just how much Title 9 was affecting schools. It’s not a new conversation and they haven’t figured a work around.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 6, 2023 13:44:44 GMT -8
Football breaking away from the rest of the athletic department has been a discussion ever since they realized just how much Title 9 was affecting schools. It’s not a new conversation and they haven’t figured a work around. Easy peasy... schools drop football! No institutional connection. No "student athlete". To get around Title IX college football would have to become a completely separate entity, funded outside any educational institution. Of course the down side, if you lose football funding and 85 scholarships you potentially lose 85 women's scholarships! What is that, like 33%+ of all women's scholarships at OSU? |
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 6, 2023 13:51:35 GMT -8
Of course the down side, if you lose football funding and 85 scholarships you potentially lose 85 women's scholarships! What is that, like 33%+ of all women's scholarships at OSU?
At OSU, it's Women's Crew. The NCAA doesn't limit crew scholarships, so it's the cheap and easy way to meet Title IX requirements.
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So win teh Pac-2 and be ranking in the top 20 and you are pretty much in!