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Post by orangethunder on Sept 1, 2023 8:21:12 GMT -8
Has the Pac12 commissioner or whoever is in charge tried or done anything to keep the Pac from disintegrating even before it did . Did they even try to keep all those who have jumped ship from jumping ? I ask the same questions about whoever is responsible for Oregon State . Are they doing all they can in OSU's best interests or would they rather just hand the program , the school , a loaded gun and say be done with it ? I don't understand anything really in regards to realignments etc , the money part of it though I think it sucks that college football has become all about being a business and nothing more . I hope those who can and should be really are working hard on OSU and WSU behalf to make sure they have the best possible outcome
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Post by fishwrapper on Sept 1, 2023 10:53:30 GMT -8
What would you have done and how would you have done it? Serious question. Once we lost the LA schools, and the biggest market in the PAC's portfolio, what would you have done? How would you have done it?
How would you replace those schools with equal (media market) value, while maintaining a regional footprint?
You don't. Plain and simple. A year ago it became clear that it was now every school for itself, and regions don't matter anymore out here. How dwould you have compelled schools to stay? We have all known, long before the LA schools bolted, that the game - football - was no longer about the schools but about the dollars. And we all know football drives the programs. So how do you come up with the replacement dollars and lost media market from a year ago?
GK inherited a mess - this is true, and clearly the PAC - from the home office all the way to the campus boardrooms - were too late to the GOR game, thinking they had until the last year of the deal to get a new one going. There should have been a deal on the table before LA schools left. That's the only thing I can see that could have been done differently...proactively...and it needed to be happening three years ago when LS was packing his parachute.
It's really easy to sit here and opine about what shoulda, could been done years ago. Our reality happened a year ago with the first flight.
Look, I'm not thrilled either, but I'm also not surprised. Anyone paying attention for the past few years has been watching the train wreck unfold in slow-motion. It was only a matter of time before some train in the P5 jumped the tracks.
Trouble is, it turned out to be *our* train.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 1, 2023 13:47:17 GMT -8
What would you have done and how would you have done it? Serious question. Once we lost the LA schools, and the biggest market in the PAC's portfolio, what would you have done? How would you have done it? How would you replace those schools with equal (media market) value, while maintaining a regional footprint? You don't. Plain and simple. A year ago it became clear that it was now every school for itself, and regions don't matter anymore out here. How dwould you have compelled schools to stay? We have all known, long before the LA schools bolted, that the game - football - was no longer about the schools but about the dollars. And we all know football drives the programs. So how do you come up with the replacement dollars and lost media market from a year ago? GK inherited a mess - this is true, and clearly the PAC - from the home office all the way to the campus boardrooms - were too late to the GOR game, thinking they had until the last year of the deal to get a new one going. There should have been a deal on the table before LA schools left. That's the only thing I can see that could have been done differently...proactively...and it needed to be happening three years ago when LS was packing his parachute. It's really easy to sit here and opine about what shoulda, could been done years ago. Our reality happened a year ago with the first flight. Look, I'm not thrilled either, but I'm also not surprised. Anyone paying attention for the past few years has been watching the train wreck unfold in slow-motion. It was only a matter of time before some train in the P5 jumped the tracks. Trouble is, it turned out to be *our* train. For one, I would have accepted the $30 million per school offer from ESPN after the LA schools had announced their departure, and not responded with a ridiculous counteroffer of $50 million. We have UO and UW to thank for that, if what I have read is correct. Every single departing Pac-12 school (and certainly us and WSU) would be better off earning $30 million a year instead of what they will earn in their new leagues, when the true cost of membership is computed. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 1, 2023 13:57:40 GMT -8
What would you have done and how would you have done it? Serious question. Once we lost the LA schools, and the biggest market in the PAC's portfolio, what would you have done? How would you have done it? How would you replace those schools with equal (media market) value, while maintaining a regional footprint? You don't. Plain and simple. A year ago it became clear that it was now every school for itself, and regions don't matter anymore out here. How dwould you have compelled schools to stay? We have all known, long before the LA schools bolted, that the game - football - was no longer about the schools but about the dollars. And we all know football drives the programs. So how do you come up with the replacement dollars and lost media market from a year ago? GK inherited a mess - this is true, and clearly the PAC - from the home office all the way to the campus boardrooms - were too late to the GOR game, thinking they had until the last year of the deal to get a new one going. There should have been a deal on the table before LA schools left. That's the only thing I can see that could have been done differently...proactively...and it needed to be happening three years ago when LS was packing his parachute. It's really easy to sit here and opine about what shoulda, could been done years ago. Our reality happened a year ago with the first flight. Look, I'm not thrilled either, but I'm also not surprised. Anyone paying attention for the past few years has been watching the train wreck unfold in slow-motion. It was only a matter of time before some train in the P5 jumped the tracks. Trouble is, it turned out to be *our* train. For one, I would have accepted the $30 million per school offer from ESPN after the LA schools had announced their departure, and not responded with a ridiculous counteroffer of $50 million. We have UO and UW to thank for that, if what I have read is correct. Every single departing Pac-12 school (and certainly us and WSU) would be better off earning $30 million a year instead of what they will earn in their new leagues, when the true cost of membership is computed. Ironically, it was sound fiscal policy that enabled us to rebuild Reser, and only have a roughly 2mil a year liability. It is the financial lunacy, as I understand it, that UW, Cal, etc engage in that have forced them to chase after the shiny object, and only be able to look at the short term gain to meet financial obligations. Like a 17 mil balloon payment for the leg humpers stadium next year. For us, the 30 mil would have been fine. But, just like being in a marriage where one partner cannot control their spending, it creates problems, and often decisions are made that are not in everyone's best interest. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 1, 2023 14:03:11 GMT -8
The "powers that be"... media... did just the opposite. Their concerns are viewership & $, not traditional conferences.
Media has long been the true "powers that be" in D1 football.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 1, 2023 14:09:26 GMT -8
What would you have done and how would you have done it? Serious question. Once we lost the LA schools, and the biggest market in the PAC's portfolio, what would you have done? How would you have done it? How would you replace those schools with equal (media market) value, while maintaining a regional footprint? You don't. Plain and simple. A year ago it became clear that it was now every school for itself, and regions don't matter anymore out here. How dwould you have compelled schools to stay? We have all known, long before the LA schools bolted, that the game - football - was no longer about the schools but about the dollars. And we all know football drives the programs. So how do you come up with the replacement dollars and lost media market from a year ago? GK inherited a mess - this is true, and clearly the PAC - from the home office all the way to the campus boardrooms - were too late to the GOR game, thinking they had until the last year of the deal to get a new one going. There should have been a deal on the table before LA schools left. That's the only thing I can see that could have been done differently...proactively...and it needed to be happening three years ago when LS was packing his parachute. It's really easy to sit here and opine about what shoulda, could been done years ago. Our reality happened a year ago with the first flight. Look, I'm not thrilled either, but I'm also not surprised. Anyone paying attention for the past few years has been watching the train wreck unfold in slow-motion. It was only a matter of time before some train in the P5 jumped the tracks. Trouble is, it turned out to be *our* train. George K. was busier badmouthing the conference and blaming Larry Scott rather than doing anything to fix the issues or make them better. He got tricked into the ACC-Big Ten Alliance. He ignored UCLA and USC and got blindsided by his "ally," the Big Ten. He lacked the backbone or brains to put the $500 million crowd in their place. He allowed the $300 million ESPN offer to expire without making any serious attempts to negotiate it, while boasting about how he would get more. He allowed the Big 12 to jump the Pac-12 in the negotiating line. George K. may not have been dealt a perfect hand, but he decided to split fives. He is a boob. He had no business being in the situation that he found himself. Larry Scott was revolutionary once upon a time. The first couple years of Larry Scott put the Pac-12 back on the map. It didn't last and was too much money for not enough action. However, if you are going to get rid of a Larry Scott, you have to replace him with someone who is as good or better. And the Pac-12 replaced Scott with a complete disaster. In politics, I have a personal rule to be wary of people that only identify problems without ever identifying solutions. Those kind of people will never make the situation better. And after seven months on the job, George K. struck me as that kind of person, someone who could see problems but could not fix anything. He was one of those glib SOBs that knows better than people who have been doing things for 10+ years. And, in the end, he did not, which was entirely unsurprising. George K. was a cheap, small potatoes guy, who was obviously a cheap, small potatoes guy and decimated the Pac-12. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 1, 2023 14:22:46 GMT -8
What would you have done and how would you have done it? Serious question. Once we lost the LA schools, and the biggest market in the PAC's portfolio, what would you have done? How would you have done it? How would you replace those schools with equal (media market) value, while maintaining a regional footprint? You don't. Plain and simple. A year ago it became clear that it was now every school for itself, and regions don't matter anymore out here. How dwould you have compelled schools to stay? We have all known, long before the LA schools bolted, that the game - football - was no longer about the schools but about the dollars. And we all know football drives the programs. So how do you come up with the replacement dollars and lost media market from a year ago? GK inherited a mess - this is true, and clearly the PAC - from the home office all the way to the campus boardrooms - were too late to the GOR game, thinking they had until the last year of the deal to get a new one going. There should have been a deal on the table before LA schools left. That's the only thing I can see that could have been done differently...proactively...and it needed to be happening three years ago when LS was packing his parachute. It's really easy to sit here and opine about what shoulda, could been done years ago. Our reality happened a year ago with the first flight. Look, I'm not thrilled either, but I'm also not surprised. Anyone paying attention for the past few years has been watching the train wreck unfold in slow-motion. It was only a matter of time before some train in the P5 jumped the tracks. Trouble is, it turned out to be *our* train. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 1, 2023 14:35:29 GMT -8
I'm crying no tears over the demise of the Pac-12.
Some of the factors that led to its doom are reasons I had no real love for the conference.
I hated the ivory tower nonsense of Cal and Stanford, the arrogance of USC (followed by UW and UO). Basically the California schools in general.
My only real concern is where the Beavers will land.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 20:17:43 GMT -8
What would you have done and how would you have done it? Serious question. Once we lost the LA schools, and the biggest market in the PAC's portfolio, what would you have done? How would you have done it? How would you replace those schools with equal (media market) value, while maintaining a regional footprint? You don't. Plain and simple. A year ago it became clear that it was now every school for itself, and regions don't matter anymore out here. How dwould you have compelled schools to stay? We have all known, long before the LA schools bolted, that the game - football - was no longer about the schools but about the dollars. And we all know football drives the programs. So how do you come up with the replacement dollars and lost media market from a year ago? GK inherited a mess - this is true, and clearly the PAC - from the home office all the way to the campus boardrooms - were too late to the GOR game, thinking they had until the last year of the deal to get a new one going. There should have been a deal on the table before LA schools left. That's the only thing I can see that could have been done differently...proactively...and it needed to be happening three years ago when LS was packing his parachute. It's really easy to sit here and opine about what shoulda, could been done years ago. Our reality happened a year ago with the first flight. Look, I'm not thrilled either, but I'm also not surprised. Anyone paying attention for the past few years has been watching the train wreck unfold in slow-motion. It was only a matter of time before some train in the P5 jumped the tracks. Trouble is, it turned out to be *our* train. What we are seeing is the final stages of the corporate takeover of colleges and universities. There is a reason that increases in the cost of a university education continued to rise as computerization decreased the cost of the operation of our universities. Since 2000 corporate America has been transferring the cost of R&D to publicly-financed universities. Similarly, professional sports has turned college sports into their minor leagues. That started fifty years ago. Back then pro baseball had minor league teams at the AAA, AA, A, B, C, D, and Rookie levels whereas now it's AAA, AA, A, A-, Rookie. Universities have taken over thoe lower training leagues with ZERO compensation from MLB. MBB? Eligible after one season. Football? Eligible after three. They don't pay for the facilities, coaching, or travel costs. What we are seeing now is the full extent of this process with no excuses, h&ll not even an attempt to disguise the process or even deny they're doing it. Ten years from now -- if that -- the taxpayers will bear the costs of all semi-pro training systems, perhaps even see the beginning of full public financing of the operational costs of professional sports. |
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Post by fishwrapper on Sept 1, 2023 20:24:30 GMT -8
Makes sense - they already have us paying for their venues...
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Sept 1, 2023 20:25:05 GMT -8
What would you have done and how would you have done it? Serious question. Once we lost the LA schools, and the biggest market in the PAC's portfolio, what would you have done? How would you have done it? How would you replace those schools with equal (media market) value, while maintaining a regional footprint? You don't. Plain and simple. A year ago it became clear that it was now every school for itself, and regions don't matter anymore out here. How dwould you have compelled schools to stay? We have all known, long before the LA schools bolted, that the game - football - was no longer about the schools but about the dollars. And we all know football drives the programs. So how do you come up with the replacement dollars and lost media market from a year ago? GK inherited a mess - this is true, and clearly the PAC - from the home office all the way to the campus boardrooms - were too late to the GOR game, thinking they had until the last year of the deal to get a new one going. There should have been a deal on the table before LA schools left. That's the only thing I can see that could have been done differently...proactively...and it needed to be happening three years ago when LS was packing his parachute. It's really easy to sit here and opine about what shoulda, could been done years ago. Our reality happened a year ago with the first flight. Look, I'm not thrilled either, but I'm also not surprised. Anyone paying attention for the past few years has been watching the train wreck unfold in slow-motion. It was only a matter of time before some train in the P5 jumped the tracks. Trouble is, it turned out to be *our* train. George K. was busier badmouthing the conference and blaming Larry Scott rather than doing anything to fix the issues or make them better. He got tricked into the ACC-Big Ten Alliance. He ignored UCLA and USC and got blindsided by his "ally," the Big Ten. He lacked the backbone or brains to put the $500 million crowd in their place. He allowed the $300 million ESPN offer to expire without making any serious attempts to negotiate it, while boasting about how he would get more. He allowed the Big 12 to jump the Pac-12 in the negotiating line. George K. may not have been dealt a perfect hand, but he decided to split fives. He is a boob. He had no business being in the situation that he found himself. Larry Scott was revolutionary once upon a time. The first couple years of Larry Scott put the Pac-12 back on the map. It didn't last and was too much money for not enough action. However, if you are going to get rid of a Larry Scott, you have to replace him with someone who is as good or better. And the Pac-12 replaced Scott with a complete disaster. In politics, I have a personal rule to be wary of people that only identify problems without ever identifying solutions. Those kind of people will never make the situation better. And after seven months on the job, George K. struck me as that kind of person, someone who could see problems but could not fix anything. He was one of those glib SOBs that knows better than people who have been doing things for 10+ years. And, in the end, he did not, which was entirely unsurprising. George K. was a cheap, small potatoes guy, who was obviously a cheap, small potatoes guy and decimated the Pac-12. George K. strikes me as a carpetbagger, and I know what you mean when you say "cheap", but he was not cheap to the Pac-12 for what the conference got from him. "George Kliavkoff took over as the PAC 12 commissioner on July 1, 2021 and received just over $1.8 million for the rest of the year." (per this source). Note the same source says LS made 4 mil for the first 6 months of 2021, thanks to a generous severance payment. Every month GK mucked about was a month where he was padding his retirement stash to the tune of 3.6M per year. He just "hung in there" as long as he could and laughed all the way to the bank, while assuring the asleep-at-the-wheel university leaders that he had things under control. Great work if you can get it, and all I can hope is the MWC commish who is ex-Pac-12 can help right the ship. And GK is still employed remarkably, and he told reporters at the CFP meeting his focus was on "winning the Pac-12 a championship". Sigh. |
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