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Post by beavaristotle on Aug 29, 2023 6:52:00 GMT -8
By the student athletes. Form a western conference with new regional rivalries and reasonable travel for all the sports, instead of chasing the money like a 10 dollar whore. It could eventually become a recruiting strength with future recruits and their parents. It could actually strengthen the non revenue sports over time. I don’t think people comprehend what the travel in these new alignment are going to do to the student athletes physical and mental health. History might look back and say we did the right thing , kept our perspective, didn’t chase the money and still prospered.
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Post by hometownbeaver on Aug 29, 2023 7:48:47 GMT -8
That's the likely outcome but it comes at a high cost. We will likely shed a level of talent in all sports from coaching to athletes. Keeping a head coach is one thing but how can we keep quality assistant coaches with a hugely reduced budget.
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Post by irimi on Aug 29, 2023 8:01:29 GMT -8
“Right” can be considered putting the athletes in a position to excel against the best athletes in the country. Which we had. Anything short of that hurts OSU. Which is why Stanford is trying so hard to get in somewhere.
Rebuilding the Pac is my preferred response, but it’s a risk.
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 29, 2023 8:19:27 GMT -8
“Right” can be considered putting the athletes in a position to excel against the best athletes in the country. Which we had. Anything short of that hurts OSU. Which is why Stanford is trying so hard to get in somewhere. Rebuilding the Pac is my preferred response, but it’s a risk. Which is why some have suggested, if only two of us remain, to take the retains/ assets, rebuild the Pac with an initial reduced budget of a mix of streaming (Apple) and some linear/ legacy media, then put out an exciting version of football - and the revenue with future eyeballs will be there.
Exciting would be the type and style of football, and hopefully not consistently lopsided games. Network executives know that when the score is lopsided early on, eyeballs go away. Unless you are Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, etc |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 29, 2023 8:23:10 GMT -8
"Right" is being decided for us.....we can spin it anyway we want to make us feel better about it.....there really isn't another choice.
I'm coming around on a MW merger to rebuild the "PAC"......as long as there is still a path to the CFP.....if the fat cats take that away, I will find it hard to put much into it. Also not really interested in being a farm league for the next tier....with unregulated NIL may be what happens
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 29, 2023 8:29:29 GMT -8
I'm still hoping this whole re-alignment thing fails, and we get back to a regional conferences. Might be a long shot, but nothing in this world surprises me anymore.
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Post by beavaristotle on Aug 29, 2023 8:44:18 GMT -8
That's the likely outcome but it comes at a high cost. We will likely shed a level of talent in all sports from coaching to athletes. Keeping a head coach is one thing but how can we keep quality assistant coaches with a hugely reduced budget. you are right about losing talent and coaches in the revenue sports. If I’ m a baseball player at usc or ucla I am looking for a place to play that keeps me out of Lincoln or East Lansing in February and March. even at a lower level I watch North Dakota State win a national championship every year and they celebrate. No one looks around and says we didn’t win the CFP |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 29, 2023 8:52:05 GMT -8
That's the likely outcome but it comes at a high cost. We will likely shed a level of talent in all sports from coaching to athletes. Keeping a head coach is one thing but how can we keep quality assistant coaches with a hugely reduced budget. you are right about losing talent and coaches in the revenue sports. If I’ m a baseball player at usc or ucla I am looking for a place to play that keeps me out of Lincoln or East Lansing in February and March. even at a lower level I watch North Dakota State win a national championship every year and they celebrate. No one looks around and says we didn’t win the CFP Maybe, but maybe if those baseball players are put on chartered planes they won't really think Lincoln and East Lansing are all that different from Corvallis and Pullman. Unfortunately, I think the players are going to adapt and enjoy the experience alot more then people think. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 29, 2023 8:55:32 GMT -8
“Right” can be considered putting the athletes in a position to excel against the best athletes in the country. Which we had. Anything short of that hurts OSU. Which is why Stanford is trying so hard to get in somewhere. Rebuilding the Pac is my preferred response, but it’s a risk. Just curious - which schools are in your rebuilt Pac? I just don't see a scenario where it's nothing more than some Mtn West teams and a couple of other leftovers and we end up with a brutal media deal. |
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Post by sparty on Aug 29, 2023 8:59:57 GMT -8
“Right” can be considered putting the athletes in a position to excel against the best athletes in the country. Which we had. Anything short of that hurts OSU. Which is why Stanford is trying so hard to get in somewhere. Rebuilding the Pac is my preferred response, but it’s a risk. Just curious - which schools are in your rebuilt Pac? I just don't see a scenario where it's nothing more than some Mtn West teams and a couple of other leftovers and we end up with a brutal media deal. When people start being realistic then we will know what a rebuilt conference would look like. We could ask Notre Dame if they would join? |
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Post by irimi on Aug 29, 2023 10:26:21 GMT -8
“Right” can be considered putting the athletes in a position to excel against the best athletes in the country. Which we had. Anything short of that hurts OSU. Which is why Stanford is trying so hard to get in somewhere. Rebuilding the Pac is my preferred response, but it’s a risk. Just curious - which schools are in your rebuilt Pac? I just don't see a scenario where it's nothing more than some Mtn West teams and a couple of other leftovers and we end up with a brutal media deal. Honestly, I'm not deep enough into the specifics of realignment to have a clear idea of which teams can/should/would join us in the revamped PacX. But I know that I'd like to keep Stanford and Cal. And add at least two more California teams. There are several California schools with a student body of about 40,000, which translates (or can translate) into viewers and future viewers. I feel we should raid as we have been raided. Don't worry about the future of the other conferences. Get the best available schools and stand strong. Perhaps some of that leftover cash can help pay schools to leave their conference. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 29, 2023 10:35:26 GMT -8
That's the likely outcome but it comes at a high cost. We will likely shed a level of talent in all sports from coaching to athletes. Keeping a head coach is one thing but how can we keep quality assistant coaches with a hugely reduced budget. you are right about losing talent and coaches in the revenue sports. If I’ m a baseball player at usc or ucla I am looking for a place to play that keeps me out of Lincoln or East Lansing in February and March. even at a lower level I watch North Dakota State win a national championship every year and they celebrate. No one looks around and says we didn’t win the CFP The B1G baseball teams play down south in the early spring, just like we do |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 29, 2023 10:43:44 GMT -8
“Right” can be considered putting the athletes in a position to excel against the best athletes in the country. Which we had. Anything short of that hurts OSU. Which is why Stanford is trying so hard to get in somewhere. Rebuilding the Pac is my preferred response, but it’s a risk. Just curious - which schools are in your rebuilt Pac? I just don't see a scenario where it's nothing more than some Mtn West teams and a couple of other leftovers and we end up with a brutal media deal. I think that all depends upon the media partner. If Apple were to enter the fray, the base deal for sure would be much lower than what they offered the PAC-10. Maybe only $10 million per school at best? But the incentives clause for subscriptions is the beauty of that deal. Because it no longer requires eyes on sets to move the needle. I stated this in a different thread at one point, but if we get an incentive ladder type of deal, push it everywhere. Bundle it as part of an alumni option. Add it to students' accounts who enroll. Offer to pay 25% of the cost (because we'd still get 25% of the revenue after paying Apple's share) after the initial sales die down. Do whatever it takes to get people to subscribe. Then when you have enough of a mass, you can have those casual channel-flippers who see OSU is playing and tune in for a few minutes and maybe make a new fan? Hitting the 1 million mark with subscribers was supposed to put the PAC-10 at the same level as the Big12. That would mean an increase of around $5-$8 million per school at 10 schools... let's say it's $8, to be generous, but you end up with an 18 team league (some MWC + some AAC)...you're now at $14-$15 million for Tier 1. Every million additional subscribers pushes it up that same amount. If you get to 2 million, you could quite possibly break $20 million overall. (and with an East/West or North/South division and limited cross-division play, travel isn't really an issue). In this arrangement, however, you'd want schools near larger cities where the untapped market is larger. That's why it's a shame to lose SMUt to the ACC. They could have a couple of big years and get bandwagon fans in Dallas. UTSA would be another good choice or maybe even Fresno (Sacramento expansion possible although unlikely) and CSU for Denver. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 29, 2023 10:55:56 GMT -8
“Right” can be considered putting the athletes in a position to excel against the best athletes in the country. Which we had. Anything short of that hurts OSU. Which is why Stanford is trying so hard to get in somewhere. Rebuilding the Pac is my preferred response, but it’s a risk. Just curious - which schools are in your rebuilt Pac? I just don't see a scenario where it's nothing more than some Mtn West teams and a couple of other leftovers and we end up with a brutal media deal. Odds are that IF we were to go to the Big 12, we would be getting a very brutal deal rather than the rumored 31.7 mil a year others are getting. Cal and Stanford have already gone on record with ESPN that they will essentially play for 0 dollars- unfortunately that kind of sets the bar for "PAC 12 leftovers". We'll probably do better than zero, but I'd be surprised if it's much over 20 mil, and not shocked if it's closer to 15. At which point, an Apple deal and staying closer to home potentially could be fairly attractive. The other thing I see, is that there seems to be people who think the SDSU's, BSU's, Fresno State's, CSU's and such have reached their absolute maximum potential on their 4 million buck media budgets. Somehow, OSU as a university is seemingly so much better than all the G5 universities, and that'll never change, and neither will their sports teams. Afterall, no foreign basketball team could ever come close to playing anything but embarrassing ball against any team with NBA players. People thought that. I don't think the rumored Apple deal is guaranteed to be a lost cause. I don't think it's a given we'd be getting significantly less by rebuilding the league at this point. Less than what the Presidents turned down, yes, but not necessarily less than what a Power 4 league is going to offer us now. I also don't think the formerly G5 schools won't increase investment in their sports programs with an increased media payout. It ain't over til it's over. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 29, 2023 11:16:32 GMT -8
That's the likely outcome but it comes at a high cost. We will likely shed a level of talent in all sports from coaching to athletes. Keeping a head coach is one thing but how can we keep quality assistant coaches with a hugely reduced budget. you are right about losing talent and coaches in the revenue sports. If I’ m a baseball player at usc or ucla I am looking for a place to play that keeps me out of Lincoln or East Lansing in February and March. even at a lower level I watch North Dakota State win a national championship every year and they celebrate. No one looks around and says we didn’t win the CFP The entire thought process of "losing" talent and coaches is a complete fabrication painted as a "likely outcome". I'll paint a completely different outcome in that our current recruiting (let's take football... especially MBB) is below par for the Pac12. And, recruiting/talent levels are relative to the the talent you play against, so could actually improve. Plus, OSU can not get into a financial battle vs other NIL entities. That will not be a factor in a revamped Pac/MWC. In that train of thought in a revamped Pac12/MWC OSU could recruit at it's current level and be at the top of the league in acquiring/developing talent. There are PLENTY of 3*/lower 4* players available who want to get better, play regularly and that includes those that will leave through the portal. Once this current realignment takes hold, those lower echelon teams will lose more players to the portal who are tired playing on teams getting killed. Or not playing much at all at the elite schools. As far as losing coaches... funny, that's a possibility at EVERY level. OSU in ANY conference will not have the financial wherewithal to retain coaches offered big money. Those that think going to say, the B12, is the answer... so, OSU has a better chance to keep coaches if they are successful there?? As for coaches choosing to leave because OSU is no longer in a P5 conference... yeah, don't let the door hit ya too hard on the way out!! There are talented coaches at every level of college football. Coaches/staffs tend to lose their "luster" in one place after so long and change is inevitable. JS isn't going to be at OSU forever... or maybe he'll finish his career here?! But, there are a ton of great coaching candidates out there and while your staff is under contract they aren't even in the top 2-3 concerns right now. If you don't find a way to rebuild the conference and have access to those extra funds OSU is really looking at huge issues. I do find the recent mentality on this board interesting. More often than not orange goggles dominate the discussions on programs and their upcoming seasons, and player contributions. At a critical juncture in OSU athletics the commentary is dominated by a complete 180. It is doom and gloom, the decimation of recruiting, coaches bailing, etc. Add to that, many of the conversations center on how ridiculous (for many reasons) it is for other schools to chase the money (even partial media shares) when the student athlete is the one to really suffer. Yet, some hold out for exactly that... that OSU will somehow be better off being an unwanted member, taking a partial share (pity handout) because it's a P5 conference? And, even better some of these posters already biotch and moan about the lack of respect the Pac12 showed OSU... we're always getting screwed somehow. Yet, being the last kid picked, with minimal financial respect it will be different as the newcomer?? I'll take the unrealistic orange goggles every time! |
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