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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 27, 2023 13:30:38 GMT -8
Even if both teams are 2 - 9 going into Thanksgiving weekend, the traditional rivalry game has been tremendously important to both schools. It binds the current students to the legacy of what and who preceded them. The memories of those games come to mind for alums and renew their ties to their university - "I remember my freshman year when Ken Simonton ran it into the end zone in overtime . . ." That type of thing. Ducks have those memories too. What the University of Oregon has done is to tell their alums that building new great memories and reinforcing old ones will not matter after this year. Rather, they should gather over drinks and dinner with their classmates and friends, and reminisce, "I remember my junior year when we increased athletic department revenue by $20 million . . ." Somehow, that's not quite going to provide the same staying power. It is truly despicable what the University of Oregon has done, but do it they have. With few exceptions, the great rivalries in college sports have been within the conference, and often were a pivotal event in forming the conference itself. Now it has been thrown in the garbage with the table scraps from the holiday feast. It's just sickening, but I am in agreement with most of you that, at this time, we should reject any offer from Eugene to schedule a home and home OOC series. It should be the most important conference game of the year, complete with all the pageantry and excitement that went with it for our entire lifetimes, or it should not exist at all. "Le mieux est le mortel ennemi du bien."--Montesquieu. The perfect is the enemy of the good. (Literally the best is the mortal enemy of the good.) This not zero sum. Or some pretend moral high ground BS, which you hear political hacks throw around all the time. Mostly good is better than not good at all. When the situation demands compromise, you compromise. It doesn't matter, who is right and who is wrong. It is what provides the university with the best path forward. You don't just keep fighting the Revolutionary War or the War of 1812, until England is part of the United States. You don't keep fighting Spain until you have all of their colonies around the globe. You negotiate, you compromise, you get the best deal possible, and you move forward. |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 28, 2023 15:12:56 GMT -8
In what way is the Civil War valuable? Like the Rose Bowl was valuable? Like the Apple Cup was valuable? Tradition dies. Let it go. Don't try to keep it going on life support. I suppose, like USC and Notre Dame, the rivalry game could still happen even if we are in different conferences, but why? What would it mean? An out of conference game late in the year isn't exactly good for either team, especially the Beavs who still need those three games early to get ready for the year. Valuable as in, first, monetarily valuable. The Rose Bowl was valuable but less valuable than the CFP monetarily. And the Rose Bowl is a great cautionary tale. The Pac-12 allowed the tradition of the Rose Bowl to be demeaned and destroyed, until it was worthless. And it was (apparently) the only thing that stopped the other conferences from raiding and destroying the Pac-12. The loss of the meaning and inherent value of the Rose Bowl undermined the very meaning and inherent value of the Pac-12 conference.Tradition is tradition. It also has inherent value, which is even greater than monetary value. I'll keep tradition on life support until it's well enough to climb out of bed. Just like the Pac-12 was worth less without the tradition of the Rose Bowl, Oregon State is worth less without the tradition of the Civil War. Demeaning and devaluing the Civil War demeans and devalues Oregon State. Reminds me of the political cartoon of Hitler with an ax and a turkey as Poland. And Hitler said that all he wanted was one little piece, gesturing at the neck of the turkey. The Civil War rivalry is something like the neck of Oregon State. We may lose it, but we should do what we can to keep the Civil War as intact as possible. That is a very interesting take that I had never considered or heard previously. Makes sense. |
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Post by beaverdreams on Aug 28, 2023 15:55:44 GMT -8
Agreed. Those of us on west coast knew the Rose Bowl was special. It just KILLED the east coast TV big wigs that the Pac-10 and Big-10 had a stranglehold on the 'Granddaddy of them all'. In order to talk us out of it, they made a case that a 'playoff' was necessary...even though we knew down deep we had a good thing that never needed fixing, at least from our perspective. But they pulled one over on the majority of fans, amazingly even some PAC-10/12 fans that somehow the Rose Bowl wasn't enough. The day they got their greedy pork chop fingered TV hands on THAT, the result was inevitable.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 28, 2023 16:27:21 GMT -8
Agreed. Those of us on west coast knew the Rose Bowl was special. It just KILLED the east coast TV big wigs that the Pac-10 and Big-10 had a stranglehold on the 'Granddaddy of them all'. In order to talk us out of it, they made a case that a 'playoff' was necessary...even though we knew down deep we had a good thing that never needed fixing, at least from our perspective. But they pulled one over on the majority of fans, amazingly even some PAC-10/12 fans that somehow the Rose Bowl wasn't enough. The day they got their greedy pork chop fingered TV hands on THAT, the result was inevitable. Sort of... kind of... But, the RB and the status thereof isn't a Pac12 or fan based issue. The RB is controlled by an outside board directors. The city of Pasadena and those folks quickly sold out to the CFP. |
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Post by hometownbeaver on Aug 28, 2023 19:12:32 GMT -8
In what way is the Civil War valuable? Like the Rose Bowl was valuable? Like the Apple Cup was valuable? Tradition dies. Let it go. Don't try to keep it going on life support. I suppose, like USC and Notre Dame, the rivalry game could still happen even if we are in different conferences, but why? What would it mean? An out of conference game late in the year isn't exactly good for either team, especially the Beavs who still need those three games early to get ready for the year. Valuable as in, first, monetarily valuable. The Rose Bowl was valuable but less valuable than the CFP monetarily. And the Rose Bowl is a great cautionary tale. The Pac-12 allowed the tradition of the Rose Bowl to be demeaned and destroyed, until it was worthless. And it was (apparently) the only thing that stopped the other conferences from raiding and destroying the Pac-12. The loss of the meaning and inherent value of the Rose Bowl undermined the very meaning and inherent value of the Pac-12 conference. Tradition is tradition. It also has inherent value, which is even greater than monetary value. I'll keep tradition on life support until it's well enough to climb out of bed. Just like the Pac-12 was worth less without the tradition of the Rose Bowl, Oregon State is worth less without the tradition of the Civil War. Demeaning and devaluing the Civil War demeans and devalues Oregon State. Reminds me of the political cartoon of Hitler with an ax and a turkey as Poland. And Hitler said that all he wanted was one little piece, gesturing at the neck of the turkey. The Civil War rivalry is something like the neck of Oregon State. We may lose it, but we should do what we can to keep the Civil War as intact as possible. Getting divorced sucked but I don't celebrate our old anniversary. The ducks made their choice at this point there is little we can do but to bend over for UofO in the name of tradition? I'd sooner see OSU resign from the majority of sports then continue to play Oregon in any of them. Sorry not sorry |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 28, 2023 20:27:07 GMT -8
Agreed. Those of us on west coast knew the Rose Bowl was special. It just KILLED the east coast TV big wigs that the Pac-10 and Big-10 had a stranglehold on the 'Granddaddy of them all'. In order to talk us out of it, they made a case that a 'playoff' was necessary...even though we knew down deep we had a good thing that never needed fixing, at least from our perspective. But they pulled one over on the majority of fans, amazingly even some PAC-10/12 fans that somehow the Rose Bowl wasn't enough. The day they got their greedy pork chop fingered TV hands on THAT, the result was inevitable. Sort of... kind of... But, the RB and the status thereof isn't a Pac12 or fan based issue. The RB is controlled by an outside board directors. The city of Pasadena and those folks quickly sold out to the CFP. But they needed a majority of the Pac-12 to go along. Once the BCS died with the Pac-12's help, the Pac-12's days were never. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 28, 2023 20:37:59 GMT -8
Valuable as in, first, monetarily valuable. The Rose Bowl was valuable but less valuable than the CFP monetarily. And the Rose Bowl is a great cautionary tale. The Pac-12 allowed the tradition of the Rose Bowl to be demeaned and destroyed, until it was worthless. And it was (apparently) the only thing that stopped the other conferences from raiding and destroying the Pac-12. The loss of the meaning and inherent value of the Rose Bowl undermined the very meaning and inherent value of the Pac-12 conference.Tradition is tradition. It also has inherent value, which is even greater than monetary value. I'll keep tradition on life support until it's well enough to climb out of bed. Just like the Pac-12 was worth less without the tradition of the Rose Bowl, Oregon State is worth less without the tradition of the Civil War. Demeaning and devaluing the Civil War demeans and devalues Oregon State. Reminds me of the political cartoon of Hitler with an ax and a turkey as Poland. And Hitler said that all he wanted was one little piece, gesturing at the neck of the turkey. The Civil War rivalry is something like the neck of Oregon State. We may lose it, but we should do what we can to keep the Civil War as intact as possible. That is a very interesting take that I had never considered or heard previously. Makes sense. I was listening or reading an interview of one of some bigwig Big Ten guy who pulled the trigger on inviting UCLA and USC, and a question was asked about the Big Ten-Pac-12 rivalry. And the answer basically was that the Rose Bowl was special once upon a time but that the CFP had basically turned it into what amounted to a Consolation Game for teams like Iowa, Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 28, 2023 21:23:23 GMT -8
That is a very interesting take that I had never considered or heard previously. Makes sense. I was listening or reading an interview of one of some bigwig Big Ten guy who pulled the trigger on inviting UCLA and USC, and a question was asked about the Big Ten-Pac-12 rivalry. And the answer basically was that the Rose Bowl was special once upon a time but that the CFP had basically turned it into what amounted to a Consolation Game for teams like Iowa, Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin. Sounds like a Michigan guy. Lol |
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