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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 26, 2023 13:09:09 GMT -8
No problem taking a pile of money to embarrass them in Reser Sure......but u know they will only want to play at autzen Then fluckem |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 26, 2023 17:04:27 GMT -8
I believe the O'live sources that OSU is miffed and CW unlikely to resume after '23 for some time. Plus Oregon has zero control over its empty dates. And, if the B12 thing has legs, they'd not care about some CW game with a B10 team. Oregon's schedule is far more booked. Unless things change (like a 13th week is added or someone backs out), Oregon is booked solid in nonconference play until 2029. They money involved in a potential nonconference Civil War, though, may make buyouts worth it. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 26, 2023 20:42:13 GMT -8
I believe the O'live sources that OSU is miffed and CW unlikely to resume after '23 for some time. Plus Oregon has zero control over its empty dates. And, if the B12 thing has legs, they'd not care about some CW game with a B10 team. Oregon's schedule is far more booked. Unless things change (like a 13th week is added or someone backs out), Oregon is booked solid in nonconference play until 2029. They money involved in a potential nonconference Civil War, though, may make buyouts worth it. Yeah, if it helps them save face with the people of Oregon. Schedules can be changed. But I hope not. If we aren’t in the same league, I have no interest in keeping the game artificially alive. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 26, 2023 22:00:23 GMT -8
Oregon's schedule is far more booked. Unless things change (like a 13th week is added or someone backs out), Oregon is booked solid in nonconference play until 2029. They money involved in a potential nonconference Civil War, though, may make buyouts worth it. Yeah, if it helps them save face with the people of Oregon. Schedules can be changed. But I hope not. If we aren’t in the same league, I have no interest in keeping the game artificially alive. Artificial series? Like Army-Navy? Or Georgia-Georgia Tech? Or New Mexico-New Mexico State? Or the Palmetto Bowl (Clemson-South Carolina)? Or Holy War (BYU-Utah)? Before Yorktown, there was the two Battles of Savannah. Before New Orleans, Washington burned to the ground. Before Appomattox, there was Chancellorsville. Before V-J Day, there was Pearl Harbor. Few people get to experience an unending string of victories. Bright tomorrows are almost always built on many, many dark nights of sacrifice and hard work. We are the 11th most-desirable team in a 12-team conference and everyone becomes a petulant child. This is evolution in action. Survive the cataclysm, adapt, improve, and survive. Or piss, moan, and die. The Civil War is far too valuable to voluntarily give up because of self-defeating, vindictive pettiness. Don't like Oregon? Great! Join the freaking club. You win on the field, not by hiding and throwing a tantrum. Support Oregon State. Go to all the road games. Give what you can. Dark days behind us. Bright tomorrows ahead. |
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Post by aggielarry on Aug 26, 2023 22:40:18 GMT -8
The Battle of the Brothers (USU vs Utah) was first played in 1892. It was played 112 times. It was one of the oldest, longest running rivalries in all of college football. It even continued after Utah cut USU out of the formation of the WAC and then the MWC. It was last played in 2015. Utah went into the PAC, and the series died.
I hate to tell you, but the Civil War is probably dead. The powers that be don't give a rat's backside about rivalries or tradition.
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 26, 2023 22:44:55 GMT -8
The Battle of the Brothers (USU vs Utah) was first played in 1892. It was played 112 times. It was one of the oldest, longest running rivalries in all of college football. It even continued after Utah cut USU out of the formation of the WAC and then the MWC. It was last played in 2015. Utah went into the PAC, and the series died. I hate to tell you, but the Civil War is probably dead. The powers that be don't give a rat's backside about rivalries or tradition. I tend to agree. I think OSU v uo Civil War FB series is likely dead after 2023. Life goes on. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 27, 2023 7:08:48 GMT -8
Yeah, if it helps them save face with the people of Oregon. Schedules can be changed. But I hope not. If we aren’t in the same league, I have no interest in keeping the game artificially alive. Artificial series? Like Army-Navy? Or Georgia-Georgia Tech? Or New Mexico-New Mexico State? Or the Palmetto Bowl (Clemson-South Carolina)? Or Holy War (BYU-Utah)? Before Yorktown, there was the two Battles of Savannah. Before New Orleans, Washington burned to the ground. Before Appomattox, there was Chancellorsville. Before V-J Day, there was Pearl Harbor. Few people get to experience an unending string of victories. Bright tomorrows are almost always built on many, many dark nights of sacrifice and hard work. We are the 11th most-desirable team in a 12-team conference and everyone becomes a petulant child. This is evolution in action. Survive the cataclysm, adapt, improve, and survive. Or piss, moan, and die. The Civil War is far too valuable to voluntarily give up because of self-defeating, vindictive pettiness. Don't like Oregon? Great! Join the freaking club. You win on the field, not by hiding and throwing a tantrum. Support Oregon State. Go to all the road games. Give what you can. Dark days behind us. Bright tomorrows ahead. In what way is the Civil War valuable? Like the Rose Bowl was valuable? Like the Apple Cup was valuable? Tradition dies. Let it go. Don't try to keep it going on life support. I suppose, like USC and Notre Dame, the rivalry game could still happen even if we are in different conferences, but why? What would it mean? An out of conference game late in the year isn't exactly good for either team, especially the Beavs who still need those three games early to get ready for the year. |
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Post by grackle on Aug 27, 2023 7:34:01 GMT -8
Well...It'll be interesting to hear what the "experts" at Gameday have to say in a year or two.... Just wait until people begin to realize that ESPN and Fox $$$ has ruined the rivalries and traditions that made CFB so popular, and turned it into a featureless junior version of the NFL.
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Post by korculabeav on Aug 27, 2023 7:46:00 GMT -8
CW is already dead in name. Better just let it die given the circumstances. Red River Shootout died for similar reasons. Hasn’t come back since.
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 27, 2023 8:10:32 GMT -8
And what is sad and funny at the same time, with all of the transplants that have moved to Oregon in the past 20-30 years, the value and tradition has been watered down by infilling. It used to be a great rivalry, because both schools were basically on the same level, and then Uncle Phil happened, bandwagon fans happened, infilling happened, etc. Trying to kill the CW name was just the first salvo, this is the final nail. Given time to think and adjust - good riddance! I mean, where will we ever find an opponent who will be as entitled and obnoxious as a hole fan? Go ask BYU what they think of Oregon, or just about any other team in what was the Pac12.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 27, 2023 10:50:49 GMT -8
Artificial series? Like Army-Navy? Or Georgia-Georgia Tech? Or New Mexico-New Mexico State? Or the Palmetto Bowl (Clemson-South Carolina)? Or Holy War (BYU-Utah)? Before Yorktown, there was the two Battles of Savannah. Before New Orleans, Washington burned to the ground. Before Appomattox, there was Chancellorsville. Before V-J Day, there was Pearl Harbor. Few people get to experience an unending string of victories. Bright tomorrows are almost always built on many, many dark nights of sacrifice and hard work. We are the 11th most-desirable team in a 12-team conference and everyone becomes a petulant child. This is evolution in action. Survive the cataclysm, adapt, improve, and survive. Or piss, moan, and die. The Civil War is far too valuable to voluntarily give up because of self-defeating, vindictive pettiness. Don't like Oregon? Great! Join the freaking club. You win on the field, not by hiding and throwing a tantrum. Support Oregon State. Go to all the road games. Give what you can. Dark days behind us. Bright tomorrows ahead. In what way is the Civil War valuable? Like the Rose Bowl was valuable? Like the Apple Cup was valuable? Tradition dies. Let it go. Don't try to keep it going on life support. I suppose, like USC and Notre Dame, the rivalry game could still happen even if we are in different conferences, but why? What would it mean? An out of conference game late in the year isn't exactly good for either team, especially the Beavs who still need those three games early to get ready for the year. Valuable as in, first, monetarily valuable. The Rose Bowl was valuable but less valuable than the CFP monetarily. And the Rose Bowl is a great cautionary tale. The Pac-12 allowed the tradition of the Rose Bowl to be demeaned and destroyed, until it was worthless. And it was (apparently) the only thing that stopped the other conferences from raiding and destroying the Pac-12. The loss of the meaning and inherent value of the Rose Bowl undermined the very meaning and inherent value of the Pac-12 conference. Tradition is tradition. It also has inherent value, which is even greater than monetary value. I'll keep tradition on life support until it's well enough to climb out of bed. Just like the Pac-12 was worth less without the tradition of the Rose Bowl, Oregon State is worth less without the tradition of the Civil War. Demeaning and devaluing the Civil War demeans and devalues Oregon State. Reminds me of the political cartoon of Hitler with an ax and a turkey as Poland. And Hitler said that all he wanted was one little piece, gesturing at the neck of the turkey. The Civil War rivalry is something like the neck of Oregon State. We may lose it, but we should do what we can to keep the Civil War as intact as possible. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 27, 2023 11:12:21 GMT -8
The Battle of the Brothers (USU vs Utah) was first played in 1892. It was played 112 times. It was one of the oldest, longest running rivalries in all of college football. It even continued after Utah cut USU out of the formation of the WAC and then the MWC. It was last played in 2015. Utah went into the PAC, and the series died. I hate to tell you, but the Civil War is probably dead. The powers that be don't give a rat's backside about rivalries or tradition. I sure hope it's dead. We need to move on. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 27, 2023 11:19:16 GMT -8
Yeah, if it helps them save face with the people of Oregon. Schedules can be changed. But I hope not. If we aren’t in the same league, I have no interest in keeping the game artificially alive. Artificial series? Like Army-Navy? Or Georgia-Georgia Tech? Or New Mexico-New Mexico State? Or the Palmetto Bowl (Clemson-South Carolina)? Or Holy War (BYU-Utah)? Before Yorktown, there was the two Battles of Savannah. Before New Orleans, Washington burned to the ground. Before Appomattox, there was Chancellorsville. Before V-J Day, there was Pearl Harbor. Few people get to experience an unending string of victories. Bright tomorrows are almost always built on many, many dark nights of sacrifice and hard work. We are the 11th most-desirable team in a 12-team conference and everyone becomes a petulant child. This is evolution in action. Survive the cataclysm, adapt, improve, and survive. Or piss, moan, and die. The Civil War is far too valuable to voluntarily give up because of self-defeating, vindictive pettiness. Don't like Oregon? Great! Join the freaking club. You win on the field, not by hiding and throwing a tantrum. Support Oregon State. Go to all the road games. Give what you can. Dark days behind us. Bright tomorrows ahead. Amen brotha |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 27, 2023 11:33:35 GMT -8
In what way is the Civil War valuable? Like the Rose Bowl was valuable? Like the Apple Cup was valuable? Tradition dies. Let it go. Don't try to keep it going on life support. I suppose, like USC and Notre Dame, the rivalry game could still happen even if we are in different conferences, but why? What would it mean? An out of conference game late in the year isn't exactly good for either team, especially the Beavs who still need those three games early to get ready for the year. Valuable as in, first, monetarily valuable. The Rose Bowl was valuable but less valuable than the CFP monetarily. And the Rose Bowl is a great cautionary tale. The Pac-12 allowed the tradition of the Rose Bowl to be demeaned and destroyed, until it was worthless. And it was (apparently) the only thing that stopped the other conferences from raiding and destroying the Pac-12. The loss of the meaning and inherent value of the Rose Bowl undermined the very meaning and inherent value of the Pac-12 conference. Tradition is tradition. It also has inherent value, which is even greater than monetary value. I'll keep tradition on life support until it's well enough to climb out of bed. Just like the Pac-12 was worth less without the tradition of the Rose Bowl, Oregon State is worth less without the tradition of the Civil War. Demeaning and devaluing the Civil War demeans and devalues Oregon State. Reminds me of the political cartoon of Hitler with an ax and a turkey as Poland. And Hitler said that all he wanted was one little piece, gesturing at the neck of the turkey. The Civil War rivalry is something like the neck of Oregon State. We may lose it, but we should do what we can to keep the Civil War as intact as possible. "Tradition is tradition." |
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Post by bvrbooster on Aug 27, 2023 12:19:55 GMT -8
Even if both teams are 2 - 9 going into Thanksgiving weekend, the traditional rivalry game has been tremendously important to both schools. It binds the current students to the legacy of what and who preceded them. The memories of those games come to mind for alums and renew their ties to their university - "I remember my freshman year when Ken Simonton ran it into the end zone in overtime . . ." That type of thing.
Ducks have those memories too. What the University of Oregon has done is to tell their alums that building new great memories and reinforcing old ones will not matter after this year. Rather, they should gather over drinks and dinner with their classmates and friends, and reminisce, "I remember my junior year when we increased athletic department revenue by $20 million . . ."
Somehow, that's not quite going to provide the same staying power. It is truly despicable what the University of Oregon has done, but do it they have. With few exceptions, the great rivalries in college sports have been within the conference, and often were a pivotal event in forming the conference itself. Now it has been thrown in the garbage with the table scraps from the holiday feast.
It's just sickening, but I am in agreement with most of you that, at this time, we should reject any offer from Eugene to schedule a home and home OOC series. It should be the most important conference game of the year, complete with all the pageantry and excitement that went with it for our entire lifetimes, or it should not exist at all.
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