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Post by beaverphd on Aug 11, 2023 14:43:26 GMT -8
"2024 Baseball Returners" are up on the official website: link Surprises: Joey Mundt returning and Ruben Cedillo not listed
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Post by ricke71 on Aug 11, 2023 15:02:41 GMT -8
"2024 Baseball Returners" are up on the official website: link Surprises: Joey Mundt returning and Ruben Cedillo not listed Ruben may be considering an opportunity for more playing time. He hinted at that in a brief conversation in June. Well understood, considering possible/likely return of McDowell and Kasper (plus Turley...and ...?). Cedillo had a great summer, and would definitely be welcomed by any number of D-1 teams. He deserves a shot...somewhere.
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Post by ricke71 on Aug 11, 2023 15:23:06 GMT -8
With Lattery and Mundt (assuming healthy) added to Kmatz and the transfer additions, and the incoming Freshmen, the pitching staff should be up to PAC-11 standards.
Add in #1(?) 2024 MLB draft pick Bazzana...and Turley...McDowell...Kasper...Guerra...Caraway..and other solid Beavs: the FINAL PAC-11 season could be epic.
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Post by beaverphd on Aug 11, 2023 15:50:32 GMT -8
Yes the outfield will be crowded with McDowell, Kasper, Turley all returning starters and Reeder and Macias coming off good summers as the outfield rotation pieces.
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Post by cake on Aug 11, 2023 16:55:01 GMT -8
On paper, this will be the toughest ever Oregon State roster to make.
Other missing guy, Jabin Trosky? I would think he'd be listed?
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Post by orangeblood on Aug 11, 2023 17:45:37 GMT -8
I believe this 2024 roster of returnees is solely based on the 2023 official roster. Trosky was not on that roster, nor was Brandon Forrester
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 11, 2023 19:01:18 GMT -8
Mundt is not "healthy." He pitched in two games with the Knights. In one he threw more pitches to the backstop than to the strike zone.
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Post by ricke71 on Aug 12, 2023 8:19:37 GMT -8
What with the MLB draft (i.e Wilson), and competition from other universities, left handed pitchers have become a scarce item on the Beavs.
Beavs entered the 2023 season with just one returning LHP (Thorsteinson, 15 ip in 2022).
They appear to be set to enter the 2024 season with two returning LHP (Mejia and Keljo, a combined 47 ip in 2023), and (so far) no new LHP's.
On the 2018 team LHP's pitched nearly 1/2 of the total innings for the season (288 innings of 607 total innings).
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Post by easyheat on Aug 12, 2023 11:05:52 GMT -8
From observation, I think Beaver fans are far more concerned about left handed pitching than the Beaver coaches are.
It sure looks like which side a prospect throws from is not a major factor in the evaluation process at OSU.
LSU won a NC with Paul Skenes, Ty Floyd and Thatcher Hurd - not a lefty among them.
Think velo, spin and command - right or left.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 12, 2023 11:30:37 GMT -8
From observation, I think Beaver fans are far more concerned about left handed pitching than the Beaver coaches are. It sure looks like which side a prospect throws from is not a major factor in the evaluation process at OSU. LSU won a NC with Paul Skenes, Ty Floyd and Thatcher Hurd - not a lefty among them. Think velo, spin and command - right or left. I'm no expert at all but it seems like they just want a good mix of pitcher types. High velo killers for day to day, tricky contact guys for the SEC and always the hope of a location guy that can drive a nail at 90 ft. Left/right seems to be more of an MLB issue these days where margins for success are tighter.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 12, 2023 11:46:49 GMT -8
Leftys are a luxury, and OSU's staff would love to have the (6) LSU had. Only (4) pitched and the other two frosh are very highly rated. LSU's lefties contributed over 140 IP of their 612. They also provided (9) spot starts, one being a 6 shoutout IP vs UT in the CWS loser's bracket. Add another 4.2 IP of shut out relief in a must win vs Wake. With combined 14-8 record, and (7) of their (18) total saves the LHP staff was a huge part of LSU's season
To have (6) quality LHPs on your roster, with (4) being significant contributors is a huge plus and is definitely a part of the recruiting process. Because OSU lacks LHP, doesn't mean it is not a key component and one that the coaching staff considers as a major factor. In fact I'd guess if the staff had one spot with two equally talent pitchers, the LHP is the selection. For many reasons besides just the lack of LHP on staff.
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Post by easyheat on Aug 12, 2023 21:16:09 GMT -8
Oregon State might have been happy to have the LHP's LSU had, I can't speak to that. I do think they would have been ecstatic to have LSU's RHP's Skenes, Floyd and Heard.
Most college teams have a LHP or two that are valuable contributors - to an extent, we had that this year with our freshmen, Keljo and Mejia.
LHP's are certainly welcome but they are a rare commodity. In this year's MLB Draft there were six pitchers selected in the first round - Skenes, Lowder, Dollander, Meyer, Waldrop and Eldridge. Eldridge was the only southpaw. In most drafts or player rankings I look at, 80-85% of the pitchers are right handed.
In Perfect Games 2024 Class rankings, there are 5 LHP's ranked in the Top-50, which is a bumper crop. In order to recruit one of these 5, OSU would have had to beat LSU for Cam Caminitti, UCLA for Schoffelbein, TCU for Brassfield, Arizona for Russell and the uncommitted Bateman. Boston Bateman is 6'9" and will play basketball.
In the 2025 class there are six LHP ranked in the Top-50. None of the six are located in the west. The Beavers can recruit LHP's successfully but how many are are available that rank anywhere near a Zach Swanson, Adam Haight, Zach Edwards, Jake McKowen or Oscar Hyde. Do you compromise or go with the best prospect?
We had a highly rated Lefty committed this year and lost him in the draft. I agree with the notion that if we find one that checks the evaluation boxes, we will recruit him. My point is simply this; This fall we will welcome 10 new pitchers to OSU. All of them are right handed. In 2024 we will bring 9 new arms to Corvallis, 8 of them are right handed. In 2025, we have 8 pitchers committed, 7 are right handed. In 2026, we have 2 pitchers pledged and both are RHP. Two of the 26 pitchers in those 4 classes are left handed.
The questions I have are, 1) Based on those factual numbers, how important is it to this staff to recruit left-handed pitchers? It doesn't appear to be a priority. 2), I understand matchups, percentages, pitch shapes, etc. so what is it that is so important with these LHP's? A serious question that I'm hoping to have answered.
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Post by beaverinsider211 on Aug 13, 2023 1:52:16 GMT -8
This 2024 lineup has a chance to be special. Solid group of returners led by Bazzana, Turley, Guerra, etc. Now plug in arguably the best prep bat from the 2023 HS grad class in Trent Caraway. This years team shouldn’t have problems scoring runs. Just need the pitching to step up and should be a fun year!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 13, 2023 22:44:40 GMT -8
Oregon State might have been happy to have the LHP's LSU had, I can't speak to that. I do think they would have been ecstatic to have LSU's RHP's Skenes, Floyd and Heard. Most college teams have a LHP or two that are valuable contributors - to an extent, we had that this year with our freshmen, Keljo and Mejia. LHP's are certainly welcome but they are a rare commodity. In this year's MLB Draft there were six pitchers selected in the first round - Skenes, Lowder, Dollander, Meyer, Waldrop and Eldridge. Eldridge was the only southpaw. In most drafts or player rankings I look at, 80-85% of the pitchers are right handed. In Perfect Games 2024 Class rankings, there are 5 LHP's ranked in the Top-50, which is a bumper crop. In order to recruit one of these 5, OSU would have had to beat LSU for Cam Caminitti, UCLA for Schoffelbein, TCU for Brassfield, Arizona for Russell and the uncommitted Bateman. Boston Bateman is 6'9" and will play basketball. In the 2025 class there are six LHP ranked in the Top-50. None of the six are located in the west. The Beavers can recruit LHP's successfully but how many are are available that rank anywhere near a Zach Swanson, Adam Haight, Zach Edwards, Jake McKowen or Oscar Hyde. Do you compromise or go with the best prospect? We had a highly rated Lefty committed this year and lost him in the draft. I agree with the notion that if we find one that checks the evaluation boxes, we will recruit him. My point is simply this; This fall we will welcome 10 new pitchers to OSU. All of them are right handed. In 2024 we will bring 9 new arms to Corvallis, 8 of them are right handed. In 2025, we have 8 pitchers committed, 7 are right handed. In 2026, we have 2 pitchers pledged and both are RHP. Two of the 26 pitchers in those 4 classes are left handed. The questions I have are, 1) Based on those factual numbers, how important is it to this staff to recruit left-handed pitchers? It doesn't appear to be a priority. 2), I understand matchups, percentages, pitch shapes, etc. so what is it that is so important with these LHP's? A serious question that I'm hoping to have answered. In 2023, Oregon State lefties threw 11.56% of all innings, approximately 1.03 innings per game. That is the lowest percentage of innings that Oregon State lefties have thrown since 1995. In the past half-century, 50 seasons, you just saw a combined pitching performance that rates 41st out of 50. Statistically, a lefty pitcher even more effective against lefty batters than a righty pitcher is against righty batters. LSU's lineup was R, R, L, R, L, R, L, R, and L. After the rain delay in the Sunday game, Keljo started the third and pitched to the 4-7 hitters, hitting one but not allowing any of the others to reach. In the Monday game, it was 4-2 in the fifth with the game very much in the balance. Instead of throwing a fully-rested Mejia, they trotted out Keljo again to start the fifth on no rest to throw to the 3-8 hitters. Keljo got the first lefty, but the righty and lefty that followed each homered on the first and second pitches, respectively. Keljo struck out the second righty, but the third lefty and righty each singled to chase Keljo. 4-2 became 6-2. Braden Boisvert pitched a good sixth, but his second pitch in the seventh wound up over the left centerfield fence. Boisvert recovered to get the next batter. 8-4. AJ Hutcheson, who had gotten shelled in his last three appearances, including the day before, got the call on no rest. Hutch did not record an out, giving up a base hit, base hit, walk, and base hit to run it to 10-4 with one out and runners at the corners. Mejia finally got the call, to face the 3-8 hitters. Mejia threw a wild pitch to score Crews. Mejia then got the first lefty to ground out. The first righty, though, got a base hit to make it 12-4. Mejia struck out the second lefty. The second righty reached on an infield base hit that was reviewed and upheld. Mejia struck out the third lefty. Mejia then got the third righty to ground into an inning-ending double-play. If Mejia goes in, instead of Keljo, maybe the game turns out different. But it was hard only having two real lefties to turn to in that spot, especially after the loss. I will say that Jaren Hunter's stuff tends to play better than almost all (if not all) of the other righties against lefty batters. Losing Hunter made the team very susceptible to lefties. That and the fact that Justin Thorsteinson fell apart over the final six weeks exacerbated that specific problem.
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Post by ricke71 on Aug 21, 2023 16:16:54 GMT -8
This 2024 lineup has a chance to be special. Solid group of returners led by Bazzana, Turley, Guerra, etc. Now plug in arguably the best prep bat from the 2023 HS grad class in Trent Caraway. This years team shouldn’t have problems scoring runs. Just need the pitching to step up and should be a fun year! It's notable that among the returnees for 2024 that there are 7 Seniors - that's a big number....and 5 of them are pitchers (counting Mundt, who is an unknown). Other than Mundt, most of the returning Seniors, pitchers and position players, provided high quality contributions during the 2023 season. This should translate to a ton of leadership in 2024.
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