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Post by hottubbeaver on Aug 7, 2023 12:08:04 GMT -8
So if the B1g and their media partners' motive was anything other than destroying a competing conferences' chance of survival. then why wouldn't they have wanted Utah instead of Oregon? In other words, if they were looking for the best two "investments" left on the table then why not pick Utah? Maybe they did and Utah told them they were standing tight with their conference?
Look at the facts:
SLC is a massively larger metro population base (otherwise known as market growth potential) advantage Utah
Geographically closer. Saves tavel time and travel expense. Not to mention just much easier more convenient travel. advantage Utah
More compatible time zone advantage Utah
Also the past 2 years reining P12 champion. Better "product" (I hate that term as it just desensitizes people to the commercialization of a beautiful fall tradition) but adv. Utah
Recruiting access. Utah produces significantly more D1 prospects and far more higher rated ones on average at that. adv. Utah
Academics. adv. Utah
It looks clear the big wasn't so much looking to add the two most attractive teams remaining, albeit at a discounted price. It's clear they and their media partners were looking to crush the survival chances of a competing conference and needed two willing conspirators who were willing to turn on their remaining conference partners and stab them in the back.
Utah probably was "floated" an offer and held strong to their word with conference partners at the time.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Aug 7, 2023 12:17:06 GMT -8
Schmucks have nike, knight, and national exposure for example.
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Post by irimi on Aug 7, 2023 12:27:14 GMT -8
Yeah. And the Ducks have played for the national title recently. A couple of times. That's pretty solid.
What they fail to see is the downward trend that we see. Revolving door coaches. Underperforming players. "Entitled" program.
Ducks are going to have a hard time in the B1Gger. Will Uncle Phil's money help them keep afloat? We'll see.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Aug 7, 2023 15:26:43 GMT -8
Schmucks have nike, knight, and national exposure for example. You'll have to explain that to me. Why does UO "having Nike / Knight" cause the B1G to ignore a team much closer, in a much larger media market, and the back to back conference champion? I guess I don't follow how the Nike-Knight UO relationship means squat to their value in the B1G's eyes. Can you elaborate. If anything, Nike needs the B1G a lot more than the other way around. On a side note, what if the money hungry B1G signed a deal with Under Armor as the conferences official outfitter after the ducks join? |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 7, 2023 15:35:32 GMT -8
Nike
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Aug 7, 2023 16:43:00 GMT -8
Schmucks have nike, knight, and national exposure for example. You'll have to explain that to me. Why does UO "having Nike / Knight" cause the B1G to ignore a team much closer, in a much larger media market, and the back to back conference champion? I guess I don't follow how the Nike-Knight UO relationship means squat to their value in the B1G's eyes. Can you elaborate. If anything, Nike needs the B1G a lot more than the other way around. On a side note, what if the money hungry B1G signed a deal with Under Armor as the conferences official outfitter after the ducks join? Nike needs b1g? Did you really say that? Nike revenue for 2022 was 46.7 billion. Gross profit for 12 months ending 5/31/23 was 22.292 billion. Nike would be just fine without b1g. SLC is larger than Eugene, that is true, but uu loses a significant portion of those people to byu. At one time uo drew heavily from the i5 corridor and not so much the coast or central oregon. Now when I'm on the coast there is a lot of duck bumper stickers, license plates, flags etc. Around Bend, Prineville and Madres uo is well represented all the way to the Washington border. I bet that uo has a clause in the contract with the b1g allowing them to wear Nike gear. |
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Post by ftd on Aug 7, 2023 16:45:53 GMT -8
Let's not forget that fUCLA switched to Nike shortly after hiring skip belly....PK's buddy....
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 7, 2023 16:58:51 GMT -8
So if the B1g and their media partners' motive was anything other than destroying a competing conferences' chance of survival. then why wouldn't they have wanted Utah instead of Oregon? In other words, if they were looking for the best two "investments" left on the table then why not pick Utah? Maybe they did and Utah told them they were standing tight with their conference? Look at the facts: SLC is a massively larger metro population base (otherwise known as market growth potential) advantage Utah Geographically closer. Saves travel time and travel expense. Not to mention just much easier more convenient travel. advantage Utah More compatible time zone advantage Utah Also the past 2 years reining P12 champion. Better "product" (I hate that term as it just desensitizes people to the commercialization of a beautiful fall tradition) but adv. Utah Recruiting access. Utah produces significantly more D1 prospects and far more higher rated ones on average at that. adv. Utah Academics. adv. Utah It looks clear the big wasn't so much looking to add the two most attractive teams remaining, albeit at a discounted price. It's clear they and their media partners were looking to crush the survival chances of a competing conference and needed two willing conspirators who were willing to turn on their remaining conference partners and stab them in the back. Utah probably was "floated" an offer and held strong to their word with conference partners at the time. It's not about metro population. It's about television markets. The Bend, Eugene, Medford-Klamath Falls, and Portland Media Markets together are more than 58.4% larger than the Salt Lake City Market. That is not even all of the state, because the Northeast and Southeast parts of the state are in media markets based out of Washington and Idaho. Compatible time zones are not a positive for football. You want as many in ET and PT as possible. Championships do not necessarily create product. Utah has won twice but has played like hot garbage in the Rose Bowl twice. And bowl game success or failure generally shape how a "product" is viewed, since they are usually the most-watched games of the year. You want to be in them first, but you also want to win or at least play ok . Utah produces more high quality players than Oregon, but that obscures two primary facts. The first is that absolutely does not matter where teams are physically located; it matters where they recruit. If Oregon can recruit well in California and Texas, that is better for the Big Ten than a Utah that recruits well in Utah. Second, Utah players, while more numerous, tend to go on missions more often, which diminishes their value. I will give you academics, but that, apparently, means little. Oregon was offered ahead of Utah, because they have a larger television market, provide the Pacific Time Zone, and recruit California and Texas better. That and Oregon has Nike and Utah has....................... Obvious decision, unless academics really matter, which they apparently do not. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 7, 2023 16:59:49 GMT -8
So if the B1g and their media partners' motive was anything other than destroying a competing conferences' chance of survival. then why wouldn't they have wanted Utah instead of Oregon? In other words, if they were looking for the best two "investments" left on the table then why not pick Utah? Maybe they did and Utah told them they were standing tight with their conference? Look at the facts: SLC is a massively larger metro population base (otherwise known as market growth potential) advantage Utah Geographically closer. Saves tavel time and travel expense. Not to mention just much easier more convenient travel. advantage Utah More compatible time zone advantage Utah Also the past 2 years reining P12 champion. Better "product" (I hate that term as it just desensitizes people to the commercialization of a beautiful fall tradition) but adv. Utah Recruiting access. Utah produces significantly more D1 prospects and far more higher rated ones on average at that. adv. Utah Academics. adv. Utah It looks clear the big wasn't so much looking to add the two most attractive teams remaining, albeit at a discounted price. It's clear they and their media partners were looking to crush the survival chances of a competing conference and needed two willing conspirators who were willing to turn on their remaining conference partners and stab them in the back. Utah probably was "floated" an offer and held strong to their word with conference partners at the time. Soze of the city doesn’t matter. It’s the folks who care enough to watch the game. Duck fans are everywhere and more loud about it than Utes. They will watch the games. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Aug 7, 2023 17:01:07 GMT -8
So if the B1g and their media partners' motive was anything other than destroying a competing conferences' chance of survival. then why wouldn't they have wanted Utah instead of Oregon? In other words, if they were looking for the best two "investments" left on the table then why not pick Utah? Maybe they did and Utah told them they were standing tight with their conference? Look at the facts: SLC is a massively larger metro population base (otherwise known as market growth potential) advantage Utah Geographically closer. Saves travel time and travel expense. Not to mention just much easier more convenient travel. advantage Utah More compatible time zone advantage Utah Also the past 2 years reining P12 champion. Better "product" (I hate that term as it just desensitizes people to the commercialization of a beautiful fall tradition) but adv. Utah Recruiting access. Utah produces significantly more D1 prospects and far more higher rated ones on average at that. adv. Utah Academics. adv. Utah It looks clear the big wasn't so much looking to add the two most attractive teams remaining, albeit at a discounted price. It's clear they and their media partners were looking to crush the survival chances of a competing conference and needed two willing conspirators who were willing to turn on their remaining conference partners and stab them in the back. Utah probably was "floated" an offer and held strong to their word with conference partners at the time. It's not about metro population. It's about television markets. The Bend, Eugene, Medford-Klamath Falls, and Portland Media Markets together are more than 58.4% larger than the Salt Lake City Market. That is not even all of the state, because the Northeast and Southeast parts of the state are in media markets based out of Washington and Idaho. Compatible time zones are not a positive for football. You want as many in ET and PT as possible. Championships do not necessarily create product. Utah has won twice but has played like hot garbage in the Rose Bowl twice. And bowl game success or failure generally shape how a "product" is viewed, since they are usually the most-watched games of the year. You want to be in them first, but you also want to win or at least play ok . Utah produces more high quality players than Oregon, but that obscures two primary facts. The first is that absolutely does not matter where teams are physically located; it matters where they recruit. If Oregon can recruit well in California and Texas, that is better for the Big Ten than a Utah that recruits well in Utah. Second, Utah players, while more numerous, tend to go on missions more often, which diminishes their value. I will give you academics, but that, apparently, means little. Oregon was offered ahead of Utah, because they have a larger television market, provide the Pacific Time Zone, and recruit California and Texas better. That and Oregon has Nike and Utah has....................... Obvious decision, unless academics really matter, which they apparently do not. Better said than my feeble attempt. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 7, 2023 17:05:06 GMT -8
It's not about metro population. It's about television markets. The Bend, Eugene, Medford-Klamath Falls, and Portland Media Markets together are more than 58.4% larger than the Salt Lake City Market. That is not even all of the state, because the Northeast and Southeast parts of the state are in media markets based out of Washington and Idaho. Compatible time zones are not a positive for football. You want as many in ET and PT as possible. Championships do not necessarily create product. Utah has won twice but has played like hot garbage in the Rose Bowl twice. And bowl game success or failure generally shape how a "product" is viewed, since they are usually the most-watched games of the year. You want to be in them first, but you also want to win or at least play ok . Utah produces more high quality players than Oregon, but that obscures two primary facts. The first is that absolutely does not matter where teams are physically located; it matters where they recruit. If Oregon can recruit well in California and Texas, that is better for the Big Ten than a Utah that recruits well in Utah. Second, Utah players, while more numerous, tend to go on missions more often, which diminishes their value. I will give you academics, but that, apparently, means little. Oregon was offered ahead of Utah, because they have a larger television market, provide the Pacific Time Zone, and recruit California and Texas better. That and Oregon has Nike and Utah has....................... Obvious decision, unless academics really matter, which they apparently do not. Better said than my feeble attempt. Aaron Burr was thought of as a better lawyer than Alexander Hamilton in his time, because Burr could say in five minutes what Hamilton took hours to say. It probably did not happen this way, but Burr was busy shooting Hamilton, while Hamilton was arguing that they should switch sides. There is absolutely nothing wrong with brevity. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 7, 2023 17:14:37 GMT -8
Better said than my feeble attempt. Aaron Burr was thought of as a better lawyer than Alexander Hamilton in his time, because Burr could say in five minutes what Hamilton took hours to say. It probably did not happen this way, but Burr was busy shooting Hamilton, while Hamilton was arguing that they should switch sides. There is absolutely nothing wrong with brevity. Buy Raymond Burr was eloquent and had a bigger audience than both of them. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 7, 2023 17:18:25 GMT -8
Aaron Burr was thought of as a better lawyer than Alexander Hamilton in his time, because Burr could say in five minutes what Hamilton took hours to say. It probably did not happen this way, but Burr was busy shooting Hamilton, while Hamilton was arguing that they should switch sides. There is absolutely nothing wrong with brevity. Buy Raymond Burr was eloquent and had a bigger audience than both of them. Is that Bill Burr’s dad? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 7, 2023 17:22:44 GMT -8
So if the B1g and their media partners' motive was anything other than destroying a competing conferences' chance of survival. then why wouldn't they have wanted Utah instead of Oregon? In other words, if they were looking for the best two "investments" left on the table then why not pick Utah? Maybe they did and Utah told them they were standing tight with their conference? Look at the facts: SLC is a massively larger metro population base (otherwise known as market growth potential) advantage Utah Geographically closer. Saves tavel time and travel expense. Not to mention just much easier more convenient travel. advantage Utah More compatible time zone advantage Utah Also the past 2 years reining P12 champion. Better "product" (I hate that term as it just desensitizes people to the commercialization of a beautiful fall tradition) but adv. Utah Recruiting access. Utah produces significantly more D1 prospects and far more higher rated ones on average at that. adv. Utah Academics. adv. Utah It looks clear the big wasn't so much looking to add the two most attractive teams remaining, albeit at a discounted price. It's clear they and their media partners were looking to crush the survival chances of a competing conference and needed two willing conspirators who were willing to turn on their remaining conference partners and stab them in the back. Utah probably was "floated" an offer and held strong to their word with conference partners at the time. Soze of the city doesn’t matter. It’s the folks who care enough to watch the game. Duck fans are everywhere and more loud about it than Utes. They will watch the games. Yep, it wasn't the city, it wasn't the market, like it or not it's the "brand". There are uck fans all over and they were the 12th most watched football program last year (Utah #33). They didn’t get well over 2 million eyeballs a week because of location. medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-were-the-most-watched-in-2022-94eca4f6acbd |
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Post by beaver1989 on Aug 7, 2023 18:14:44 GMT -8
Better said than my feeble attempt. Aaron Burr was thought of as a better lawyer than Alexander Hamilton in his time, because Burr could say in five minutes what Hamilton took hours to say. It probably did not happen this way, but Burr was busy shooting Hamilton, while Hamilton was arguing that they should switch sides. There is absolutely nothing wrong with brevity. I "live brevity"..... keep it concise, accurate, and to the point.(I'm a manufacturer) However, I still like Hamilton, he would provide 52 pages of thought and information while some of his contemporaries would provide 3 pages. It doesn't mean I liked everything Alexander proposed, such as lifetime Senators, but I appreciate his thoroughness when approaching an issue. I have a bias..... I'm an information junkie, especially when it comes to history.😀 |
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