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Post by beaverology on Jul 28, 2023 10:04:05 GMT -8
With the upheaval of conference realignment back in full swing, the Huskies and Ducks find themselves on an island with few choices. Both programs/fanbases believe they belong in one of the 2 super conferences. What they want and what they get are 2 different things. Let's look at their options:
Big Ten: Both programs thought that an invite to the B10 was imminent after USC and UCLA jumped. 13 months later, no bueno. Kevin Warren was the driving force for Big10 expansion and had an ambitious plan for the west coast schools. His plan also included Oregon, UW, Stanford and Cal, making it the Big 20. The problem was, he never had the support of the university presidents or FOX Sports. Warren is now gone and so is his vision. The Big 10 has stated they are standing pat on 16 and want to test drive the conference and see how things go with new members USC/UCLA.
In addition, Let's look at the exit strategy of USC/UCLA. There were 2 components of it, and one was cutthroat in nature.
1. Leave for a better conference and more money.
2. Leave UW and Oregon mired in dying Pac12 with the guarantee that they could never join the Big10. We know USC and UCLA will always vote NO on adding the ducks or huskies. It's believed that most B10 presidents are not in favor of bringing OR and UW into the fold either. The reality is simple: Big10 fans don't want to watch duck/husky football on tv and Big10 teams don't want to travel to Seattle and Eugene. The pod concept doesn't solve these problems. Also, USC also made it known upon joining the Big Ten that they didn't want to share the Los Angeles recruiting market with anyone else on the West Coast. Why give up the biggest competitive advantages of joining the Big Ten -- the vastly superior finances being flexed to the rich Southern California recruiting base. Why pay more foxes to come to the henhouse? Eventually the Big10 wants to start paying all football players high level salaries and treat them like employees. Imagine using that as a recruiting tool in addition to NIL, but that's for a different day. All of this leaves UW and UO on the outside looking in for a long time, maybe forever which is crushing news for them.
Big 12: It's long been assumed that UW/UO could join the B12 at any time, that there's an open invitation, but I don't believe that is the case with Big12 commish Brett Yormark. Yormark has said he "doesn't want anyone who doesn't want us". What's the point of bringing UW/UO into the B12 when they're a known flight risk? All they'll do is leave at the first chance. I doubt the B12 being used as a stepping stone appeals to Yormark. With recent departure of Texas and Oklahoma, the Big12 has been there, done that. Would UW/OR agree to a 10 year commitment to the Big12? That might work, but I don't think either party would do that.
SEC: No invite. Not an option.
ACC: No invite. Not an option.
Pac 12: Looks like UW and Oregon are gonna be here a while.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 28, 2023 13:39:29 GMT -8
With the upheaval of conference realignment back in full swing, the Huskies and Ducks find themselves on an island with few choices. Both programs/fanbases believe they belong in one of the 2 super conferences. What they want and what they get are 2 different things. Let's look at their options: Big Ten: Both programs thought that an invite to the B10 was imminent after USC and UCLA jumped. 13 months later, no bueno. Kevin Warren was the driving force for Big10 expansion and had an ambitious plan for the west coast schools. His plan also included Oregon, UW, Stanford and Cal, making it the Big 20. The problem was, he never had the support of the university presidents or FOX Sports. Warren is now gone and so is his vision. The Big 10 has stated they are standing pat on 16 and want to test drive the conference and see how things go with new members USC/UCLA. In addition, Let's look at the exit strategy of USC/UCLA. There were 2 components of it, and one was cutthroat in nature. 1. Leave for a better conference and more money. 2. Leave UW and Oregon mired in dying Pac12 with the guarantee that they could never join the Big10. We know USC and UCLA will always vote NO on adding the ducks or huskies. It's believed that most B10 presidents are not in favor of bringing OR and UW into the fold either. The reality is simple: Big10 fans don't want to watch duck/husky football on tv and Big10 teams don't want to travel to Seattle and Eugene. The pod concept doesn't solve these problems. Also, USC also made it known upon joining the Big Ten that they didn't want to share the Los Angeles recruiting market with anyone else on the West Coast. Why give up the biggest competitive advantages of joining the Big Ten -- the vastly superior finances being flexed to the rich Southern California recruiting base. Why pay more foxes to come to the henhouse? Eventually the Big10 wants to start paying all football players high level salaries and treat them like employees. Imagine using that as a recruiting tool in addition to NIL, but that's for a different day. All of this leaves UW and UO on the outside looking in for a long time, maybe forever which is crushing news for them. Big 12: It's long been assumed that UW/UO could join the B12 at any time, that there's an open invitation, but I don't believe that is the case with Big12 commish Brett Yormark. Yormark has said he "doesn't want anyone who doesn't want us". What's the point of bringing UW/UO into the B12 when they're a known flight risk? All they'll do is leave at the first chance. I doubt the B12 being used as a stepping stone appeals to Yormark. With recent departure of Texas and Oklahoma, the Big12 has been there, done that. Would UW/OR agree to a 10 year commitment to the Big12? That might work, but I don't think either party would do that. SEC: No invite. Not an option. ACC: No invite. Not an option. Pac 12: Looks like UW and Oregon are gonna be here a while. The Big 12 is capped at one more team, unless they renegotiate their contract. And that would cause them to forfeit all of their leverage. The Big Ten wants to make money. They would take Oregon and Washington, if it made sense. But it doesn't, so they are stuck. I am surprised that the SEC has been as passive as they are. I keep expecting them to snatch up somebody. I am not sure that Oregon or Washington really want to deal with all of that. The ACC is stuck in their terrible contract that may cause that conference to implode. They are holding strong for the moment, but the Big 12 wants to take down both the ACC and Pac-12, if humanly possible. At a certain point, I would expect Oregon and Washington to just announce that they are going independent. A conference makes sense, but only to a certain point. Oregon State needs the rest of the Pac-Nine a lot more than they need Oregon State. I am not so sure that the same can be said for Oregon and Washington. In this moment, Oregon State's lifeline is our longstanding ties to California, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, and Washington State. Absent four years of unpleasantness, those five teams have been in the same conference for the past 105 years. Colorado was an interloper. USC and UCLA were longer-lasting interlopers. Quit stirring the pot! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 28, 2023 14:13:50 GMT -8
With the upheaval of conference realignment back in full swing, the Huskies and Ducks find themselves on an island with few choices. Both programs/fanbases believe they belong in one of the 2 super conferences. What they want and what they get are 2 different things. Let's look at their options: Big Ten: Both programs thought that an invite to the B10 was imminent after USC and UCLA jumped. 13 months later, no bueno. Kevin Warren was the driving force for Big10 expansion and had an ambitious plan for the west coast schools. His plan also included Oregon, UW, Stanford and Cal, making it the Big 20. The problem was, he never had the support of the university presidents or FOX Sports. Warren is now gone and so is his vision. The Big 10 has stated they are standing pat on 16 and want to test drive the conference and see how things go with new members USC/UCLA. In addition, Let's look at the exit strategy of USC/UCLA. There were 2 components of it, and one was cutthroat in nature. 1. Leave for a better conference and more money. 2. Leave UW and Oregon mired in dying Pac12 with the guarantee that they could never join the Big10. We know USC and UCLA will always vote NO on adding the ducks or huskies. It's believed that most B10 presidents are not in favor of bringing OR and UW into the fold either. The reality is simple: Big10 fans don't want to watch duck/husky football on tv and Big10 teams don't want to travel to Seattle and Eugene. The pod concept doesn't solve these problems. Also, USC also made it known upon joining the Big Ten that they didn't want to share the Los Angeles recruiting market with anyone else on the West Coast. Why give up the biggest competitive advantages of joining the Big Ten -- the vastly superior finances being flexed to the rich Southern California recruiting base. Why pay more foxes to come to the henhouse? Eventually the Big10 wants to start paying all football players high level salaries and treat them like employees. Imagine using that as a recruiting tool in addition to NIL, but that's for a different day. All of this leaves UW and UO on the outside looking in for a long time, maybe forever which is crushing news for them. Big 12: It's long been assumed that UW/UO could join the B12 at any time, that there's an open invitation, but I don't believe that is the case with Big12 commish Brett Yormark. Yormark has said he "doesn't want anyone who doesn't want us". What's the point of bringing UW/UO into the B12 when they're a known flight risk? All they'll do is leave at the first chance. I doubt the B12 being used as a stepping stone appeals to Yormark. With recent departure of Texas and Oklahoma, the Big12 has been there, done that. Would UW/OR agree to a 10 year commitment to the Big12? That might work, but I don't think either party would do that. SEC: No invite. Not an option. ACC: No invite. Not an option. Pac 12: Looks like UW and Oregon are gonna be here a while. Unequivocally your best post. |
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Post by beaverology on Jul 28, 2023 15:50:43 GMT -8
Thank you!
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Post by ftd on Jul 28, 2023 15:59:47 GMT -8
it always cracks me up the uo sees itself as some sort of elite program. Never really won a damn thing. All they have is Phil's money and the facilities he paid for. Not a big market like So Cal, Seattle or the Bay area.
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Post by beavs6 on Jul 28, 2023 17:38:26 GMT -8
it always cracks me up the uo sees itself as some sort of elite program. Never really won a damn thing. All they have is Phil's money and the facilities he paid for. Not a big market like So Cal, Seattle or the Bay area. uo has done NOTHING. (Track championships I guess). Their NCAA hoops championship came when the real #1 Team still came out of the NIT. Phil’s $ and influence is what they have. It is all flash. It is all smoke and mirrors. It is all marketing. There is NO substance. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 28, 2023 19:26:13 GMT -8
it always cracks me up the uo sees itself as some sort of elite program. Never really won a damn thing. All they have is Phil's money and the facilities he paid for. Not a big market like So Cal, Seattle or the Bay area. uo has done NOTHING. (Track championships I guess). Their NCAA hoops championship came when the real #1 Team still came out of the NIT. Phil’s $ and influence is what they have. It is all flash. It is all smoke and mirrors. It is all marketing. There is NO substance. True, the Tall Firs hoop championship was what is now the NIT Champion. Who was that again last year? |
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Post by irimi on Jul 29, 2023 7:24:16 GMT -8
With the upheaval of conference realignment back in full swing, the Huskies and Ducks find themselves on an island with few choices. Both programs/fanbases believe they belong in one of the 2 super conferences. What they want and what they get are 2 different things. Let's look at their options: Big Ten: Both programs thought that an invite to the B10 was imminent after USC and UCLA jumped. 13 months later, no bueno. Kevin Warren was the driving force for Big10 expansion and had an ambitious plan for the west coast schools. His plan also included Oregon, UW, Stanford and Cal, making it the Big 20. The problem was, he never had the support of the university presidents or FOX Sports. Warren is now gone and so is his vision. The Big 10 has stated they are standing pat on 16 and want to test drive the conference and see how things go with new members USC/UCLA. In addition, Let's look at the exit strategy of USC/UCLA. There were 2 components of it, and one was cutthroat in nature. 1. Leave for a better conference and more money. 2. Leave UW and Oregon mired in dying Pac12 with the guarantee that they could never join the Big10. We know USC and UCLA will always vote NO on adding the ducks or huskies. It's believed that most B10 presidents are not in favor of bringing OR and UW into the fold either. The reality is simple: Big10 fans don't want to watch duck/husky football on tv and Big10 teams don't want to travel to Seattle and Eugene. The pod concept doesn't solve these problems. Also, USC also made it known upon joining the Big Ten that they didn't want to share the Los Angeles recruiting market with anyone else on the West Coast. Why give up the biggest competitive advantages of joining the Big Ten -- the vastly superior finances being flexed to the rich Southern California recruiting base. Why pay more foxes to come to the henhouse? Eventually the Big10 wants to start paying all football players high level salaries and treat them like employees. Imagine using that as a recruiting tool in addition to NIL, but that's for a different day. All of this leaves UW and UO on the outside looking in for a long time, maybe forever which is crushing news for them. Big 12: It's long been assumed that UW/UO could join the B12 at any time, that there's an open invitation, but I don't believe that is the case with Big12 commish Brett Yormark. Yormark has said he "doesn't want anyone who doesn't want us". What's the point of bringing UW/UO into the B12 when they're a known flight risk? All they'll do is leave at the first chance. I doubt the B12 being used as a stepping stone appeals to Yormark. With recent departure of Texas and Oklahoma, the Big12 has been there, done that. Would UW/OR agree to a 10 year commitment to the Big12? That might work, but I don't think either party would do that. SEC: No invite. Not an option. ACC: No invite. Not an option. Pac 12: Looks like UW and Oregon are gonna be here a while. The Big 12 is capped at one more team, unless they renegotiate their contract. And that would cause them to forfeit all of their leverage. The Big Ten wants to make money. They would take Oregon and Washington, if it made sense. But it doesn't, so they are stuck. I am surprised that the SEC has been as passive as they are. I keep expecting them to snatch up somebody. I am not sure that Oregon or Washington really want to deal with all of that. The ACC is stuck in their terrible contract that may cause that conference to implode. They are holding strong for the moment, but the Big 12 wants to take down both the ACC and Pac-12, if humanly possible. At a certain point, I would expect Oregon and Washington to just announce that they are going independent. A conference makes sense, but only to a certain point. Oregon State needs the rest of the Pac-Nine a lot more than they need Oregon State. I am not so sure that the same can be said for Oregon and Washington. In this moment, Oregon State's lifeline is our longstanding ties to California, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, and Washington State. Absent four years of unpleasantness, those five teams have been in the same conference for the past 105 years. Colorado was an interloper. USC and UCLA were longer-lasting interlopers. Quit stirring the pot! I sort of think it would make sense for the Big Ten to add Oregon and Washington. Doing so would allow a lot less travel. They could schedule USC and UCLA to play in the northwest, thereby cutting out some of the otherwise long distance travel. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 29, 2023 12:05:00 GMT -8
Going to the Big 10/20 you have to wonder if Oregon/they would end up like Missouri to the SEC. Nothing special to hang your hat on, but with (even) more money.
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Post by korculabeav on Jul 30, 2023 11:13:45 GMT -8
The question I have is are they really actively looking for a new conference. Just because the media speculates does not make it so.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 31, 2023 20:28:21 GMT -8
They should consider starting the AAL. The All Arrogant League!
Oregon
Washington
Texas
Miami
Texas A&M
Ohio St
Nebraska
Notre Dame
USC
Clemson
Who should be added/subtracted?
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 31, 2023 21:10:11 GMT -8
They should consider starting the AAL. The All Arrogant League! Oregon Washington Texas Miami Texas A&M Ohio St Nebraska Notre Dame USC Clemson Who should be added/subtracted? Georgia & Kirby for sure! UM & Harbaugh |
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 1, 2023 10:49:45 GMT -8
They should consider starting the AAL. The All Arrogant League! Oregon Washington Texas Miami Texas A&M Ohio St Nebraska Notre Dame USC Clemson Who should be added/subtracted? Georgia & Kirby for sure! UM & Harbaugh Yeah, I don't disagree, although Georgia has pretty much earned the right. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 1, 2023 11:54:50 GMT -8
Georgia & Kirby for sure! UM & Harbaugh Yeah, I don't disagree, although Georgia has pretty much earned the right. True that. And, the very little I've seen/heard Kirby he actually seems very even keel. I'll withdraw my nomination in that regard... hard to say how our Coaches/fan base would react/act if OSU ever was going for a 3 peat. I can guess though, as a couple far removed ND wins are still the highlight of many! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 1, 2023 13:12:35 GMT -8
Yeah, I don't disagree, although Georgia has pretty much earned the right. True that. And, the very little I've seen/heard Kirby he actually seems very even keel. I'll withdraw my nomination in that regard... hard to say how our Coaches/fan base would react/act if OSU ever was going for a 3 peat. I can guess though, as a couple far removed ND wins are still the highlight of many! Kirby has his head up his a$$ by downplaying all the problems Georgia has had in this offseason, with player and staff deaths due to drag racing, etc. There are serious off-field issues in that program. |
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