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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 22, 2023 18:51:18 GMT -8
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jul 22, 2023 20:32:22 GMT -8
They don't care about the Pac 12 or Pac 10 now. The main sports will be fine regardless, uncle phil will see to that.
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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Jul 22, 2023 20:44:04 GMT -8
Why are you mad ... wouldn't that also give the Beavers an advantage too having a smaller conference to compete against?
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 22, 2023 21:04:28 GMT -8
Why are you mad ... wouldn't that also give the Beavers an advantage too having a smaller conference to compete against? And more $$. It's not like any of the aforementioned additions are going to mean a huge jump in TV $. 10 way split, true conference champ with 9 league games... |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 22, 2023 21:21:14 GMT -8
They should flat out be kicked out of the conference. I'd figure out a way to do it on short notice amd say good riddance.
Ten teams and there's a fair chance the conference gets only 1 team in the playoffs a lot of years, 12 teams and there's a very good chance the conference gets 2 playoff teams most years.
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 22, 2023 21:25:16 GMT -8
They should flat out be kicked out of the conference. I'd figure out a way to do it on short notice amd say good riddance. Ten teams and there's a fair chance the conference gets only 1 team in the playoffs a lot of years, 12 teams and there's a very good chance the conference gets 2 playoff teams most years. Why would 10 teams limit the playoff opportunities? Two top 10 Pac10 teams will make the 12-team playoff. Just like two top 10 will in a 12 team league. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 22, 2023 21:31:30 GMT -8
When the leagues with 12-16 teams start having 3-4 highly thought of teams- heck, these days a big name coach can move the dial, the puny little 10 team "failing league" on the west coast isn't going to get as much respect.
There's no guarantee of 2 teams per conference, and a shrinking conference is even more likely to be looked down upon come decision time.
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 22, 2023 21:41:05 GMT -8
When the leagues with 12-16 teams start having 3-4 highly thought of teams- heck, these days a big name coach can move the dial, the puny little 10 team "failing league" on the west coast isn't going to get as much respect. There's no guarantee of 2 teams per conference, and a shrinking conference is even more likely to be looked down upon come decision time. If two teams are in the top 10-12 at the end of the season that's all the respect needed. Plus, the addition of SD St and SMU (or similar) isn't going to help the "respect factor". The lack of respect might come in the seeding process, but come post season it's more about highly thought of teams, not conferences. The conference champ is an auto berth. Another top 10 team would get picked. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 23, 2023 6:15:15 GMT -8
When the leagues with 12-16 teams start having 3-4 highly thought of teams- heck, these days a big name coach can move the dial, the puny little 10 team "failing league" on the west coast isn't going to get as much respect. There's no guarantee of 2 teams per conference, and a shrinking conference is even more likely to be looked down upon come decision time. If two teams are in the top 10-12 at the end of the season that's all the respect needed. Plus, the addition of SD St and SMU (or similar) isn't going to help the "respect factor". The lack of respect might come in the seeding process, but come post season it's more about highly thought of teams, not conferences. The conference champ is an auto berth. Another top 10 team would get picked. Lol Utah is an Elite Pac 12 team. TCU and Baylor are the two past Big 12 champs. SDSU and SMU absolutely bring respect to the Pac 12. In fact just 2 years ago SDSU beat the Pac 12 champs. The bigger issue here is Oregon has one foot out the door. You dont see the irony that they don't want the added competition but will jump at the chance to make Big 10 money if offered, which could potentially decimate the Pac 9 or 8? The Pac 10 might as be a G5 conference if it stays at 10. It will only get 1 team in a year...the powers that be will see to it. |
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Post by seastape on Jul 23, 2023 6:59:10 GMT -8
Some of the reporting on the Pac 12's media deal and expansion efforts have said that there are possible media deals that may require more inventory than a 10-team Pac conference can provide.
Count me in favor of adding SDSU for a chunk of the SoCal market. SMU...I don't know. I understand the Texas market and DFW in particular, but I don't like the expansion of the Pac footprint in that case. I would really like the Pac to be the conference of the West. But I get it. It's all about the dollars (and the expansion of recruiting grounds) and if the Pac chases SMU to get that money and market, then I hope it works out.
If I had a vote, I would ignore what uo wants if I thought the opposing view would help the conference. We all know that the yucks will jump to the big 10 when offered.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 23, 2023 8:27:07 GMT -8
Some of the reporting on the Pac 12's media deal and expansion efforts have said that there are possible media deals that may require more inventory than a 10-team Pac conference can provide. Count me in favor of adding SDSU for a chunk of the SoCal market. SMU...I don't know. I understand the Texas market and DFW in particular, but I don't like the expansion of the Pac footprint in that case. I would really like the Pac to be the conference of the West. But I get it. It's all about the dollars (and the expansion of recruiting grounds) and if the Pac chases SMU to get that money and market, then I hope it works out. If I had a vote, I would ignore what uo wants if I thought the opposing view would help the conference. We all know that the yucks will jump to the big 10 when offered. With you 100% here. Would prefer UNLV for the Las Vegas market...which will only keep growing, and hope they can build a solid program. But am good with SMU simply for the Texas recruiting angle and the school has money The Pac 12 has been an afterthought in the most recent incarnation of a playoff system....why people think that would change after downgrading is beyond me. Last year was the best year in the Pac 12 in years. How many playoff teams did it have? How many the past 5 years? How many total? There will only be 6 at large teams and the Pac 12 is going to look like the weakest P5 conference if it stays at 10. Its already that with USC and UCLA. All you need to do here is look at the Big 12...which was hanging by a rope and now has leapfrogged the Pac 12 by adding 4 non P5 teams. The Pac 12 needs to solidify its standing by expansion. Or face extinction or relegation to MWC status once realignment rears its ugly head again and the elites of the Pac 10 move on to greener pastures |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 23, 2023 9:15:05 GMT -8
All the blather about Oregon voting, but basically nothing on the other vote? Hmmmmm.... not like there were more than enough rumors of other schools leaving!
But, back to the "respect" card. All of that is pure conjecture. The fact of selection is pretty simple. It had nothing to do with having 10 teams or 12. It has zero to do with withering respect or what team might leave in the future.
The top 6 ranked conference Champs (4 highest get byes)... in! That is team one for the Pac10. The next 6 highest ranked teams... in. Meaning no matter the size or respect factor the Pac10 will have to have another top 12 ranked team. Period.
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 23, 2023 9:48:58 GMT -8
Would love to NOT add a team from Texas, especially a lower level program like SMU. If we have to go down a level I’d rather have another Cali school or Unlv or someone else from the current footprint.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 23, 2023 10:53:35 GMT -8
All the blather about Oregon voting, but basically nothing on the other vote? Hmmmmm.... not like there were more than enough rumors of other schools leaving! But, back to the "respect" card. All of that is pure conjecture. The fact of selection is pretty simple. It had nothing to do with having 10 teams or 12. It has zero to do with withering respect or what team might leave in the future. The top 6 ranked conference Champs (4 highest get byes)... in! That is team one for the Pac10. The next 6 highest ranked teams... in. Meaning no matter the size or respect factor the Pac10 will have to have another top 12 ranked team. Period. And if Washington is 10-2 playing pac 10 and MWC cream puffs while Florida or Michigan is 8-4 playing legit schedules...no doubt the voters will vote accordingly knowing who deserves to be in the 12 team tourney. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 23, 2023 11:06:19 GMT -8
As we all know, SDSU has absolutely no fans at all outside of it's city limits. Nobody else in California or elsewhere gives a whoop about it.
We also know expansion of the Pac 12 footprint and fanbase into the 2nd most populous state and one of the top recruiting areas in the country is absolute stupidity.
Shrinking the Pac 12 conference while the other conferences grow their membership and TV contracts actually makes the Pac 12 the cool conference.
I'm now firmly with the expansion naysayers on this:)
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