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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 15, 2023 21:43:55 GMT -8
If they quit giving out waivers to two-time transfers, as they say they will, that won't happen. The transfer craze will also be reduced somewhat when the athletes who got a free year for Covid finally cycle through, because there will not be as many grad transfers. They have not passed the one transfer rule, so right now it is a free for all. The only hurdle is the process towards graduation requirement. So, as long as you can meet that requirement, you can transfer every year. The two-time transfer waiver policy has been significantly toughened. fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Transfer/DI_UG4YW.pdf |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 15, 2023 22:41:20 GMT -8
Throwing money at non-revenue generating sports? Brilliant! Well, Judge, look at it this way. Each school has X number of dollars for NIL, but they all use different equations to arrive at their own X. Alabama's X is significantly greater than Oregon State's X; we're all agreed on that. And Alabama chooses to spend a very significant percentage of their X on their biggest revenue producer, football. Consequently, it is currently mathematically impossible for us to compete with them, monetarily, for the services of a 5 star football recruit for 4 years, 3 if he can make more money going to the NFL after junior year. If money is the deal maker or deal breaker, the kid's going to Alabama. Therefore, it is an exercise in futility to even try. Our best bet is to do what we've always done - try to find the 3 star kid with potential and coach him up. But (and this is a big but), I'd guess you could get 2 or 3 four star equivalent softball players for the same money as a single high three star or low four star linebacker. You could get 5 track and field athletes, or an entire golf team. And even if you spend the lion's share of your X on football, you're not going to get past the 8-5 or 9-4 plateau 11 years out of 12. I try to pay some attention to all sports, and I've enjoyed seeing women's track and field get a little bit better each year since they restarted the program. I'm far from a track nut, but wouldn't it be cool to see that program rise to national prominence? If that happens, would it not matter to you because it's not a revenue producing sport? Oregon State has one non-revenue intercollegiate sport which has produced national championships almost perennially for a couple decades now and I bet there are people on this board who can't name it. The men's team apparently won it again this year and the women's team placed 2nd. That's actually kind of impressive in my opinion. I'd link the GT article but it's behind a pay wall and I can't even read it. Maybe OSU should be paying the players of those sports NIL even though it's "just" a club sport. Point being, there's really just a very few sports here that really move the needle with the majority of the fans. Racquetball, by the way. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 15, 2023 23:02:40 GMT -8
A couple of things...
- the NCAA can reduce the effect of "pay to play" by simply removing the portal. They can't afford, nor have the time override state legislatures. But, the NCAA does still control (for now at least) the eligibility of member schools and the policies they must follow. If players don't have a free 1-time portal pass the NIL has less effect. It'll now be down to enticing HS recruits or grad transfers.
If the NCAA wants to take a step in controlling NIL they need to limit transfers. By investing time & personnel into a new structure/strict undergrad transfer policy and enforcement will help limit schools from losing players they've developed.
- NIL $ come mostly from big donors/boosters who want a bang for their buck. For the most part that means a once removed affiliation with the "BMOCs". That's football & MBB in most cases. Those with bigger NIL pools then include WBB & baseball programs on the national stage.
Boosters/NIL organizations don't exist without them choosing where their $ go. In many ways its egos with too much money wanting their piece of a college "franchise". They can't afford the pot of pro sports, this is their in. Granted there are many small donors who want to make a difference... but in reality do they?
What's next in this free-for-all? Free transfer, chance to grad transfer, pay for play...
Well... a school now sues to recoup academic and athletic "development costs" from the signing school?
Or, maybe there are "trades"?
Or??
As of now college sports at the D1 level is a mess on many fronts. And, it doesn't appear a solution is anywhere in the near future.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jul 16, 2023 0:29:07 GMT -8
One area I’ll be interested in seeing how it is impacted by NIL is coaches hiring. Thinking mainly MBB, but certainly has applications to other sports. One of the key areas that is taken into consideration when hiring a new coach is recruiting. In the past and still currently, when the AD at a smaller D1 school is looking for a new head coach, assistants at larger schools are key candidates. But if an assistant is known as a good recruiter at a school with a large NIL program, will an AD believe he can have the same success as a HC at his school with a much smaller NIL program. Will an assistant coach that has success at an Oregon State type school be more attractive to the fore mentioned AD than an AC from a school with 4, 6 , 10 times the amount of NIL money to throw around?
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Post by bill82 on Jul 16, 2023 14:02:18 GMT -8
This may have been covered in previous posts, but how did our NIL "point people" get selected, and can they be changed if they fail to produce. I heard one of the people on point interviewed by Canzano after this kerfuffle with Shelton. Apologies to anyone who knows him personally but he did not blow me away. It seems he is a superfan who step forward first - not a uberwealthy donor that has the celebrity to bring others along.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 16, 2023 18:51:32 GMT -8
There is nothing wrong with the portal. Kids should have a one-time mulligan.
Toughening the two-time transfer rules will change things considerably. And when the kids who got a free Covid year cycle through.
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Post by grackle on Jul 17, 2023 7:39:44 GMT -8
I've said it before and now I believe it'll happen even sooner than I had anticipated: The combo of NIL $$$ and the transfer portal madness are going to crater college athletics. The pattern of the rich getting richer and the poor poorer will go only so far..... public interest will begin to wane when there is no player loyalty and only the same few rich schools continue to dominate.
When that happens, TV ratings will plummet and the big TV network contracts will disappear. Sooner or later, someone in college athletics will see the approaching cliff that whole shebang is going to go over if something isn't done to level the playing field.
But will they wise up soon enough?? I doubt it.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 17, 2023 20:28:55 GMT -8
With respect to NIL money and Oregon State's inability to compete with SEC schools in the major sports: That's no doubt true, and will remain true. So why not consider throwing the most NIL money at other sports that don't have as high a profile? We have a very good gymnastics program; maybe we could make it great by outspending others. Women's track and field, both golf teams, rowing . . . There are opportunities to become players on the national stage in many sports. Just a thought. Delusional misguided fandom. |
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