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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 12:04:01 GMT -8
Coaches all over the country get fired for this kind of incompetence, this time it was Riley who left and saved OSU a ton of money. HIP HIP! You're completely wrong, and I'm going to tell you why. I'm in complete agreement that a change needed to be made. 2013 and 2014 were not great seasons at all. But when you can explain to me how a coach making $1.5M a year (lowest in the Pac-12 and well below market value) leaving saved us money, you're just not making any sense. I assume you're alluding to his buy-out that would've had to have been paid had we fired him. At that point, he would have been under contract for six more seasons, which would've put OSU on the hook for about $9M. That's the number assuming nobody else came to pick him up and he straight up retired, as these buyouts are reduced by the amount of salary earned at future jobs. If you want to add in the $500K we got from Nebraska for him to leave willingly, that's $9.5M. OSU then went out and hired a coach at market value - $2.5M per year, plus whatever increases assistant coaches got. Sitake was offered $800K to stay at Utah, you have to imagine that his salary here is somewhere in that neighborhood. Banker was paid just over $500K. So assume that across the board, assistant coaches are paid roughly $500K more than the previous staff combined. So that's $1.5M more per year OSU is paying out....exactly the same amout they would have paid Riley per year had they fired him. And that doesn't factor in the $3M buyout for bringing Andersen on board. Athletic Directors have two things at their disposal when trying to convince coaches to come or stay at their university - length of contract and $$$. BDC decided to push job security (he did this over and over - Riley, Jay John, Craig Robinson, LaVonda Wagner, Scott Rueck.) Sometimes it worked, other times it didn't. But his logic was sound in my book - OSU had relatively stagnant income from donations, and the new TV money had to be used to pay for much needed infrastructure improvements, buying out of old media deals, and paying back the University. Simply put, he didn't have the $$$ to offer short term contracts. So no, there's no way Riley leaving saved us money. Only way that would've happened is if we had gone out and hired a sub-par coach - a coordinator with no head coaching experience or a lower level coach that had never proved it at the Power 5 conference level. Saving money is a recipe for circling the toilet drain at the top level of CFB these days. Ante up or leave the table. Dr. Ray has put up the ante and people are acting like he should fold before all the cards are dealt. As you correctly point out the only way to save money is to cheap out on the replacement coach and staff. I was an ardent supporter of Riley up until the last 1.5 years he was there. It was time for him to go and he did us a huge favor by allowing the cost avoidance that came with not having to buy him out. People nattering about GA at this early point are premature. They're free to express their grave concerns, hallucinate red flags, and generally over-react to the dynamic tension that comes with a management transition. The same people would fold early on every hand without making the person taking the pot even show their cards. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 9, 2015 13:04:49 GMT -8
Awww. its adorable you want to spend so much effort trashing a coach that at least has won some conference games... The quality of a coach is measured in many ways. Yes wins and losses are very important. So is character, his representation of the school and his graduation rate among other things. Coaches are also products of their resources. It is no small secret that BDC and Prez Ray ceased to increase support in football in 2009. After raising reser, there were no substantive improvements for football whatsoever. Everything that came after was sports-wide improvement. BDC, the forever bean counter, used 2006-2009 success to fund other sports and left football to start falling behind more and more each year. BDC was okay with 8 wins and a bowl every year and assumed with steady state funding and no facility improvements, and 10th out of 12th recruiting budget that Riley would keep bringing in 8 wins. Oregon State got less and less sexy every year as everybody from Cal to Stanford to WSU launched major upgrades, dumped major cash and put purposeful effort into the football team. I think it was time for Riley to move on. The mojo was lost. and it at least gave Ray and BDC the kick in the ball sacks they needed to focus on football again, go after some donors, pay big-boy cash to a coach and assistants and then launch an facilities upgrade. But anybody that wants to spend time trashing on a guy like Riley, that by all measures is an upstanding human being that did many good things at OSU is a sad sack. really. So sorry his great crime in life is struggle down the stretch with wins... it must of been a tremendous blow to your fragile ego. lol, this isn't beaverfootball.com dude A coach that has won conference games, well hell we should give Gary at least 12 years before we can compare him as even or worse than Riley There's plenty of nice guy coaches out there who haven't won squat, Riley is in that group. Let's just put all of those Sun Bowl trophies up on the pedestal, yee haw! The future is much brighter at OSU than it is at Nebraska, even with their win over Meat-chicken State. if you somehow think that BF.com was some bastion of Riley lovers you are sorely mistaken. But after reading a lot of your posts, you seem to be sorely mistaken about just about everything in life. I am not ready to sell GA up the river but no rational human being could pretend to say our future is more bright than Nebraska... We have two 4* safety prospects, and a pretty good WR and decent QB prospect. that is nice. But Riley has 4 4* players in his incoming class. Most importantly two of them are OL prospects the #2 guard and the #19 guard in the nation. a 4* QB prospect, a 6'4" 230 CLASSIC pocket passing stud that is the #16 ranked QB in the nation. Mason Moran is the #69 ranked QB in comparison. Riley has pulled in 4 top 300 players and GA has 2. Riley is sitting on the #28 ranked class in the nation with an average star of 3.19 and GA is sitting on the #54 with an average of 2.69... which despite pulling in two 4 stars is actually really no better than Riley ever did here at OSU. I have seen nothing in this dumpster fire of a year that gives me an abundance of hope. If your metric for one coach is wins and championships, then it needs to be the same metric for the next coach. In year one, Andersen is very likely to have a worse record than year one of Riley in 1997. and if you think the talent on THIS team is worse than the talent on the 1997 team then I gotta some beach front property in Lincoln, Nebraska to sell you. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Nov 9, 2015 13:17:59 GMT -8
In year one, Riley had wins over North Texas, San Jose State and Utah State. Trade Michigan for a MWC or Sun Belt opponent, and its even. Otherwise, then and now there were some good young players on the roster - the most glaring problem was there weren't enough good older players. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 9, 2015 13:42:55 GMT -8
In year one, Riley had wins over North Texas, San Jose State and Utah State. Trade Michigan for a MWC or Sun Belt opponent, and its even. Otherwise, then and now there were some good young players on the roster - the most glaring problem was there weren't enough good older players. And we struggled to move the ball against Weber St.. and I am not going to lie, it looks like we got "lucky" SJSU's starting QB got hurt... not sure OSU beats ANY upper half team from ANY non-P5 conference. Anybody think we could beat PSU this year? I sure don't. The big problem I have with this is I don't think our talent is that bad. I really don't. I am not saying we have studs left and right, but we have better than 0-fer talent on this team. Maybe not, our QB situation is frightening right now. |
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Nov 9, 2015 13:56:38 GMT -8
In year one, Riley had wins over North Texas, San Jose State and Utah State. Trade Michigan for a MWC or Sun Belt opponent, and its even. Otherwise, then and now there were some good young players on the roster - the most glaring problem was there weren't enough good older players. And we struggled to move the ball against Weber St.. and I am not going to lie, it looks like we got "lucky" SJSU's starting QB got hurt... not sure OSU beats ANY upper half team from ANY non-P5 conference. Anybody think we could beat PSU this year? I sure don't. The big problem I have with this is I don't think our talent is that bad. I really don't. I am not saying we have studs left and right, but we have better than 0-fer talent on this team. Maybe not, our QB situation is frightening right now. I agree, I think we have enough talent or more talent than our record indicates. My take is that inconsistency in the 11 guys on the field has been huge. little more consistency maybe a little better execution. We haven't had the same guys on the field from game to game or quarter to quarter or play to play, whether it's injuries or coaches trying to find a magic combination or coaches sending a message. It feels like it's been open auditions at safety and OLB, any warm body at CB, TE and RB. And no reason to beat the dead horse that is our QB situation. Porebski has been a real iron man though. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 9, 2015 16:05:48 GMT -8
Is OSU saving money compared to having to fire him? Had OSU fired him after last season, Nebraska still would've come calling. Had OSU fired him after this season, someone else would've come calling, and probably paid him as much or more than what was owed him, thereby letting OSU off the hook again. The amount paid for the new staff ate up any proposed savings you seem to think are there. Only way this was going to pencil out as a savings was to hire the lowest paid coach in the conference. So yes, had OSU hired a budget coach, they'd be saving money. But they didn't. They increased expenses by as much or more than those savings. It's like saying that trading in your old iPhone for $100 saved you $100 of a $600 iPhone. You're still out $500 that you could've kept in your pocket and still had a phone that worked reasonably well, only wasn't quite as shiny and didn't take moving pictures, which last time I checked were called videos. Yes, and if OSU let him go and gave him a settlement (whatever that figure is), the Nebraska job wouldn't have had any financial repercussions for Riley because he would have double dipped. Riley leaving OSU took that 5-6 years off the books and allowed OSU to spend that money NOW instead of later. Please tell me you didn't get a business degree. And "reasonably" well, I think your definition of that phrase is much different than mine. You are assuming Riley somehow didn't have a clause in his contract that absolved OSU of replacement wages at his new job. Riley could only double dip if he were to be paid less than he was making at OSU. No major school is that cheap. If he had been fired OSU would pay him monthly just as they did with our last basketball coach. Riley would have had a job for a higher wage at another school in nothing flat and OSU'S contractual obligation would have been gone. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 9, 2015 20:28:08 GMT -8
In year one, Riley had wins over North Texas, San Jose State and Utah State. Trade Michigan for a MWC or Sun Belt opponent, and its even. Otherwise, then and now there were some good young players on the roster - the most glaring problem was there weren't enough good older players. Quit blowing any logic into this thread. The beaverfootball.com guy can't stand that. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 9, 2015 20:29:25 GMT -8
Yes, and if OSU let him go and gave him a settlement (whatever that figure is), the Nebraska job wouldn't have had any financial repercussions for Riley because he would have double dipped. Riley leaving OSU took that 5-6 years off the books and allowed OSU to spend that money NOW instead of later. Please tell me you didn't get a business degree. And "reasonably" well, I think your definition of that phrase is much different than mine. You are assuming Riley somehow didn't have a clause in his contract that absolved OSU of replacement wages at his new job. Riley could only double dip if he were to be paid less than he was making at OSU. No major school is that cheap. If he had been fired OSU would pay him monthly just as they did with our last basketball coach. Riley would have had a job for a higher wage at another school in nothing flat and OSU'S contractual obligation would have been gone. Considering how low his buyout was, how this was a lifetime contract, how DeCarolis pretty much wrote that contract...you think Riley had any clause in there about replacement wages? Please...any other coach at OSU and I'd agree with you, but I would highly doubt DeCarolis had that clause in Riley's contract considering the length, conditions on OSU's end, and the really super duper low buyout that was never put back up to $1 million when Riley returned. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 9, 2015 20:34:17 GMT -8
lol, this isn't beaverfootball.com dude A coach that has won conference games, well hell we should give Gary at least 12 years before we can compare him as even or worse than Riley There's plenty of nice guy coaches out there who haven't won squat, Riley is in that group. Let's just put all of those Sun Bowl trophies up on the pedestal, yee haw! The future is much brighter at OSU than it is at Nebraska, even with their win over Meat-chicken State. if you somehow think that BF.com was some bastion of Riley lovers you are sorely mistaken. But after reading a lot of your posts, you seem to be sorely mistaken about just about everything in life. I am not ready to sell GA up the river but no rational human being could pretend to say our future is more bright than Nebraska... We have two 4* safety prospects, and a pretty good WR and decent QB prospect. that is nice. But Riley has 4 4* players in his incoming class. Most importantly two of them are OL prospects the #2 guard and the #19 guard in the nation. a 4* QB prospect, a 6'4" 230 CLASSIC pocket passing stud that is the #16 ranked QB in the nation. Mason Moran is the #69 ranked QB in comparison. Riley has pulled in 4 top 300 players and GA has 2. Riley is sitting on the #28 ranked class in the nation with an average star of 3.19 and GA is sitting on the #54 with an average of 2.69... which despite pulling in two 4 stars is actually really no better than Riley ever did here at OSU. I have seen nothing in this dumpster fire of a year that gives me an abundance of hope. If your metric for one coach is wins and championships, then it needs to be the same metric for the next coach. In year one, Andersen is very likely to have a worse record than year one of Riley in 1997. and if you think the talent on THIS team is worse than the talent on the 1997 team then I gotta some beach front property in Lincoln, Nebraska to sell you. BF.com had nothing to do with being Riley lovers or haters...some day you'll figure it out (hint, don't use scout numbers for your thesis) There was quite a bit of talent on that 97 team, and there are some very glaring holes on this Beavers team even if the talent level is greater. |
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