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Post by 93beav on May 31, 2023 19:09:48 GMT -8
Wow, hit a nerve somewhere? You have kids going to Vandy? I would think, but cannot speak for beaverbeliever, what he meant is just that you usually don't see people adding second decks just to add 300. It wouldn't seem, from a common sense perspective, to pay out, unless those are incredibly expensive seats. You're talking a major structural addition and the requirements around said addition (not to mention entry and exit points) for 300 seats. So this might be the record holder for most benign disagreement to elicit a "are you related?" response. Good job, everyone! I do what I can. Thank you, oh Internet record keeper. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on May 31, 2023 20:08:56 GMT -8
Given their astronomical TV rights fees, an AD would have to be an absolute moron to run a deficit at an SEC school. So "not running in the red" is about as low as one can go in praising an SEC AD. What they do with their money is their business. But just because it's Vandy, don't assume they're all brilliant. Stanford's a great school too and it still produced Herbert Hoover, the Voodoo Economics guy and the child-abusing placekicker. And some might see spending about $160 million on a new grandstand, a student health center and a welcome center for admissions is a smart expenditure, especially seeing as how it was going to cost us about half that much in the near future just to retrofit the old grandstand to make it seismically safe. What the hell, Herbert Hoover? Why did he just get thrown under the bus? The man was raised in Oregon, and he was an engineer, not another worthless lawyer politician. I didn’t think Jimmy Carter was the best president, but I wouldn’t throw him under the casual bus just to bang on Georgia. |
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Post by ag87 on May 31, 2023 20:50:18 GMT -8
Given their astronomical TV rights fees, an AD would have to be an absolute moron to run a deficit at an SEC school. So "not running in the red" is about as low as one can go in praising an SEC AD. What they do with their money is their business. But just because it's Vandy, don't assume they're all brilliant. Stanford's a great school too and it still produced Herbert Hoover, the Voodoo Economics guy and the child-abusing placekicker. And some might see spending about $160 million on a new grandstand, a student health center and a welcome center for admissions is a smart expenditure, especially seeing as how it was going to cost us about half that much in the near future just to retrofit the old grandstand to make it seismically safe. What the hell, Herbert Hoover? Why did he just get thrown under the bus? The man was raised in Oregon, and he was an engineer, not another worthless lawyer politician. I didn’t think Jimmy Carter was the best president, but I wouldn’t throw him under the casual bus just to bang on Georgia. Hoover was an engineer? I didnt know that. I think Carter was a nuclear engineer. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 31, 2023 21:40:20 GMT -8
Given their astronomical TV rights fees, an AD would have to be an absolute moron to run a deficit at an SEC school. So "not running in the red" is about as low as one can go in praising an SEC AD. What they do with their money is their business. But just because it's Vandy, don't assume they're all brilliant. Stanford's a great school too and it still produced Herbert Hoover, the Voodoo Economics guy and the child-abusing placekicker. And some might see spending about $160 million on a new grandstand, a student health center and a welcome center for admissions is a smart expenditure, especially seeing as how it was going to cost us about half that much in the near future just to retrofit the old grandstand to make it seismically safe. What the hell, Herbert Hoover? Why did he just get thrown under the bus? The man was raised in Oregon, and he was an engineer, not another worthless lawyer politician. I didn’t think Jimmy Carter was the best president, but I wouldn’t throw him under the casual bus just to bang on Georgia. After Herbert Hoover was orphaned, he went to live in Newberg with his uncle. He lived there from 1885 to 1891, when he was the first student at Stanford. Hoover went on to be a mining engineer. Hoover was a great humanitarian. He helped set up food relief for Belgium during World War I and then did the same thing for Belgium, Finland, and Poland, during World War II. However, he was a terrible President. He failed to appreciate the severity of the Great Depression and took actions that exacerbated the predicament that the world was in. As is often the case, he was a great guy but a terrible President. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 31, 2023 21:46:51 GMT -8
What the hell, Herbert Hoover? Why did he just get thrown under the bus? The man was raised in Oregon, and he was an engineer, not another worthless lawyer politician. I didn’t think Jimmy Carter was the best president, but I wouldn’t throw him under the casual bus just to bang on Georgia. Hoover was an engineer? I didnt know that. I think Carter was a nuclear engineer. Carter received some training in nuclear engineering and taught others nuclear engineering but he never got a degree and never used his training other than in politics. Carter was a farmer. Having said all of that, Carter received the Hoover Medal for being an engineer that "contributed to global causes." Great person, terrible President. |
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Post by chinmusic on May 31, 2023 23:16:11 GMT -8
I would never assume they are all brilliant, but I will assume they are smart enough to navigate Vanderbilt's admission office/requirements. Remember they are a private institution and their mission is not to educate the youth of the state.
I think you can safely assume the athletes at Duke, Vandy, Notre Dame and Northwestern are not necessarily brilliant, but smart.
Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech and the Ivys are on a different level.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jun 1, 2023 0:54:28 GMT -8
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jun 1, 2023 3:48:57 GMT -8
What the hell, Herbert Hoover? Why did he just get thrown under the bus? The man was raised in Oregon, and he was an engineer, not another worthless lawyer politician. I didn’t think Jimmy Carter was the best president, but I wouldn’t throw him under the casual bus just to bang on Georgia. After Herbert Hoover was orphaned, he went to live in Newberg with his uncle. He lived there from 1885 to 1891, when he was the first student at Stanford. Hoover went on to be a mining engineer. Hoover was a great humanitarian. He helped set up food relief for Belgium during World War I and then did the same thing for Belgium, Finland, and Poland, during World War II. However, he was a terrible President. He failed to appreciate the severity of the Great Depression and took actions that exacerbated the predicament that the world was in. As is often the case, he was a great guy but a terrible President. The Fed did the damage with a tight money policy when the banks needed cash and lots of it, Hoover just got the blame. The fed learned its lesson well, hence the money shoveling (err, quantitative easing) during the feared depression’s of 2008 and 2020. You can pick apart this policy or that policy from Hoover or Roosevelt, but the truth is they were just swept along in the currents of the feds tight money policy. The good news is much about economics was learned from the disaster, and the fed has managed to avoid a repeat in the last 90 years. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 1, 2023 6:30:47 GMT -8
Wow, hit a nerve somewhere? You have kids going to Vandy? I would think, but cannot speak for beaverbeliever, what he meant is just that you usually don't see people adding second decks just to add 300. It wouldn't seem, from a common sense perspective, to pay out, unless those are incredibly expensive seats. You're talking a major structural addition and the requirements around said addition (not to mention entry and exit points) for 300 seats. No nerve... just commenting about an issue the OP had no knowledge of yet was making a judgement on their spending, "What's insane is adding a second deck to add 300 seats? SEC and Vanderbilt money gets spent, just not well...." He was not nearly as diplomatic as you with how you wanted to interpret it, "... just that you usually don't see people adding second decks just to add 300". Just maybe the way the stadium was built, the addition being added is not a huge engineering/cost prohibitive. Maybe it's a pretty good bang for the buck?? Maybe it is a cool addition that fit the budget allocated. Like a fancy restaurant for big boosters for less than 3% of the fans attending?? Point being, he had no clue about any specifics, let alone judging how SEC teams spend there allotted $$. And, I'm sure some think $160 mil(or whatever the actual cost ends up) is a crazy/insane amount to spend on 2/5's, 3/7's (?) of a football stadium to reduce seats, that is never regularly sold out. Nah, you're just being obtuse because you were (hopefully) having a bad day. That's cool. It's a horrible misuse of dollars and there's no way that 300 college baseball seats are paying that money back in ROI - they (by virtue of SEC dollars and being Vanderbilt) just have the money and no issues with spending it. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 1, 2023 7:20:08 GMT -8
What the hell, Herbert Hoover? Why did he just get thrown under the bus? The man was raised in Oregon, and he was an engineer, not another worthless lawyer politician. I didn’t think Jimmy Carter was the best president, but I wouldn’t throw him under the casual bus just to bang on Georgia. Hoover was an engineer? I didnt know that. I think Carter was a nuclear engineer. By modern standards no he was not. He Got a general bachelor of science degree from the Navy and did some graduate level classes at Union College with a focus on Nuclear Physics. You have to realize he graduated the naval academy in 1946 when nuclear engineering did not exist. He worked in conventional subs and was picked as an engineering officer by Rickover on one of the seawolf fast attack nuclear subs. So in a sense he was a nuclear engineer but not like someone with those credentials would claim today. The nomenclature, degree paths, and field didn't even really exist. Many people claimed he was a liar for using the title in his campaigning but he most definitely was not. He was on the leading edge of operating and developing the operation of the technology. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 1, 2023 9:14:49 GMT -8
I swear some of y'all could argue about the sky being blue
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jun 1, 2023 10:00:08 GMT -8
I swear some of y'all could argue about the sky being blue Well a good arguement can be made as to whether the sky is blue or pink on Mars. |
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Post by beaver1989 on Jun 1, 2023 11:07:33 GMT -8
I swear some of y'all could argue about the sky being blue We like to talk about everything but our upcoming game against Sam Houston. You know the important stuff. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jun 1, 2023 11:09:27 GMT -8
No nerve... just commenting about an issue the OP had no knowledge of yet was making a judgement on their spending, "What's insane is adding a second deck to add 300 seats? SEC and Vanderbilt money gets spent, just not well...." He was not nearly as diplomatic as you with how you wanted to interpret it, "... just that you usually don't see people adding second decks just to add 300". Just maybe the way the stadium was built, the addition being added is not a huge engineering/cost prohibitive. Maybe it's a pretty good bang for the buck?? Maybe it is a cool addition that fit the budget allocated. Like a fancy restaurant for big boosters for less than 3% of the fans attending?? Point being, he had no clue about any specifics, let alone judging how SEC teams spend there allotted $$. And, I'm sure some think $160 mil(or whatever the actual cost ends up) is a crazy/insane amount to spend on 2/5's, 3/7's (?) of a football stadium to reduce seats, that is never regularly sold out. Nah, you're just being obtuse because you were (hopefully) having a bad day. That's cool. It's a horrible misuse of dollars and there's no way that 300 college baseball seats are paying that money back in ROI - they (by virtue of SEC dollars and being Vanderbilt) just have the money and no issues with spending it. Yeah... fits. Make a ignorant judgment about a situation you know nothing about and then follow with a similarly ridiculous judgment about the person calling you out. And, maybe learn the correct usage of "obtuse". If anyone fits that adjective of "annoyingly insensitive... or slow to understand" would be you and your post about Vandy's finances and what's "horrible" in what/how they chose to spend their available dollars. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 1, 2023 12:29:25 GMT -8
I swear some of y'all could argue about the sky being blue We like to talk about everything but our upcoming game against Sam Houston. You know the important stuff. The people on this board are smart enough to converse on two different subjects at the same time. |
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