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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 26, 2023 6:54:53 GMT -8
If you have followed NCAA baseball for any number of years, it's been shown these conference tournaments have very little impact on seedings and who hosts a regional.
The only impact is if some complete outlier wins the tournament and gets a bid it did not deserve through its regular-season performance. And usually this happens in the one-bid conferences, so the impact is minimal.
And yes, Stanford did throw the back end of its staff almost the entire tournament. Matthews, Dixon and Dowd did not pitch a single inning. Uber was making his third start of the season.
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Post by badwack on May 26, 2023 7:32:45 GMT -8
Everything is now speculation. On TV last night they were hyping the Ducks as possible hosts if they can win the PAC Tournament.
Ducks did come back with good rally in 8th. If they manage to Host there are going to be a few pissed off Beavers!
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Post by bennysdentist on May 26, 2023 7:39:19 GMT -8
A meaningless tournament in a stupid location with a crazy format. Yep, that sounds like the PAC-12.
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Post by beavaristotle on May 26, 2023 8:20:35 GMT -8
A meaningless tournament in a stupid location with a crazy format. Yep, that sounds like the PAC-12. thank you Larry Scott ! |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 26, 2023 8:21:56 GMT -8
Everything is now speculation. On TV last night they were hyping the Ducks as possible hosts if they can win the PAC Tournament. Ducks did come back with good rally in 8th. If they manage to Host there are going to be a few pissed off Beavers! That's insane! The "quacks hosting" ship sailed weeks ago. They are projected as a 3 seed currently. If they win the tourney it should make them a 2 seed maybe. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 26, 2023 8:48:21 GMT -8
A meaningless tournament in a stupid location with a crazy format. Yep, that sounds like the PAC-12. thank you Larry Scott ! The coaches pushed for this, I believe. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 26, 2023 8:58:47 GMT -8
The coaches pushed for this, I believe. PC was the leading proponent and one of the most respected voices of having the tournament. That said, I'm not sure he'd have liked the location and setup, as that was probably left to all the baseball experts in San Fran to plan!? |
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Post by dluehosh1 on May 26, 2023 10:42:11 GMT -8
Everything is now speculation. On TV last night they were hyping the Ducks as possible hosts if they can win the PAC Tournament. Ducks did come back with good rally in 8th. If they manage to Host there are going to be a few pissed off Beavers! That's insane! The "quacks hosting" ship sailed weeks ago. They are projected as a 3 seed currently. If they win the tourney it should make them a 2 seed maybe. It’s too late. The arms are tired and this tourney like all baseball league tourneys, IMO, are terrible for baseball do to the importance of pitchers. |
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Post by beavaristotle on May 26, 2023 11:17:22 GMT -8
The coaches pushed for this, I believe. ya, the captain of the titanic asked for more ice too |
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Post by rgeorge on May 26, 2023 11:29:28 GMT -8
That's insane! The "quacks hosting" ship sailed weeks ago. They are projected as a 3 seed currently. If they win the tourney it should make them a 2 seed maybe. It’s too late. The arms are tired and this tourney like all baseball league tourneys, IMO, are terrible for baseball do to the importance of pitchers. You are complaining about the wrong thing. First, it is the staff's job to teach, develop, and condition/protect a pitching staff... just as with the rest of the team. Playing in heat isn't the best, but 2, 3, 4 extra games are not the issue. Folks really think that if this week would have been the regional the same excuse? So, what no Regionals cuz they will waste a team for the Super? the Pac12 tourney is a known fact. Each team treats as they choose. Some need to win to get in the NCAA postseason. Some need to win to host. Some need to just show up. The work that most of the staff got this week would have been near or close to the same as their off day workouts. Except they faced live, hostile bats! The OSU staff chose to save/rest Sellers and Kmatz. But, the rest of the staff failed utterly. Tired is not an excuse. EVERY team plays nearly the same # of games (or can choose not to). And, if you look at the total innings pitched from the guys this week, most probably pitched more than that in a 26-30 game HS season. Second, a 56 game season is a long season and many teams will develop more than (3) weekend starters for at least spot starts on top of weekday starts... just in case. OSU had some injury, suspension issues early, but it was on the coaching staff to adjust and develop. But teams going into the post season and expecting to continue, better be prepped for 65+ games. In the past NCAA tourney teams have exceeded 70. In the "old" days teams reached 80. The best team I ever saw in person was the 2003, Roger Clemens, Calvin Schiraldi lead Texas team ended 66-14. Wichita State in the early 70's won 73 games. But, really OSU's staff should be in good shape. The starters have not pitched an excessive # of innings. Which in and of itself is troubling that they need some extra rest: Kmatz 72.2 Sellers 66.2 Lattery 44.0 Hunter 32.2 In 2022: counts post season Cooper 103.1 Kmatz 77.1 Hunter 56.2 Pfennigs 36.1 (11 limited starts) In 2021: Abel 82.0 Cooper 77.0 Frisch 56.2 In 2019: Fehmel 99.1 Gambrell 70.0 Eisert 62.0 |
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Post by hottubbeaver on May 26, 2023 12:10:29 GMT -8
You make some great points. Improvements need to be made and the opportunity to do so is still on the table before it's all over. I would be curious to know/see, if their has been any trend (up or down) across ncaa in offensive production? With transfer portal allowing experienced players who excel at a D-II or III school the opportunity to jump to a D-1 program, coupled with the amount of hitting instruction and experience an 18 year old of today has received versus 20 years ago it would not surprise me if offensive numbers overall are up. I also think the balls used today compared to 10 years ago are different, seems were lowered can't recall when, that seemingly (pun intended) small change can result in a significant impact on certain type of pitches effectiveness and favors offense over pitching. NCAA changed the baseballs to "flat-seem" after the 2014 season. As a result HR's steadily increased in 2015 and beyond. www.samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2018/Have-Flat-Seam-Baseballs-Changed-College-BaseballThe change clearly favored offensive output and power hitting, with reward over risk for elevated swing trajectory adjustments. How about ERA across the Pac 12? 2013 (conf. rank, team, era) 1st OSU 2.28 conf. avrg. 3.66 2014 (conf. rank, team, era) 1st OSU 2.29 conf. avrg. 3.61 Flat-Seem baseball begins 2015 (conf. rank, team, era) 3rd OSU 3.02 conf. avrg. 3.56 2016 (conf. rank, team, era) 4th OSU 3.53 conf. avrg. 4.01 2017 (conf. rank, team, era) 1st OSU 1.93 conf. avrg. 4.20 2018 (conf. rank, team, era) 3rd OSU 3.27 conf. avrg. 4.28 2019 (conf. rank, team, era) 2nd OSU 3.02 conf. avrg. 4.73 2020 Conference stats not accessible, covid 2021 (conf. rank, team, era) 1st OSU 3.48 conf. avrg. 4.58 2022 (conf. rank, team, era) 2nd OSU 4.19 conf. avrg. 5.00 2023 (conf. rank, team, era) 3rd OSU 4.65 conf. avrg. 5.43 2017 looks like an outlier at first, but was due to an elite and dominating front line. Heimlich .76 ERA, Thompsons 1.96 and Fehmel 3.87 It looks like the game has changed since the flat-seem balls were instituted. That doesn't mean a stingy run allowance can't be produced still. It can be done and should remain a trademark approach of OSU baseball. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 26, 2023 12:10:32 GMT -8
It’s too late. The arms are tired and this tourney like all baseball league tourneys, IMO, are terrible for baseball do to the importance of pitchers. You are complaining about the wrong thing. First, it is the staff's job to teach, develop, and condition/protect a pitching staff... just as with the rest of the team. Playing in heat isn't the best, but 2, 3, 4 extra games are not the issue. Folks really think that if this week would have been the regional the same excuse? So, what no Regionals cuz they will waste a team for the Super? the Pac12 tourney is a known fact. Each team treats as they choose. Some need to win to get in the NCAA postseason. Some need to win to host. Some need to just show up. The work that most of the staff got this week would have been near or close to the same as their off day workouts. Except they faced live, hostile bats! The OSU staff chose to save/rest Sellers and Kmatz. But, the rest of the staff failed utterly. Tired is not an excuse. EVERY team plays nearly the same # of games (or can choose not to). And, if you look at the total innings pitched from the guys this week, most probably pitched more than that in a 26-30 game HS season. Second, a 56 game season is a long season and many teams will develop more than (3) weekend starters for at least spot starts on top of weekday starts... just in case. OSU had some injury, suspension issues early, but it was on the coaching staff to adjust and develop. But teams going into the post season and expecting to continue, better be prepped for 65+ games. In the past NCAA tourney teams have exceeded 70. In the "old" days teams reached 80. The best team I ever saw in person was the 2003, Roger Clemens, Calvin Schiraldi lead Texas team ended 66-14. Wichita State in the early 70's won 73 games. But, really OSU's staff should be in good shape. The starters have not pitched an excessive # of innings. Which in and of itself is troubling that they need some extra rest: Kmatz 72.2 Sellers 66.2 Lattery 44.0 Hunter 32.2 In 2022: counts post season Cooper 103.1 Kmatz 77.1 Hunter 56.2 Pfennigs 36.1 (11 limited starts) In 2021: Abel 82.0 Cooper 77.0 Frisch 56.2 In 2019: Fehmel 99.1 Gambrell 70.0 Eisert 62.0 Great stuff. The 1983 Texas Longhorns baseball team. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 26, 2023 12:13:55 GMT -8
You are complaining about the wrong thing. First, it is the staff's job to teach, develop, and condition/protect a pitching staff... just as with the rest of the team. Playing in heat isn't the best, but 2, 3, 4 extra games are not the issue. Folks really think that if this week would have been the regional the same excuse? So, what no Regionals cuz they will waste a team for the Super? the Pac12 tourney is a known fact. Each team treats as they choose. Some need to win to get in the NCAA postseason. Some need to win to host. Some need to just show up. The work that most of the staff got this week would have been near or close to the same as their off day workouts. Except they faced live, hostile bats! The OSU staff chose to save/rest Sellers and Kmatz. But, the rest of the staff failed utterly. Tired is not an excuse. EVERY team plays nearly the same # of games (or can choose not to). And, if you look at the total innings pitched from the guys this week, most probably pitched more than that in a 26-30 game HS season. Second, a 56 game season is a long season and many teams will develop more than (3) weekend starters for at least spot starts on top of weekday starts... just in case. OSU had some injury, suspension issues early, but it was on the coaching staff to adjust and develop. But teams going into the post season and expecting to continue, better be prepped for 65+ games. In the past NCAA tourney teams have exceeded 70. In the "old" days teams reached 80. The best team I ever saw in person was the 2003, Roger Clemens, Calvin Schiraldi lead Texas team ended 66-14. Wichita State in the early 70's won 73 games. But, really OSU's staff should be in good shape. The starters have not pitched an excessive # of innings. Which in and of itself is troubling that they need some extra rest: Kmatz 72.2 Sellers 66.2 Lattery 44.0 Hunter 32.2 In 2022: counts post season Cooper 103.1 Kmatz 77.1 Hunter 56.2 Pfennigs 36.1 (11 limited starts) In 2021: Abel 82.0 Cooper 77.0 Frisch 56.2 In 2019: Fehmel 99.1 Gambrell 70.0 Eisert 62.0 Great stuff. The 1983 Texas Longhorns baseball team. The days where 110-140 IP was pretty common place and TJs seems far less prevalent?! |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 26, 2023 12:30:47 GMT -8
Great stuff. The 1983 Texas Longhorns baseball team. The days where 110-140 IP was pretty common place and TJs seems far less prevalent?! Speed kills. Faster heaters = more stress faster. Someone can explain the physics to us better than me, but an increase in acceleration to create the extra velocity must cause exponential stress on a young man's arm. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 26, 2023 12:47:07 GMT -8
The days where 110-140 IP was pretty common place and TJs seems far less prevalent?! Speed kills. Faster heaters = more stress faster. Someone can explain the physics to us better than me, but an increase in acceleration to create the extra velocity must cause exponential stress on a young man's arm. It is really amazing working with older pitchers how many do not develop more quality pitches. Part of OSU's staff issue is that most have only two pitches that they can consistently throw for strikes in any count. They have multiple pitches, but they lack mastery that should have been developed long before Dorman saw them. Being able to pitch "backwards" is a key to being successful. As well as being able to change elevations and sides of the plate with multiple pitches. The more and more I'm around young pitchers, and watch college guys it's all about the "power" game. They are not truly "pitchers", and bats will find the ball if you can't vary speeds and locate better than I see these days. As frustrating as it can be to watch, it is not just an OSU issue. |
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