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Post by Werebeaver on May 21, 2023 16:26:27 GMT -8
I was thinking the other day when the Beavs "batted-around" in the lineup, what is the fewest amount of runs that a team could score in an inning where all 9 lineup positions batted, and the leadoff hitter/batting position came up again.
The way I figured it was 4.
10 at bats - 3 outs = 7.
7 - 3 left on base = 4 players who either didn't make an out or weren't left on-base. So they must have scored.
If there is a way you could "bat-around" and score less than 4 runs, I'd like to know how.
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Post by cake on May 21, 2023 17:42:12 GMT -8
I don't see how it can't be 4.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 21, 2023 18:20:24 GMT -8
4.
4 AB to score AB1.
AB5 scores AB2
AB6 scores AB3
AB7 scores AB4
AB8-AB10 SO. AB5-AB7 LOB.
Can't think of any obscura that would allow more than 4 base runners at a time.
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Post by beaver55to7 on May 21, 2023 20:10:57 GMT -8
I say 3. You have batted around after the first pitch to the 10th batter, if a runner is picked off before the second pitch you have still batted around and only scored 3 runs. 10 batters sent to the plate, 3 runs scored. Many people consider 9 batters coming to the plate as ‘batting around’, in that case 2 runs.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 21, 2023 21:25:35 GMT -8
I say 3. You have batted around after the first pitch to the 10th batter, if a runner is picked off before the second pitch you have still batted around and only scored 3 runs. 10 batters sent to the plate, 3 runs scored. Many people consider 9 batters coming to the plate as ‘batting around’, in that case 2 runs. I wanted you to be right, but I did the math in my head. The issue is that simply having the 10th batter come to the plate results in at least four runs scoring. And at three runs would score, if the ninth batter came to the plate. There might be an insane scenario, but, in normal baseball, it cannot be done. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on May 22, 2023 14:46:53 GMT -8
I say 3. You have batted around after the first pitch to the 10th batter, if a runner is picked off before the second pitch you have still batted around and only scored 3 runs. 10 batters sent to the plate, 3 runs scored. Many people consider 9 batters coming to the plate as ‘batting around’, in that case 2 runs. I wanted you to be right, but I did the math in my head. The issue is that simply having the 10th batter come to the plate results in at least four runs scoring. And at three runs would score, if the ninth batter came to the plate. There might be an insane scenario, but, in normal baseball, it cannot be done. OK, ok ok, how about this. The 10th batter name is announced by the pa, he steps into the box, the pitcher steps on the mound, steps off and appeals that the last runner missed home plate, umpire calls that runner out. 10 batters announced, 3 runs scored. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 22, 2023 14:55:53 GMT -8
I wanted you to be right, but I did the math in my head. The issue is that simply having the 10th batter come to the plate results in at least four runs scoring. And at three runs would score, if the ninth batter came to the plate. There might be an insane scenario, but, in normal baseball, it cannot be done. OK, ok ok, how about this. The 10th batter name is announced by the pa, he steps into the box, the pitcher steps on the mound, steps off and appeals that the last runner missed home plate, umpire calls that runner out. 10 batters announced, 3 runs scored. If you don't see a pitch on an appeal play that ends an inning, you didn't have a plate appearance. If a runner is thrown out stealing or picked off while you are at bat to end an inning, it is not a plate appearance. In all three instances, you would lead off the next inning. A result must be obtained to qualify for a plate appearance. "Batting around" is universally considered to mean every batter has plate appearance. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on May 22, 2023 15:16:35 GMT -8
OK, ok ok, how about this. The 10th batter name is announced by the pa, he steps into the box, the pitcher steps on the mound, steps off and appeals that the last runner missed home plate, umpire calls that runner out. 10 batters announced, 3 runs scored. If you don't see a pitch on an appeal play that ends an inning, you didn't have a plate appearance. If a runner is thrown out stealing or picked off while you are at bat to end an inning, it is not a plate appearance. In all three instances, you would lead off the next inning. A result must be obtained to qualify for a plate appearance. "Batting around" is universally considered to mean every batter has plate appearance. Question is, what is universally accepted as "every" batter in determining batting around? 1-9, or 1-1 Here's one definition:: According to The Dickson Baseball Dictionary, a team has "batted around" when each of the nine batters in the team's lineup has made a plate appearance, and the first batter is coming up again during a single inning. Looks to me that definition means only 9 PA's required to have a "batted around" the order. |
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Post by Werebeaver on May 22, 2023 18:18:49 GMT -8
If you don't see a pitch on an appeal play that ends an inning, you didn't have a plate appearance. If a runner is thrown out stealing or picked off while you are at bat to end an inning, it is not a plate appearance. In all three instances, you would lead off the next inning. A result must be obtained to qualify for a plate appearance. "Batting around" is universally considered to mean every batter has plate appearance. Question is, what is universally accepted as "every" batter in determining batting around? 1-9, or 1-1 Here's one definition:: According to The Dickson Baseball Dictionary, a team has "batted around" when each of the nine batters in the team's lineup has made a plate appearance, and the first batter is coming up again during a single inning. Looks to me that definition means only 9 PA's required to have a "batted around" the order. Generally the announcer only notes that the side has now "batted around" when the inning's leadoff heater steps to the plate for his second appearance in the inning. It would mean that the 9th batter did not record the 3rd out. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 20:14:37 GMT -8
I say 3. You have batted around after the first pitch to the 10th batter, if a runner is picked off before the second pitch you have still batted around and only scored 3 runs. 10 batters sent to the plate, 3 runs scored. Many people consider 9 batters coming to the plate as ‘batting around’, in that case 2 runs. I wanted you to be right, but I did the math in my head. The issue is that simply having the 10th batter come to the plate results in at least four runs scoring. And at three runs would score, if the ninth batter came to the plate. There might be an insane scenario, but, in normal baseball, it cannot be done. It's three. Batting around is nine batters, not ten. |
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Post by irimi on May 23, 2023 6:16:19 GMT -8
I think it’s interesting that folks disagree about the meaning of the phrase “batting around.” I’ve always taken it to mean that batter number ten is in the box, but others see it as batter number nine coming to the plate. Isn’t it interesting how imprecise English can be?
I would use the term “batting through the lineup” to describe the 9th batters appearance at the plate, and use “batting around” to indicate that the 9th batter did not make the final out and thus the lead off hitter makes a second appearance.
However, there seems to be no way to score fewer than four (or three, depending on your definition of “around”).
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Post by Werebeaver on May 23, 2023 6:32:20 GMT -8
I think it’s interesting that folks disagree about the meaning of the phrase “batting around.” I’ve always taken it to mean that batter number ten is in the box, but others see it as batter number nine coming to the plate. Isn’t it interesting how imprecise English can be? I would use the term “batting through the lineup” to describe the 9th batters appearance at the plate, and use “batting around” to indicate that the 9th batter did not make the final out and thus the lead off hitter makes a second appearance. However, there seems to be no way to score fewer than four (or three, depending on your definition of “around”). Agreed. Batting “through” the lineup = 9 batters. Batting “around” = 10+. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on May 23, 2023 10:12:11 GMT -8
I think it’s interesting that folks disagree about the meaning of the phrase “batting around.” I’ve always taken it to mean that batter number ten is in the box, but others see it as batter number nine coming to the plate. Isn’t it interesting how imprecise English can be? I would use the term “batting through the lineup” to describe the 9th batters appearance at the plate, and use “batting around” to indicate that the 9th batter did not make the final out and thus the lead off hitter makes a second appearance. However, there seems to be no way to score fewer than four (or three, depending on your definition of “around”). Beaver55to7 gave a scenario where 9th batter didn't record final out and 1st in order comes to plate again. After successful appeal play, only 3 runs end up being recorded. The definition from the baseball dictionary doesn't say anything about a 10th plate appearance, just that the 10th batter is coming up again. So to your point, that could be interpreted in different ways I suppose. A batter leaving on deck circle towards the plate could be considered as coming up again without ever actually stepping in the box. Let's say based loaded, 9th batter is walked, and for some dumb reason he makes a slight advance towards second and is tagged out, does a run score? Is the 10th batter "coming up again". I'd say yes to the coming up again part, but not sure if the run counts in that scenario or not. Maybe it depends on if tag out at first occurs before or after runner crosses home? |
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Post by irimi on May 23, 2023 10:25:08 GMT -8
I think it’s interesting that folks disagree about the meaning of the phrase “batting around.” I’ve always taken it to mean that batter number ten is in the box, but others see it as batter number nine coming to the plate. Isn’t it interesting how imprecise English can be? I would use the term “batting through the lineup” to describe the 9th batters appearance at the plate, and use “batting around” to indicate that the 9th batter did not make the final out and thus the lead off hitter makes a second appearance. However, there seems to be no way to score fewer than four (or three, depending on your definition of “around”). Beaver55to7 gave a scenario where 9th batter didn't record final out and 1st in order comes to plate again. After successful appeal play, only 3 runs end up being recorded. The definition from the baseball dictionary doesn't say anything about a 10th plate appearance, just that the 10th batter is coming up again. So to your point, that could be interpreted in different ways I suppose. A batter leaving on deck circle towards the plate could be considered as coming up again without ever actually stepping in the box. Let's say based loaded, 9th batter is walked, and for some dumb reason he makes a slight advance towards second and is tagged out, does a run score? Is the 10th batter "coming up again". I'd say yes to the coming up again part, but not sure if the run counts in that scenario or not. Maybe it depends on if tag out at first occurs before or after runner crosses home? Ok, let’s say that it’s the first inning and Dernedde (9th batter) walks. Bazz comes to the plate with bases loaded. But before Bazz can hit, Dernedde makes gaffe at first and is thrown out to retire the side. Dernedde is out #3. 2 men left in scoring position, leaves 6 players left to account for. Two were outs, so four runs scored. |
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